Proposal: Its time for Matthews to go (Mod Warning in OP)

[dubey]

Just chipping in Kopitar + Carter for Matthews. Salary adjustments can me made.

Leafs would be a serious contender for the next couple of years

Yes I would make this trade 10 years ago

McDavid for Matthews and Sandin.

I would do this I guess

 

[Space Coyote]

Yes I would make this trade 10 years ago

I would do this I guess

I don't think the Leafs would even trade one of their top 3 forwards for Doughty.

 

[dubey]

I don't think the Leafs would even trade one of their top 3 forwards for Doughty.

He's wasting away in LA. I wouldn't give up Tavares, Marner, or Matthews for him either.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

TML has 2 1C's, no 1D and a high GAA. TML would be a better team and have a legitimate shot at a cup if they had OEL instead of Mathews. To get a proven 1D, Mathews will be the cost, and TML can afford it since they still have JT. The challenge would be getting OEL to wave his NTC to go to the TML.

TML can keep Mathews, they just won't win a cup with their lack of D, and all the money tied up in forwards. Eventually they will have no choice if they want to win a cup.

I dont view that as a fair trade that makes sense for Leafs. I dont think OEL makes them closer to being a cup contender than they are with Matthews, OEL wouldn't be enough and franchise Centers don't go for guys like OEL.
I would rather trade Marner or JT and go for Pietrangelo as a UFA. JT has NMC so it's Marner then

 

[Kuznetsnow]

You can win a cup without a true 1C but not without a 1D, TML has no chance for a cup with that D. Close to straight up is a fair deal.

How does OEL help? He's as bad defensively as Rielly. 10 games in Toronto and he'd be getting run out of town.

He's a 1D in the sunbelt where none of his defensive snafus get any exposure

 

[The Man with a Plan]

Just as many as TML has with half the money, 4 owners, and a BK.

Ah the money that you speak of comes from other teams that are not hemmoraging money like a hemopleliac in a room full of razor blades

 

[Schemp]

Would love to get Mathews (the player) on the 'Yotes. But not that contract.
Dvo, Schmaltz, Keller > Mathews + 2 forwards = $3.6 Mil as an example in the salary cap era.

 

[hmc1987]

Since 2017/2018, 300+ min, Matthews is...

1st in ES goals per 60
5th in PP goals per 60

Nobody else in the league is top 5 in both. Best goal-scorer in the world.

Those stats are definitely true and I guess you could say he IS the best GOAL scorer, but he doesnt seem to make offense like the other best Goal scorers...McDavid, Draisatl, Kane, Kucherov, Pastranak, Marchand, etc. All score goals at AM pace while also putting up helpers too.

Again you canNOT argue AM is a Top 20 offensive player in the entire league (probably Top 10). Its just frustrating that his cap hit and contract length are NOT team friendly.

 

[cobra427]

How does OEL help? He's as bad defensively as Rielly. 10 games in Toronto and he'd be getting run out of town.

He's a 1D in the sunbelt where none of his defensive snafus get any exposure

Now that is funny, comparing Rielly to OEL. TML won't win a cup with that D core and GAA.

 

[cobra427]

He's wasting away in LA. I wouldn't give up Tavares, Marner, or Matthews for him either.

Thats insane, Doughty would instantly make TML a cup contender and a much better team for any one of those 3 players. LA would never do it as they have no potential replacements at 1D and they already have Kopitar.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Now that is funny, comparing Rielly to OEL. TML won't win a cup with that D core and GAA.

Because all that swimming OEL does in front of his goalie has translated to so much winning over the years.

If OEL ever left Arizona his reputation would start to mirror Jaybo's pretty quickly.

You could at least suggest the type of D Toronto actually needs, like Jones or Parayko

 

[Leaf Fans]

Those stats are definitely true and I guess you could say he IS the best GOAL scorer, but he doesnt seem to make offense like the other best Goal scorers...McDavid, Draisatl, Kane, Kucherov, Pastranak, Marchand, etc. All score goals at AM pace while also putting up helpers too.

Again you canNOT argue AM is a Top 20 offensive player in the entire league (probably Top 10). Its just frustrating that his cap hit and contract length are NOT team friendly.

You can argue that and many people do!

 

[CatchyTune]

Just chipping in Kopitar + Carter for Matthews. Salary adjustments can me made.

Leafs would be a serious contender for the next couple of years

Lol out of all the offers they would get if Matthews was shopped, this would be near, if not the worst offer on the table. You really think this makes the leafs better? Not even to mention Matthews being 22 and both of them being 32 and 34. La doesnt have the pieces in their organization for a Matthews trade, unless they can age Doughty backwards 10 years

 

[Leaf Fans]

Thats insane, Doughty would instantly make TML a cup contender and a much better team for any one of those 3 players. LA would never do it as they have no potential replacements at 1D and they already have Kopitar.

Doughty would be great in Toronto no doubt, but not giving up Matthews, Marner or Tavares for him. What are we left with? How would we make a deal? I doubt the Kings would go for Nylander plus whatever makes the cap work.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Would love to get Mathews (the player) on the 'Yotes. But not that contract.
Dvo, Schmaltz, Keller > Mathews + 2 forwards = $3.6 Mil as an example in the salary cap era.

Dvo + Shmaltz + Keller = 25 goals
Matthews = 24 goals

Hopefully one of those 2 forwards you get with Matthews can score more than 1 goal lol.

 

[cobra427]

Because all that swimming OEL does in front of his goalie has translated to so much winning over the years.

If OEL ever left Arizona his reputation would start to mirror Jaybo's pretty quickly.

You could at least suggest the type of D Toronto actually needs, like Jones or Parayko

I get it, coyotes have not won so OEL isn't good. TML needs a 1D if they want to win a cup, they aren't getting Paryko or Jones, they aren't available. Pietrangelo as a UFA is an option but TML likely can't afford him. If they could sign him, they would have to unload salary Marner or Mathews anyway. Anybody trading for Marner or Mathews will have to send salary back to TML for it to work, nobody has that kind o cap space. Mathews will leave the TML as a UFA, now is a great time to move him and his salary for a 1D, if TML wants to win a cup in the next few years.

The Coyotes might do it now versus a few years ago because Chychrun is showing signs of being a 1D and they need a 1C. If there is another team with a 1D available with a replacement 1D in their line up, and they need a 1C, TML should consider that as well. TML won't be able to keep the expensive forwards they have and win a cup with their current back end, it won't happen, a 3+ GAA is too high.

 

[CatchyTune]

I get it, coyotes have not won so OEL isn't good. TML needs a 1D if they want to win a cup, they aren't getting Paryko or Jones, they aren't available. Pietrangelo as a UFA is an option but TML likely can't afford him. If they could sign him, they would have to unload salary Marner or Mathews anyway. Anybody trading for Marner or Mathews will have to send salary back to TML for it to work, nobody has that kind o cap space. Mathews will leave the TML as a UFA, now is a great time to move him and his salary for a 1D, if TML wants to win a cup in the next few years.

The Coyotes might do it now versus a few years ago because Chychrun is showing signs of being a 1D and they need a 1C. If there is another team with a 1D available with a replacement 1D in their line up, and they need a 1C, TML should consider that as well. TML won't be able to keep the expensive forwards they have and win a cup with their current back end, it won't happen, a 3+ GAA is too high.

They already have a #1D in Rielly. Arizona would need to add big time to OEL if they want Matthews, sorry. A lot of this post is future predicting spewed out as if they are facts. The leafs' core are 23>, we are in no need to make such a dire move as if our window is closing

 

[Kuznetsnow]

I get it, coyotes have not won so OEL isn't good. TML needs a 1D if they want to win a cup, they aren't getting Paryko or Jones, they aren't available. Pietrangelo as a UFA is an option but TML likely can't afford him. If they could sign him, they would have to unload salary Marner or Mathews anyway. Anybody trading for Marner or Mathews will have to send salary back to TML for it to work, nobody has that kind o cap space. Mathews will leave the TML as a UFA, now is a great time to move him and his salary for a 1D, if TML wants to win a cup in the next few years.

The Coyotes might do it now versus a few years ago because Chychrun is showing signs of being a 1D and they need a 1C. If there is another team with a 1D available with a replacement 1D in their line up, and they need a 1C, TML should consider that as well. TML won't be able to keep the expensive forwards they have and win a cup with their current back end, it won't happen, a 3+ GAA is too high.

OEL is "good" just like Rielly is. Offensively inclined top pairing defenseman. The only thing he's substantially better than Rielly at defensively is being Swedish and smooth skating so that he reminds people of Nicklas Lidstrom and they subconsciously project him to be much better than he actually is. People used to think Karlsson was amazing defensively too and only now are starting to catch on.

Leafs need and RD who can handle physical play and defensive duties and get the puck out of the zone reliably and they have as good a shot as anyone. A Pesce or Savard or Petry or someone like that in the Nylander range could easily be enough. Adding OEL would be like adding Karlsson to the Sharks. And the time to trade Matthews was when they had Kadri and could have made a move for O'Reilly not when their 2C would be Alex Kerfoot lol

 

[Schemp]

Dvo + Shmaltz + Keller = 25 goals
Matthews = 24 goals

Hopefully one of those 2 forwards you get with Matthews can score more than 1 goal lol.

But how does that translate to wins?
Utilize more weaker links to justify 1 line? That's not Coyotes Hockey.

 

[Martin Skoula]

But how does that translate to wins?
Utilize more weaker links to justify 1 line? That's not Coyotes Hockey.

How do goals translate to wins?

I'll have to think on that one and get back to you.

 

[Dekes For Days]

McDavid, Draisatl, Kane, Kucherov, Pastranak, Marchand, etc. All score goals at AM pace while also putting up helpers too.

They score goals at less than Matthews' pace, but because unlike Matthews, they are on stacked lines and thus rack up secondary assists at a much greater pace, and because they get more PP TOI, people think they are better.

Since 2017-2018, Matthews is 1st in primary even strength points per 60, and by a not insignificant margin I might add, despite the worse linemates.
Since 2017-2018, Matthews is 7th in primary powerplay points per 60.

The only 3 players other than Matthews to be top 7 in both are McDavid, Kucherov, and Pastrnak.

 

[Schemp]

How do goals translate to wins?

I'll have to think on that one and get back to you.

Let me put this way
3 Yotes - 50 minutes
AM - 20 minutes
Increase AM's time or give 4th liners 15 minutes each of ice time? That makes the team weaker, not better.

 

[Dead Coyote]

How can cups have the Coyotes won in the previous 9 seasons with OEL on their blue line?

How many has Toronto won?

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[Flipwon]

How many has Toronto won?

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The point is the people saying the maple leafs "need" or would be better with OEL for the cup over Mathews, while the coyotes havent won anything. Not even close actually. No ones throwing stones, but you're definitely not comprehending the discussion.

 

[razor8]

Thats insane, Doughty would instantly make TML a cup contender and a much better team for any one of those 3 players. LA would never do it as they have no potential replacements at 1D and they already have Kopitar.

If only NHL GM's knew it was that easy. Just trade one player and win the cup.