Speculation: Isles Moving AGAIN Speculation Part II????

[Abe Vukota]

ROTFLMAO

And since I have full seasons and you're on a 4 way split of 2 seats my opinion is worth more than yours. So I guess I have to remind you of that every time you chime in.

But thanks for interrupting your summer vacation to drop by.

 

[nycole]

Does anyone here truly believe the inept Nassau County or inept Town of Hempstead can get something done at Belmont site? I highly doubt it. These are the same clueless idiots minus Kate Murray who couldn't do anything with the NVMC site except screw up after screw up.

I have to wonder if this is all a bluff by the new owners to get BC to bend to their will and make the changes they want. Guess we'll find out as time marches forward. The more time that ticks by the less likelihood they move again. Its been thrown around that from planning to complete building, takes 3-5 years. Time is already of the essence if the Isles are going anywhere.

This is completely out of their jurisdiction as Belmont Park is owned by the state and operated by NYRA. The only thing either the county or town (and Queens CB 13) can do is generate community opposition.

 

[blitzkriegs]

Does anyone here truly believe the inept Nassau County or inept Town of Hempstead can get something done at Belmont site? I highly doubt it. These are the same clueless idiots minus Kate Murray who couldn't do anything with the NVMC site except screw up after screw up.

I have to wonder if this is all a bluff by the new owners to get BC to bend to their will and make the changes they want. Guess we'll find out as time marches forward. The more time that ticks by the less likelihood they move again. Its been thrown around that from planning to complete building, takes 3-5 years. Time is already of the essence if the Isles are going anywhere.

And there you go... Belmont takes you as far EAST as possible from the opportunity to grow the fanbase in the Metro area. You are back to where you started: Limited fanbase, limited growth opportunity, but happier LI-fans. For some reason, I doubt M&L paid $500M+ for that to happen. They paid that $ for BC.

 

[eoin92]

This is completely out of their jurisdiction as Belmont Park is owned by the state and operated by NYRA. The only thing either the county or town (and Queens CB 13) can do is generate community opposition.

Is this true? The county or city has no say in what happens to land located within their area because it's owned by the state? Can you verify this?

 

[nycole]

Is this true? The county or city has no say in what happens to land located within their area because it's owned by the state? Can you verify this?

It's after COB so I wouldn't be able to get out our hard copy, I'll look online tonight. But no, the City (nor the Town or County) cannot interfere with State-owned property. They can ask for the property or to build on it but as long as the State owns it the State has the final word on everything.

 

[eoin92]

It's after COB so I wouldn't be able to get out our hard copy, I'll look online tonight. But no, the City (nor the Town or County) cannot interfere with State-owned property. They can ask for the property or to build on it but as long as the State owns it the State has the final word on everything.

Very interesting. Makes something, not necessarily a hockey arena, happening on that site, more plausible.

 

[stranger34]

And there you go... Belmont takes you as far EAST as possible from the opportunity to grow the fanbase in the Metro area. You are back to where you started: Limited fanbase, limited growth opportunity, but happier LI-fans. For some reason, I doubt M&L paid $500M+ for that to happen. They paid that $ for BC.

And the barclays center has moved them far enough west as to shrink the fanbase.

 

[stranger34]

Congrats on the out clause! You were 100% right. And you've said often that you'd prefer the team in a proper arena in Las Vegas over BC, so you're a lot closer to getting your wish.

As for who talks about Brooklyn being dangerous, I'll give you one guess:

It's the other one of you!




Bones again!
NYPD called it gang related. Lovely.
I don't recall anything like this happening close to the arena in Nassau, do you? Surely a good pre-game selection of food and beer is more important than security and not worrying about crime.
Got it.

More Bones!



Still Bones!

I have no issues regarding my safety in going to Barclays arena as i am 6'4", 220. BUT
If you know Long Islanders well enough -- its a safe bet.... that the proximity of the arena to Bed Stuy and other high crime areas is NOT a positive. Don't make a wrong turn. Nobody has mentioned it, and I even had posts removed when I did.
PS: And before someone mentions the crime rate around Uniondale, don't. Hempstead is high crime, but is 3-4 miles west of the Coli. Uniondale isnt great, but you take your car into a gated area and then drive away at the end of the game. Driving to the Coli vs taking mass transit to Brooklyn are very different.


But no one has really brought it up except the guy who fills every thread with the same nonsense. Right.



I have season tickets, so my opinion is more valuable than yours. Literally. Because I spend money on the team. So I guess I'll remind you of that every time you post.

See you in October, boys![/QUOTE]

the vegas ship has sailed unfortunately. LV was a unique preference. I'd rather Brooklyn over Quebec.

 

[stranger34]

This is completely out of their jurisdiction as Belmont Park is owned by the state and operated by NYRA. The only thing either the county or town (and Queens CB 13) can do is generate community opposition.

Floral Park residents oppose anything proposed at belmont, but I never knew they really don't have much say in it.

 

[The Underboss]

This is completely out of their jurisdiction as Belmont Park is owned by the state and operated by NYRA. The only thing either the county or town (and Queens CB 13) can do is generate community opposition.

And you don't think the TOH will step in and delay or stave off (lawsuits) the project just like they did the Light House project, in which Nassau County owed? Had TOH not gotten in the way, Wang would've gotten his Light House Project.

 

[The Underboss]

And there you go... Belmont takes you as far EAST as possible from the opportunity to grow the fanbase in the Metro area. You are back to where you started: Limited fanbase, limited growth opportunity, but happier LI-fans. For some reason, I doubt M&L paid $500M+ for that to happen. They paid that $ for BC.

Blitz, I'm okay with where they are now. I'm stuck watching on TV since I am out of the area. I believe as some do, that the money is in Brooklyn, or Willets Point.

 

[Bones45]

Blitz, I'm okay with where they are now. I'm stuck watching on TV since I am out of the area. I believe as some do, that the money is in Brooklyn, or Willets Point.

Put gaming / casino / slots with the isles in Belmont (where they already have gambling), and the money will pour in.

Anything can happen. Or maybe, nothing at all.

 

[On Edge]

Was told by sub contractor I deal with for finishes at NVMC there are currently multiple RFP's (Requests for Proposals) to be sent to Gensler and SHoP Architects for approvals on alterations on original plan / layout for common areas. I was told they are "significant".

For whatever that is worth or means.

 

[nycole]

Floral Park residents oppose anything proposed at belmont, but I never knew they really don't have much say in it.

And you don't think the TOH will step in and delay or stave off (lawsuits) the project just like they did the Light House project, in which Nassau County owed? Had TOH not gotten in the way, Wang would've gotten his Light House Project.

Very interesting. Makes something, not necessarily a hockey arena, happening on that site, more plausible.

The State totally different than the Town and County, who are two heads of the same monster as far as I'm concerned. I think their biggest weapon is public opinion, which has more leverage in local elections than in state elections. Any lawsuits brought on by Nassau and/or Hempstead on behalf of the residents wouldn't do much more than delay the process or bring bargaining leverage.

So while local residents can protest all they want, ultimately they can't do much more than stall what goes on there. Like I said, the State can do what they want with their property.

Remember, Hempstead is about 1/3 the size of Nassau. Nassau represents a much smaller percentage of New York State. Nassau politicians need(ed) Hempstead more than the State needs either.

Edit: the only unique hurdle for Belmont is community opposition, which is not as big a hurdle as it was for the Town and County. But the Town and County really do not have legal grounds to stand on to oppose something.

 

[LetsGoIslanders]

Put the arena here and put a three or four car station:

https://postimg.org/image/40gp06ect/

Right on the mainline. Yes, the Babylon and Long Beach branch will have to transfer to Jamaica, but during rush hour there are plenty of trains.

The problem with putting it in the south parking lots is that everyone has to change at Jamaica to go backwards. You run into the same problem there is at Atlantic Terminal.

 

[Bones45]

Was told by sub contractor I deal with for finishes at NVMC there are currently multiple RFP's (Requests for Proposals) to be sent to Gensler and SHoP Architects for approvals on alterations on original plan / layout for common areas. I was told they are "significant".

For whatever that is worth or means.

If its true, I'm not surprised. It would be foolish for Nassau County to not even try to bring them back.

 

[On Edge]

If its true, I'm not surprised. It would be foolish for Nassau County to not even try to bring them back.

RFPs are not unusual in any significant project particularly remodels. Sometimes they stick, are altered or never happen but at a minimum I would suspect there are some "looking at options" going on in the background.

If ownership was smart - and I think they are - I would imagine that they conduct due diligence on all options they have including staying at Barclays and taking a look at the NVMC. Where can ownership have best case ROI? Right now, still at Barclays but interesting stuff.

 

[Bones45]

RFPs are not unusual in any significant project particularly remodels. Sometimes they stick, are altered or never happen but at a minimum I would suspect there are some "looking at options" going on in the background.

If ownership was smart - and I think they are - I would imagine that they conduct due diligence on all options they have including staying at Barclays and taking a look at the NVMC. Where can ownership have best case ROI? Right now, still at Barclays but interesting stuff.

Without a doubt.

Side note: for the first time in quite awhile, we can say that management appears to be smart

 

[blitzkriegs]

And the barclays center has moved them far enough west as to shrink the fanbase.

Seems like more of an issue with the fanbase.

The Capitals seem just fine going from Andover to Chinatown. LA seems just fine going from Englewood to downtown.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Seems like more of an issue with the fanbase.

The Capitals seem just fine going from Andover to Chinatown. LA seems just fine going from Englewood to downtown.

To be fair, in those two examples they are the only game in town. Different in the NYC area.

But I disagree that the move caused the fan base to "shrink." The fan base is what it is. Moving 20 miles west really won't change it much, short term. Yes some fans on LI (especially east) go to less games now. But some fans can now go to more games. I don't think either number is all that significant and the net result is pretty much a wash. And if the team is successful, all of those fans will come and fill the building. (Even the most staunch critics of BC made the trek from Eastern Long Island to Brooklyn for the playoffs.)

But what's important here is that NYC offers the POTENTIAL to gain NEW fans. I'm sure Ledecky and Malkin don't have such a myopic view as some fans here.

 

[blitzkriegs]

To be fair, in those two examples they are the only game in town. Different in the NYC area.

But I disagree that the move caused the fan base to "shrink." The fan base is what it is. Moving 20 miles west really won't change it much, short term. Yes some fans on LI (especially east) go to less games now. But some fans can now go to more games. I don't think either number is all that significant and the net result is pretty much a wash. And if the team is successful, all of those fans will come and fill the building. (Even the most staunch critics of BC made the trek from Eastern Long Island to Brooklyn for the playoffs.)

But what's important here is that NYC offers the POTENTIAL to gain NEW fans. I'm sure Ledecky and Malkin don't have such a myopic view as some fans here.

If the Isles stay in toney NVMC, then how do they grow the fanbase? The inclination by many is that there is a significant population of Isles fans just waiting for a new building in Nassau and a winning team, then the building will be 'packed'

 

[Bones45]

if the isles stay in toney nvmc, then how do they grow the fanbase?

win.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

win.

This is true of course. And luckily for us, the relationship between Barclays and NYI financially enables the owners to ice a competitive team. So hopefully we'll see more winning.

 

[blitzkriegs]

win.

And these 'new' fans are just Nassau/Suffolk people?

I just don't get the logic that going to BK and winning, doesn't give NYI the opportunity to gain more fans, yet, staying in Nassau and winning somehow taps into this 'sleeping giant' fanbase that only shows up when they win - especially in an area that is not know for population growth, transplants, or a relocation hub due to job market.

 

[The Underboss]

Put gaming / casino / slots with the isles in Belmont (where they already have gambling), and the money will pour in.

Anything can happen. Or maybe, nothing at all.

I forgot about the gambling aspect of Belmont site. For now, I think this is all hot air to be frank. The owners know the money is in the 5 boroughs of NY. The money is NOT there in Nassau.