Is Ottawa a goaltender away from the Playoffs? Where do they go from here?

Spargon

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Arent Sanderson, Chabot, Chychrun and Zub all considered top 4 defencemen? Chychrun stats +/- wise also looks bad.

Sanderson +9
Zub +7
Brannstrom +5
Chabot -4
Bernard-Docker -5
Hamonic -10
Chychrun -28

-28 on a defence where the other 6 who have played a lot is mostly doing fine except Hamonic who we know are way past his best and only paid 1,1 mill.

A lot of it is about structure aswell, but yeah Chychrun doesnt seem to be working out. getting in Hannifin or Skjei as UFA and trading Chychrun could help them a lot.
Chychrun is just the latest Coyote overhype. Happens all the time, some mediocre player gets hyped to the moon on the Coyotes and their middling numbers get a pass and we're told outside Arizona they will thrive they are an amazing player held back in the desert. Then they go elsewhere and the same mediocre stats are treated like they always should have been. See OEL and Yandle.
 

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What they need is a veteran presence up front and on D + a starting goalie + good coaching staff. They need more role players. PK guys, energy guys. Not useless plugs like MacEwen and Kastelic. Kubalik sucks. Start with replacing those guys and get legitimate quality bottom 6 guys that fill role. . .

They aren’t a bad team just badly managed.
So like every other non-playoff team, we need better forwards, better D, better goaltenders and better coaching. Just a few key pieces away. OK, maybe Columbus and San Jose are further away but every year almost every alsoran is that close.
 

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It's obvious that goaltending and atrocious defense sunk this team, and people will continue to troll with their tired old shtick. Cam Talbot plays on a team that uses a trap strategy that players are crying about in the media, and people wonder why his stats are better now than they were in Ottawa. Gustavvson not looking good this year either, he has been outplayed and replaced by a 39-year-old Fleury. How many games do you think Ottawa has had their top 3 centers in the lineup simultaneously? Less than 10% since Norris/Stutzle/pinto joined the team.
 
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Chychrun is just the latest Coyote overhype. Happens all the time, some mediocre player gets hyped to the moon on the Coyotes and their middling numbers get a pass and we're told outside Arizona they will thrive they are an amazing player held back in the desert. Then they go elsewhere and the same mediocre stats are treated like they always should have been. See OEL and Yandle.
Dvorak. I remember everyone gobbling up his extension as being great lol.
 
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A competent head coach and a starting goalie would be enough to be in the wildcard race.

Can't understate how terrible the Sens goaltending was this year. Korpisalo, Forsberg and Sogaard are all in the bottom 5 leaguewide in saves above expectations.
Do you think goaltending cost them 12 to 14 points?
 

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It's not a simple answer.

Freddie Andersen, Pyotr Kochetkov, and Antti Raanta were last in the league in save percentage and most goalie metrics for the first 30, 35 games of the year for the Hurricanes. In the new year, they've been excellent in goaltending. Did the goaltending get better? Absolutely not. The team separated DeAngelo from Orlov, Orlov learned the system, and the team started playing Rod Brind'Amour gritty backchecking hockey again. The scoring suffered a little bit and the defense improved drastically. We did find out Antti Raanta was cooked, sadly. Hell of a guy.

If you were to swap tandems between Ottawa and Carolina, I don't think either team would have a substantially different result. I do think that Carolina's goalies are better, but I also think Ottawa's goalies have capable talent. Certainly both teams get worse goaltending than, say, the Boston Bruins.

But what really matters is the defensive commitment of the whole team. Until Ottawa as a team commits hard to better systems in the defensive zone and not allowing high danger shots, they'll continue to have "bad goaltending".

I say this purely anecdotally. I don't watch Sens games, and neither do most of us in this thread. I can vouch for whenever the Canes play Ottawa that usually it's way easier to get to the dirty goal-scoring areas and to enter the zone. Compare that to a game against the Rangers or Dallas. In those games the Canes have to fight for every inch of the ice and it's so hard to get any shots from dangerous areas.
 

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Seems early to start up the Ottawa hype train again. Usually they wait until the seasons ends and summer starts .

The sens are hot garbage in many other areas outside of Goaltending. They need more than just that
 

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Completely wrong make up of players.

No offensive bonafide MacKinnon, Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews type yet to play run and gun hockey yet they don’t play team defense.

They can’t win the 2-1/3-2 games consistently and don’t have the offensive firepower to win track meets with the best teams.

They are neither an LA Kings, or an Edmonton Oilers. They saw two archetypes for a team and said yeah we’ll do neither and throw Korpisalo in net.

Individually all of our players would do well if traded.

Rare case of whole is lesser than the sum of its parts.
 
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Do you think goaltending cost them 12 to 14 points?
Easily. Easily.
There were games that if a goaltender had made an average save or two more or even some elite level saves we would have won.
That isn't to say that the team isn't sorely lacking in talent, it is. This is a remnant of Bryan "I <3 Plumbers" Murray's philosphy and the Ottawa media circle loving low-talent scrubs and glorifying them.

But assuming we can get better goaltending AND more skill at forward AND a cogent defense AND a coach that has won something AS. A. HEAD. COACH. then we're in the bubble team convo, if not more.
 
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Team defense is the buy in. all teams have talent but it is the commitment to playing D that separates teams. Pens resurgence is playing much better D. But goaltending has not been good since eastern finals.
 

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How can a team finish that far off the pace and someone think "are they only one player away?"

The answer is no they are far far away for contending for a playoff spot. They don't score enough, the D isn't good enough, and yeah they also need better netminding. They have too many issues to fix in one off season and should consider next season a success if they are still in contention at the 5 games left mark.
Because like people ITT keep pointing out, Sens' goaltending wasn't just kinda bad, it has been literally the worst in the league.

TBH they need a top 4 RHD too, but it's not really absurd to think getting a good goalie gets them in the playoffs.
 

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Ottawa needs a good coach, someone with experience and someone who is a winner.
They have young talent up and down the lineup that needs to buy into a system.
Once that happens, they'll be a good team.
 

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Because like people ITT keep pointing out, Sens' goaltending wasn't just kinda bad, it has been literally the worst in the league.

TBH they need a top 4 RHD too, but it's not really absurd to think getting a good goalie gets them in the playoffs.

But the goaltending wasn't the only really bad part of the team. Their defense is bottom half of the league. The get outshoot against good teams so they don't really drive play much. Sure their goaltending was pretty bad but as other have said when they leave and go to other teams.of the sudden they aren't that bad any more.
 
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tarheelhockey

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It's not a simple answer.

Freddie Andersen, Pyotr Kochetkov, and Antti Raanta were last in the league in save percentage and most goalie metrics for the first 30, 35 games of the year for the Hurricanes. In the new year, they've been excellent in goaltending. Did the goaltending get better? Absolutely not. The team separated DeAngelo from Orlov, Orlov learned the system, and the team started playing Rod Brind'Amour gritty backchecking hockey again. The scoring suffered a little bit and the defense improved drastically. We did find out Antti Raanta was cooked, sadly. Hell of a guy.

If you were to swap tandems between Ottawa and Carolina, I don't think either team would have a substantially different result. I do think that Carolina's goalies are better, but I also think Ottawa's goalies have capable talent. Certainly both teams get worse goaltending than, say, the Boston Bruins.

But what really matters is the defensive commitment of the whole team. Until Ottawa as a team commits hard to better systems in the defensive zone and not allowing high danger shots, they'll continue to have "bad goaltending".

I say this purely anecdotally. I don't watch Sens games, and neither do most of us in this thread. I can vouch for whenever the Canes play Ottawa that usually it's way easier to get to the dirty goal-scoring areas and to enter the zone. Compare that to a game against the Rangers or Dallas. In those games the Canes have to fight for every inch of the ice and it's so hard to get any shots from dangerous areas.

I came here to say something really similar. Unless Ottawa gets a Hellebuyck or something, I don’t think a goalie upgrade is going to make them a look all that much better. They need to improve defensively as a total team.
 

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it really depends on the tkachuk and chychrun rumors. losing either would be a big blow to their team. pinto and grieg had good years that they can build off of. goaltending and some strong veteran leadership would go a long way.
 

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Goaltending is an issue for them but that's not the easiest to solve. They don't have a ton of cap flexibility or assets to trade so not like they can easily pull off a trade for a legit #1.
It's also very obvious that some of the goaltending problems come from poor team defense.
 

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Sens have literally the worst goaltending this season, even with average goaltending they would have been in the playoffs(see tweet).

I do believe they can be a good team with a new goalie+coaching


That’s a hugely flawed basis for any conclusion. It shows what happens if the get average goaltending, but regardless of which stat(s) they use it tells you nothing. The issue is why they aren’t getting those average numbers… is it the system, skater, goalie etc. It answers none of that as it’s not used in appropriate context.
 

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Bunch of offensive dmen and forwards who seem immature. I think an experienced defensive minded coach would do wonders for them
 

FunkySeeFunkyDoo

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They need to fix a hell of a lot more than goaltending.

Don't get me wrong, a hot goalie all year can take any team to the playoffs.

But this team has sooo many issues that I can't see them being a contender any time soon.

So much wasted value gone...

They may need to restart the rebuild and do it right this time.
The roster definitely needs some changes, but I still believe the core of Sanderson, Stuetzle, Tkachuk, Batherson and Chabot is a good one.

And really, anyone who follows the Sens closely can tell you that the two biggest problems — Pierre Dorion and DJ Smith — have already been dealt with.
 

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