Interesting Info: Part XVI (All Jackets-related "tidbits" in here)

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Mayor Bee

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Not sure if it was in Mayor Bee's thread but here is the order of the draft. Interesting to see who went where and who Minny took, etc. Also, had a laugh at Minny's pick(21).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft

It's even more damning to look at the order and realize at what point who went where.

Maybe someday I'll provide a full round-by-round breakdown. Even setting aside who else was available, I'd be willing to bet Minnesota won at least 16/26 rounds even when they had the second pick in said round. I'll need to tap someone else for scouting reports, but I can certainly provide the basic essentials.
 

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Watching the news, reading the paper and checking in on HF are all stroke-inducing for me. :nod:


Did you see the headline about the "amphibious pitcher?"
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/06...ls-debut-of-amphibious-pitcher/2131433874904/

Back in the 80's there was a basketball player at NC State named Charles Shackleford who described his basketball skills as follows: “Left hand, right hand, it doesn’t matter. I’m amphibious.†Valvano really recruited some Rhodes scholars down there.
 

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I have a bit of time, so here's the round-by-round breakdown of the 2000 expansion draft.

The following parameters were in place:
- Atlanta and Nashville were exempt from participating
- The other 26 teams could protect either one of two goalies, three defensemen, and seven forwards, or one goalie, five defensemen, and nine forwards
- Each existing team would lose two players. A team that lost a goalie could not lose a defenseman as well.
- Draft order was snake style. Columbus had first pick of goalies and forwards, Minnesota of defensemen.
- The first three rounds were goalies only, the next eight defensemen, the next thirteen forwards. The final round would be for any position.

For this breakdown, I'm considering the following.

1) Since every team was participating in some way, it was a great opportunity for someone to get a player they really wanted but otherwise couldn't get. Either one of Columbus or Minnesota could (and did) act as little more than a pass-through for a player they claimed by flipping him to a new team for a previously agreed-upon asset.

2) Existing teams would have a great interest in either not losing an exposed player or in making sure that they lost an exposed player. Both Columbus and Minnesota would make deals that followed this. This was a pre-salary cap world, and one onerous contract to an unproductive player could be suffocating, especially to a small-market team.

3) It's quite likely that both Columbus and Minnesota had agreed upon deals for the same player that could potentially be claimed; the only question would be who would get to that player first and trigger the deal.

4) It's also possible that an agreed-upon deal would fall apart. I'm aware of one in the 1999 expansion draft with Atlanta where this allegedly happened. The story there, in an article that I can't seem to find right now, was that Atlanta would claim Matt Johnson from Phoenix, then trade him to Philadelphia with a 3rd-rounder for Philly's 1st-rounder and Dmitri Tertyshny. Atlanta claimed Johnson, and Philly allegedly backed out of the deal that had allegedly been already agreed upon. The story has a tragic epilogue: Tertyshny was killed in a boating accident just one month later.

5) Compensatory draft picks for losing free agents still existed, all the way up to second-rounders. The framework involved the new salary of the player's contract. Expansion teams could claim a player, then collect a draft pick for losing him despite the possibility of having zero contact with him outside of the expansion draft paperwork.

So with all of this in mind, this is the 2000 NHL expansion draft.

Round 1 - goalies
Columbus takes Rick Tabaracci from Colorado. Tabaracci was 31 and just barely eligible for the draft (26 games played in the NHL the previous two seasons); he had failed to stick on the expansion Thrashers, playing just one game there before ending up in Colorado.

Minnesota takes Jamie McLennan from St. Louis. McLennan was 29 and had appeared in 52 games the previous two seasons.

At the time - Having already acquired Marc Denis, Columbus had what they regarded as the goalie of the future. Tabaracci was a pending UFA, so it's possible that this was a gamble that he would get a big contract elsewhere and leave Columbus with a draft pick.

There may have been a bit of gamesmanship at play here. Colorado had Greg de Vries and Alexei Gusarov available as defensemen, and it's certainly possible that Columbus took Tabaracci in this spot specifically so Minnesota could get neither of them.

End result - McLennan would play 38 games with the Wild that year, then fall back to the AHL the next season before being traded for a 9th-rounder (Mika Hannula, who never played in the NHL). Tabaracci would sign with Dallas, leaving Columbus with an 8th-rounder in 2001 (Andrew Murray). I'll still call this one a wash.

Round 2 - goalies
Minnesota takes Mike Vernon from Florida. Vernon was 37 and past his prime, although certainly still a good goalie.

Columbus takes Frederic Chabot from Montreal. Chabot was 32 and basically a career minor-leaguer.

At the time - Both of these were pass-through deals. Minnesota traded Vernon to Calgary for Dan Cavanaugh (a 1999 2nd-round pick) and a 2001 8th-rounder; Columbus received a 2nd-rounder from Montreal for taking Chabot. This was likely due to the fact that the Canadiens had exposed Karl Dykhuis, Scott Lachance, and Eric Weinrich, plus prospects Matthieu Descoteaux and Stephane Robidas. By getting Chabot off the board, all of those defensemen were now protected.

End result - Minnesota took Jake Riddle with their pick, and Cavanaugh never played in the NHL. This should be a clear win for Columbus, but that 2nd-rounder from Montreal was used to draft Kiel McLeod. End result is a wash of total busts.

Round 3 - goalies
Columbus takes Dwayne Roloson , a 31-year-old mostly career minor leaguer who'd played a bit the previous two seasons for Buffalo.

Minnesota takes Chris Terreri from New Jersey. He was 36 and clearly at the end of his career.

At the time - Terreri was another pass-through that was, well, strange. Minnesota would trade him right back to New Jersey along with a 9th-rounder for Brad Bombardir, a defenseman who was unprotected by the Devils. It'll get more strange in a couple of posts when we get to the forwards.

Roloson would refuse to sign with Columbus. It's possible that this was another move to try to get a draft pick for losing a UFA, but Roloson would sign with an AHL team and leave Columbus with nothing.

End result - Bombardir would play four years with Minnesota before being traded to Nashville as part of a deal to get two draft picks. One pick was Patrick Bordeleau, who would make the NHL ten years later, but only after being unsigned by the Wild and leaving them with nothing. The other was Clayton Stoner, who would later play several years in both the Wild system and then on the big club for four years.

This one was a decisive win for Minnesota.

End result - goalies.

From their three picks, Columbus would end up with no NHL games from the players they picked. Out of the assets acquired one way or another, they'd get around 200 games from Andrew Murray, who didn't get above the fourth line.

From their three picks, Minnesota would get 38 games out of McLennan, but also around 200 from Bombardir (which then would become another 200+ of Stoner).

It's possible that both teams simply blunted each other by eliminating the ability to take defensemen; this is unknown, but fun to speculate about.

All told for the goalie round, it's a clear win for Minnesota. I have two rounds (1 and 2) as a push, and one round (3) as a decisive Minnesota win.

Scorecard so far
Round 1 - McLennan/Tabaracci - push
Round 2 - Vernon/Chabot - push
Round 3 - Terreri/Roloson - clear Minnesota

Coming soon....rounds 4-11 - defensemen.
 
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Now let's get to the defensemen. With the goalies off the board, and all remaining defensemen eligible to be taken, the gloves can come off a bit. There's a bit more to go on, plus more speculating from me! Woohoo!

Minnesota would go first.

Round 4 - defensemen
Minnesota takes Sean O'Donnell from Los Angeles. O'Donnell was 29 years old and had spent the previous five years solidly entrenched on the Kings' blueline. Two things: he was massive, and he had no offensive skill. There was also one year left on his contract.

Columbus takes Mattias Timander from Boston. Timander was 26 and had just played his first full NHL season the year before, although he'd gotten some time the previous two years.

At the time - All things considered, O'Donnell was the best option from Los Angeles. Garry Galley was 37 and past his prime. Philippe Boucher hadn't stuck full-time in the NHL at that point, and neither had Jaroslav Modry.

Timander didn't make a ton of sense at the time; two names stick out as far better options. First in Don Sweeney, who would most likely have signed right back with Boston but left a nice shiny high draft pick for Columbus. The other was Johnathan Aitken, who'd been the 8th overall pick in 1996 and was only 22 years old. Even if he hadn't stuck in Columbus, someone undoubtedly would be willing to cough up assets to take a chance on him.

End result - O'Donnell would be traded at the deadline that year to New Jersey for Willie Mitchell, who would play a vital role on the Wild's rise to relevance. Mitchell would then be traded as part of a deal for Martin Skoula, who'd be with the team through 2009. Timander would play two largely-forgettable seasons in Columbus before being traded for a 4th-rounder that was used on Jekabs Redlihs.

Clear win for Minnesota: they got nearly 10 seasons of NHL play out of this chain, while Columbus got two seasons of Mattias Timander.

Round 5 - defensemen
Columbus takes Bert Robertsson from Edmonton. He was 26 and about as good at that point as Mattias Timander.

Minnesota takes Curtis Leschyshyn from Carolina, a 31-year-old veteran of around 800 NHL games.

At the time - Robertsson was the best option from Edmonton, which really isn't saying much. Leschyshyn was a vastly superior player, although he'd missed 55 games the previous three seasons.

But here lies the question: why Robertsson over Leschyshyn? Even as a basic asset, it doesn't make much sense. A longtime, playoff-tested defenseman is a much more desirable commodity at the trade deadline (if it came to that) than someone who was hardly an even shot to last in the NHL. Leschyshyn at that point was better than what Robertsson was projected to become.

End result - Another decisive win for Minnesota. Leschyshyn would play 54 games with Minnesota before being traded at the deadline for a 3rd-rounder, which was used on Stephane Veilleux. Veilleux would make the NHL almost immediately and stay with the team through 2009. Robertsson would be traded in short order to the Rangers for J-F Labbe, which in itself defied logic.

Round 6 - defensemen
Columbus takes Tommi Rajamaki from Toronto; he was 24 and a veteran of six seasons at the top level in Finland.

Minnesota takes Ladislav Benysek from Anaheim; he was 25 and had primarily played in the Czech League over the preceding seasons, save for one year in North America three years prior.

At the time - I don't know Rajamaki's role on the top team in Finland at the time, nor do I know Benysek's role on the top team in the Czech Republic. Benysek had played in the World Championships as well on two gold-winning teams.

End result - Rajamaki would never come to North America, and Columbus would get nothing out of him. Benysek would play three seasons in Minnesota before heading back overseas. Another clear win for Minnesota, although not to the same extent.

Round 7 - defensemen
Minnesota takes Chris Armstrong from San Jose. He was 25 and was a fine minor-league defenseman. Oddly enough, this was the second time he was taken with the 13th pick in an expansion draft; Nashville had taken him in that slot two years prior.

Columbus takes Jamie Pushor from Dallas. He was 27 and had been basically a third-pairing guy on top teams in Detroit and Dallas.

At the time - Pushor was regarded as someone who could obviously play on some really good teams, although his playoff experience on them was extremely limited. Armstrong was taken ahead of two longtime NHLers in Bob Rouse and Jeff Norton, although both were on the far side of 35.

End result - Armstrong would play just three games with the Wild before returning to the minors to stay. Pushor played a little less than two seasons for Columbus before being traded for a 4th-rounder, which was used on Kevin Jarman. Columbus clearly wins, but to about the same extent as Benysek over Rajamaki. (In other words, big deal).

Round 8 - defensemen
Minnesota takes Filip Kuba from Calgary. He was 24 and had a whopping 18 games of NHL experience to that point. Interesting to note is how many defensemen Calgary had available: Eric Charron, Steve Smith, Bobby Dollas, Darryl Shannon, and Brad Werenka.

Columbus takes Lyle Odelein from Phoenix. He was 32, had a ton of experience (in the playoffs as well), and had been a part of Canada's 1996 World Cup team.

At the time - Odelein was regarded as a bit of a gem in the expansion draft. Other options from Phoenix were J.J. "If There's An Expansion Draft, I'm In It!" Daigneault and future Syracuse coach Trent Cull.

Kuba had not stuck on some middling Panthers teams. At the time, this was regarded as a big win for Columbus.

End result - Kuba would stick with Minnesota immediately, giving the Wild six seasons of excellent play before leaving as a UFA. Odelein was the first captain in CBJ history, and was traded less than two years later for a 2nd-rounder (Dan Fritsche) and Jaroslav Spacek. Spacek would be a solid player for Columbus, and Fritsche...not so much, but he'd be part of the Zherdev/Tyutin deal.

Basically, it's six years of Kuba versus two years of Odelein, two years of Spacek, three years of Fritsche, and possibly one year of Christian Backman (if we split the trade that way). Spacek in his best year might have been equal to Kuba, but Kuba was vastly better than Odelein, Backman, and Fritsche.

It's still a win for Minnesota.

To be continued later....
 

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Round 9 - defensemen
Columbus takes Radim Bicanek from Chicago. 25 years old, a second-round pick of Ottawa in 1993, and could not stick on the worst team in the league despite multiple opportunities to do so.

Minnesota takes Oleg Orekhovsky from Washington; 22 years old and a seven-year veteran of Dynamo in the highest levels of Russian hockey.

At the time - Bicanek had played 62 games in the NHL at that point, and somehow had retained enough value to be traded to Chicago for a 6th-rounder just one year prior. This says more about how Chicago was so hideously bad for a decade than anything else.

Doug Zmolek was also available from Chicago; he was 30 and had plenty of experience. Kevin Dean was 31. Neither were prime choices, but either one could have provided a solid third-pairing presence.

I don't know much about Orekhovsky, except that I once pulled a card of his out of a pack and thought it was a cool name, secretly hoping that he had a middle name that began with an O; then instead of cheering for him, the crowd could go "ooooooooooo" every time he touched the puck.

Washington's other available defensemen included Dmitri Mironov, 35 years old and past his prime but still serviceable. Orekhovsky probably made more sense.

End result - Bicanek couldn't stick on the first-year CBJ team either, and would play 60 games on the worst team in franchise history (2001-02).

Somehow this is a minor CBJ victory, only because Orekhovsky never came over. But in the end, we had to watch Bicanek on our team, and that makes us the biggest loser of all.

Round 10 - defensemen
Columbus takes Mathieu Schneider from the NY Rangers. 31 years old, pending UFA, and a damned good player.

Minnesota takes Ian Herbers from the NY Islanders. They really had no choice, as Herbers was the only defenseman the Islanders left unprotected.

At the time - Schneider was in the upper echelon of defensemen in the league, Herbers was a career minor leaguer. Big win for Columbus, if they could get him signed.

End result - Perhaps nothing summed up the MacLean years more than this whole series of events. Take Schneider, but be unable to sign him. See him walk, but get something of middling value (a 4th-rounder) as compensation for losing him. Use that 4th-rounder as half of a trade with Kevyn Adams to get Ray Whitney, then two years later lose Whitney for nothing and...well, for nothing.

Even with the sting of Schneider moving on, something of great value ended up being gained. It was later lost for nothing, but it was fun while it lasted! Regardless, Columbus wins this one.

Round 11 - defensemen
Minnesota takes Artem Anisimov (not that one) from Philadelphia. 24 years old and a veteran of the Russian league.

Columbus takes Jonas Andersson-Junkka from Pittsburgh, 25 years old and a longtime veteran of the Swedish and Finnish leagues.

At the time - Anisimov was a 3rd-rounder in 1994, Junkka a 4th-rounder in 1993. If either team could convince their guy to come over, they'd win the round.

End result - Neither one did.


End result - defensemen

Out of eight rounds, I have the scorecard as such.
Round 4 - O'Donnell/Timander - decisive Minnesota
Round 5 - Leschyshyn/Robertsson - decisive Minnesota
Round 6 - Benysek/Rajamaki - clear Minnesota
Round 7 - Armstrong/Pushor - clear Columbus
Round 8 - Kuba/Odelein - clear Minnesota
Round 9 - Orekhovsky/Bicanek - push
Round 10 - Herbers/Schneider - clear Columbus
Round 11 - Anisimov/Andersson-Junkka - push

After goalies and defensemen, Minnesota has a 5-2-4 lead. That's right...twice as many pushes as Columbus wins.

To be continued later...
 

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While I'm at it, I'll get the first few forwards done as well.

Round 12 - forwards
Columbus takes Geoff Sanderson from Buffalo. 28 years old, two-time 40-goal and two-time 30-goal scorer who had been buried on Buffalo's bench. Those Sabres teams were so close to winning a Cup but they couldn't score, yet had Sanderson buried behind real offensive dynamos. Y'know, guys like Dixon Ward.

Minnesota takes Stacy Roest from Detroit. 26 years old, undersized scoring forward who couldn't get established in Detroit.

At the time - Sanderson may or may not have been part of a side deal with Buffalo. The end result was that Columbus came away with Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, Matt Davidson, and two 5th-round picks. One source says that the agreement was to not take a goalie from Buffalo, which doesn't make sense because Dwayne Roloson was the only unprotected one. One source says that the agreement was to take a goalie (Roloson) so they wouldn't lose one of their unprotected defensemen (which included James Patrick, Jason Woolley, and Richard Smehlik). And a final one says that it was to take both Roloson and Sanderson.

Roest was thought of as undersized, but he had big numbers in the AHL. With Detroit in the midst of contending every year and able to hold onto their talent, there was no place for him. Other Detroit forwards included Igor Larionov (40 years old) and Pat Verbeek (36).

Of course, Verbeek was Sanderson's other wing in Hartford with Andrew Cassels up the middle. Imagine if Columbus had taken Verbeek later, then signed Cassels the next year as they did...

End result - Huge victory for Columbus. Sanderson would score 30 goals twice more, be traded for a 3rd-rounder, be claimed off waivers and them traded almost immediately as part of a deal to get Jason Chimera, Cale Hulse, and Mike Rupp. Roest was gone from Minnesota after two disappointing seasons.

Round 13 - forwards
Minnesota takes Darryl Laplante from Detroit. 23 years old, and I don't have a scouting report on him or know much about him. I remember the name.

Columbus takes Turner Stevenson from Montreal. This was a passthrough selection.

At the time - For Minnesota it's an unknown. For Columbus, the deal was to draft Stevenson, then trade him to New Jersey to complete a four-piece deal. That ended up being a 3rd-rounder and Stevenson for Krzyzstof Oliwa and Deron Quint.

End result - Laplante never did play another NHL game. Oliwa played a handful of games before being traded for a 3rd-rounder, which was used on Aaron Johnson. Quint, perhaps the least likely scoring record-holder in NHL history (two goals in :04), would play two seasons in Columbus.

This was a clear win for Columbus, although the asset management involved was pretty poor and the return negligible.

Round 14 - forwards
Minnesota takes Scott Pellerin from St. Louis. 30-year-old utility forward with some scoring touch.

Columbus takes Robert Kron from Carolina. 33 years old, but had just put up 40 points the year prior.

At the time - Pellerin was a jack of all trades. He'd scored 20 goals two years prior, meaning that he could possibly slot in on Minnesota's second (or even first) line. Kron was a wildly inconsistent scorer.

Pellerin was the best forward option from St. Louis; the same cannot be said of Kron. Carolina also had Martin Gelinas exposed; he was three years younger, had more NHL experience, and had a pair of 30-goal seasons to his name. With a scoring forward like the already-claimed Sanderson, Columbus could have had a solid top line right off the bat.

End result - Kron would play 118 games in Columbus, scoring just 12 goals and actually spending time in the AHL as well. Pellerin had 39 points in 58 games with Minnesota, then was traded for a prospect, a conditional pick, and a 3rd-rounder. That 3rd-rounder was then traded to move up a few spots, which was wasted by taking a guy who didn't amount to anything.

It's a tough call, but I give the edge to Minnesota. Neither one got much of anything even two years down the road, but Pellerin brought a hell of a lot more to the table and was much less maddening than Kron.

Round 15 - forwards
Columbus takes Steve Heinze from Boston. 30 years old, scoring numbers declining.

Minnesota takes Jim Dowd from Edmonton. 32-year-old utility forward who'd spent three of the previous four seasons primarily in the minors with an occasional callup.

At the time - Neither one had a terribly distinguished resume. Dowd had been a full-time NHLer in the mid-90s, including playing a vital bottom-six role with the Devils' 1995 Cup team. Since then, he'd bounced around North America, playing in four different organizations in five years. Heinze had 20 goals and 40 points two and three seasons prior, but had dropped to 12 goals and 25 points before being picked up.

End result - Heinze would rebound and re-discover his scoring touch, putting up 22 goals and 42 points in 65 games in Columbus before being traded for a 3rd-rounder. That pick was later used on...Per Mars. Dowd would play just under four full seasons with Minnesota before being traded for a 4th-rounder, which was also used on a guy who wouldn't play in the NHL.

The edge will go to Minnesota. Dowd's nearly 300 games and 100+ points with the Wild takes the edge over Heinze's 65 and 42.

To be continued....
 

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Round 16 - forwards
Columbus takes Tyler Wright from Pittsburgh. 27-year-old utility forward.

Minnesota takes Sergei Krivokrasov from Calgary. 26-year-old scoring forward.

At the time - Wright had been a 1st-rounder in 1991 and projected as a power forward; he did nothing for the Oilers and was eventually traded for a 7th-rounder. He did nothing in four years in Pittsburgh, including a season for the ages in 1998-99.

Krivokrasov had been a 1st-round pick of Chicago in 1992, but never really got going. He ended up on Nashville's first-year team in 1998-99.

To compare the 1998-99 seasons of both: Krivokrasov got good ice time for the first time in his career and scored 25 goals and 48 points. Wright played 61 games and scored 0 goals and 0 points, the worst season by a skater since the league's founding 82 years prior. In 1999-00, Krivokrasov was traded to Calgary and put up 11 points in 12 games.

Wright was drafted ahead of Krivokrasov.

Ultimately, there are a couple of additional questions that need cleared up. Why Wright from Pittsburgh? Josef Beranek was available; he was 31 and had no trouble putting up points (49 points in 66 games two years prior, and 8 points in 13 games with Pittsburgh after being traded there at the deadline the year prior). Ian Moran was available as a forward, but he could fill in on defense as well.

The bigger one involves the Calgary forward that wasn't taken: Martin St. Louis. He'd put up big numbers in the AHL, not so much in the NHL. He was only one year younger than Krivokrasov, but had shown nothing in the NHL to that point. He was regarded as an excellent minor league player who just couldn't hack it, and it took him three years in Tampa Bay before he started to break through.

End result - Somehow this ended up as a win for Columbus, but it's a weird one to call. Wright played a bit over four seasons in Columbus, scoring 57 goals. He was also a -96 overall, including a season of -40. He would end up as a part of the Fedorov trade, but his most important contributions would be in the community (big positive) and in the front office (ehh....)

Krivokrasov did nothing in Minnesota and was traded less than two seasons in for a 7th-rounder.

Round 17 - forwards
Minnesota takes Jeff Nielsen from Anaheim. 29 years old, apparently a utility forward.

Columbus takes Kevyn Adams from Toronto. 25 years old and had just played his first NHL season.

At the time - The Nielsen pick was a bit baffling for Minnesota. Kip Miller was 31 and had demonstrated an actual scoring touch. Tony Hrkac had finally stuck at the NHL level. Bob Wren was 26 and had put up big numbers in the AHL, and Frank Banham was 25 and had done the same. Nielsen had demonstrated nothing to that point except an inability to produce in the NHL.

Adams was in a similar position. Others available included utility guys like Garry Valk, and a potential gem in Alyn McCauley. McCauley had suffered two concussions in the previous three years, but was a very highly-regarded defensive forward with a scoring touch, plus being regarded as future captain material.

End result - Still ends up as a win for Columbus, although both were poor picks. Nielsen played one year in Minnesota and then was out of hockey completely, while Adams played less than a year in Columbus before being traded as part of the deal for Ray Whitney.

Round 18 - forwards
Minnesota takes Jeff Odgers from Colorado, a 31-year-old enforcer.

Columbus takes Dmitri Subbotin from the NY Rangers, a 23-year-old who had yet to play in North America.

At the time - Why Odgers? There were plenty of enforcers available all over the place; they'd just passed on a handful from Anaheim, plus missing out on a very young one in Shawn Thornton from Toronto. Other forwards available from Colorado included Dave Andreychuk, Dave Reid, and prospects Christian Matte and Serge Aubin.

I don't know anything about Subbotin.

End result - A wash in both directions. Subbotin never came over, and Odgers was lost to Atlanta off waivers in the preseason. Neither player provided anything in any way for their team.

Round 19 - forwards
Minnesota takes Steve McKenna from Los Angeles. 27 years old, and more known for being the biggest man in pro hockey.

Columbus takes Dallas Drake from Phoenix. 31-year-old versatile wing.

At the time - Another poor pick from Minnesota. McKenna had been regarded as a project player for years; I remember the hype early in his career for a 6'8" forward, but it became apparent that he couldn't do much of anything. He couldn't score, didn't fight, wasn't a defensive player, he was just big and occupied space. Others available from Los Angeles included Eric Belanger, a still-productive Nelson Emerson, and a prospect with a huge ceiling in a 23-year-old Pavel Rosa.

Drake was an excellent pick; imagine Antoine Vermette on the wing. He had great speed, a scoring touch, solid board play, and good defensive skill. Slot him on the second line and he could give you 20 goals and 40 points, put him on the third line and he could provide terrific energy.

End result - Somehow Minnesota wins this one. McKenna did nothing and was traded for Roman Simicek (who also did nothing). Drake would not sign with Columbus, and the team did not receive a compensatory pick when he went to St. Louis.

Round 20 - forwards
Columbus takes Bruce Gardiner from Tampa Bay. 29-year-old fourth liner.

Minnesota takes Michal Bros from San Jose. 24 years old, had never played in North America.

At the time - There wasn't much for Columbus to choose from; the best options from Tampa were Gardiner, Dan Kesa, Robert Petrovicky, and Xavier Delisle (a prospect).

San Jose had a handful of NHL players available, although most were past their prime by that point.

End result - Minor win for Columbus. Gardiner would score the first goal in franchise history, but would not be qualified after the season and was lost for nothing.

Bros would never come over at all, and Minnesota would get nothing for him.

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How is Kevyn Adams not a huge win? Highly valued checker who was traded for a lot of good scorers in his career.

And if you're going to say that it didn't matter to us because Dougie didn't resign Whitney, well that just makes it normal for the expansion draft. The shelf life of nearly every player taken in the expansion draft was just a few years or less. The draft didn't have a huge long-term effect on either Minnesota or Columbus - what screwed us was Dougie's entry drafting.

Edit: You're referring to Adams as a "poor pick" because Garry Valk and Alyn McCauley were available? I think you mean "might have been perceived as a poor pick at the time but clearly a good pick in retrospect"?
 
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Round 21 - forwards
Minnesota takes Joe Juneau from Ottawa. This was a passthrough deal.

Columbus takes Barrie Moore from Washington. 25-year-old utility forward.

At the time - Minnesota was taking Juneau for the purpose of completing a trade with Phoenix that netted them Rickard Wallin, a 20-year-old defenseman.

Moore was basically an AHL-level player by this point; he'd played 35 games in the NHL in 1996-97 and only 1 game since. Washington had several other options; Joe Sacco was 31 and was at least a legitimate NHLer, and a few others had battled injuries but could produce when healthy.

End result - Wallin would play only 19 games with Minnesota, but it's 19 more than Barrie Moore would play with Columbus. Moore would sign that year with a team in the British League, and would play only 16 more games the rest of his career in a level above the ECHL. A small win for Minnesota.

Round 22 - forwards
Minnesota takes Darby Hendrickson from Vancouver. Utility bottom-six center.

Columbus takes Martin Streit from Philadelphia. 23 years old, had yet to play in North America.

At the time - Hendrickson was primarily a defensive and energy forward. Vancouver mostly had their usual collection of garbage European forwards available, but Mark Messier would represent an easy 2nd-rounder to any team that took him.

I don't know anything about Streit. Other options included Valeri Zelepukin, and a host of bottom-six physical forwards like Keith Jones and Jody Hull.

End result - Streit would never come over. Hendrickson would play four years in Minnesota, then be traded along with an 8th-rounder to move up four rounds; that pick was then traded for Todd White, who'd play a couple years in Minnesota and have his career years there.

Clear win for Minnesota.

Round 23 - forwards
Columbus takes Kevin Dineen from Ottawa. 37-year-old utility forward (by that point).

Minnesota takes Jeff Daw from Chicago. 28 years old, had never played in the NHL.

At the time - The only other real option from Ottawa was Rob Zamuner, a slow defensive winger who'd played on Canada's 98 Olympic team. With good minutes, he could actually produce some offense as well. Dineen figured to have a year or two left.

Daw was just a bad pick from the beginning. David Ling was 25 and could at least by an energy guy (although he scored a ton in the minors), Josef Marha was 24 and just emerging in the NHL, Derek Plante was 29 and battling injuries but had demonstrated an ability to score in the NHL.

End result - Daw would never play with Minnesota. Dineen would play a little more than a season with Columbus before retiring.

A win for Columbus.

Round 24 - forwards
Columbus takes Jeff Williams from New Jersey. 24 years old, looks like a scoring forward.

Minnesota takes Stefan/Steffan Nilsson from Vancouver.

At the time - Williams had enough value to have been both claimed on waivers and traded just the year prior. There were other options from New Jersey, but Williams made sense.

Nilsson...okay, here's a weird story. In 1988, both Calgary and Vancouver picked Stefan Nilsson, a 20-year-old Swedish forward. Vancouver picked him the second time, Calgary and the league demanded to know what was going on, and it was at that time that it was discovered that there were two Stefan Nilssons in the draft that year, both Swedish and the same age. The one Calgary picked had retired by 1995 (I think), and the one Vancouver picked was still active in 2000 (I think).

Either way, Minnesota took either a guy who was retired, or one who had played in the Swedish League with the same team for 15 years and obviously wasn't about to come over. Just a weird pick all the way around. That goes double because, as pointed out earlier, Mark Messier was unprotected by Vancouver and the team that would pick him up would undoubtedly get a 2nd-rounder when he signed elsewhere as a UFA in a week.

End result - Somehow a wash. Williams wouldn't crack the lineup, put in a year in Syracuse, then headed overseas to join Nilsson, who never left for North America at all. Nilsson has his number retired by Lulea, and is currently an assistant coach with them; I'd have to believe he's a legend of sorts there.

Coming soon...the last two rounds, plus the final breakdown.
 

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For the last two rounds, Minnesota and Columbus could select a player from any position from one of the teams that had yet to lose two players, but the same restriction on losing a defenseman or goalie remained.

These four teams were Tampa Bay (had lost a forward), Dallas (had lost a defenseman, thus could not lose a goalie), Florida (had lost a goalie, could not lose a defenseman), and NY Islanders (had lost a defenseman, could not lose a goalie).




Round 25 - freestyle!
Minnesota takes Zac Bierk, a goalie from Tampa Bay.

Columbus takes Sergei Luchinkin from Dallas, a 25-year-old forward who had yet to play in North America.

At the time - Bierk at that point was best known as a decent goalie prospect who was also the brother of former Skid Row frontman Sebastien Bach.

End result - Bierk would only play a single game with Minnesota and would not be qualified after the season ended. He'd play in the ECHL the next year, then re-emerge with Phoenix in 2002-03. He and Michael Leighton would duel to a 0-0 double shutout in one of those games, making it the first time in NHL history that two goalies earned their first career shutout in the same game.

Luchinkin would never come over to North America.

A very small win for Minnesota.

Round 26 - freestyle!
Minnesota takes Cam Stewart from Florida, a 29-year-old depth forward.

Columbus takes Ted Drury from the NY Islanders, a 29-year-old depth forward.

At the time - Bottom of the barrel here. The only other option from Florida was Ray Sheppard, who was 34, had battled injuries, and couldn't do much if he wasn't scoring.

Drury was quite literally one of two options. The Islanders had gone through a massive rebuild, and had only four total players to leave unprotected (everyone else had at least three times that number). Quite literally the only options from the Islanders were Drury and Mark Lawrence.

End result - Stewart played 54 games with the Wild, putting up 13 points. He was out of hockey just a year later.

Drury would play one single game with Columbus, putting up 0 goals, 0 assists, and a -3.

Minor win for Minnesota.

For the forward and freestyle rounds, Minnesota takes a 7-6-2 edge, but Columbus had a huge win with the Sanderson pick.

Overall, Minnesota has a 12-8-6 edge.

I'll add final thoughts in a minute.
 

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Final thoughts

The first question that needs answered is "what is the purpose of an expansion draft?" The likelihood of finding a long-term solution in an expansion draft is fairly remote, although this is highly variable depending on the parameters. Tampa Bay had a great pickup in 1992 with Brian Bradley, who was the 36th of 42 players taken. Florida got John Vanbiesbrouck and Scott Mellanby in 1993, along with Anaheim getting Guy Hebert. Nashville got Tomas Vokoun in 1998; they also got Andrew Brunette, but got impatient and traded him a year later before he'd break through. Atlanta got no one, partly due to Nashville being able to pick over some good players the year prior and partly because Don Waddell was the GM.

Nashville was able to get some more from the trades surrounding the draft. Kimmo Timonen was picked up in exchange for not taking Garry Galley, Sergei Krivokrasov for not taking Chris Terreri, and Darren Turcotte and a 2nd-rounder for not taking Jamie McLennan. They also got a 2nd-rounder for selecting Mike Richter and then seeing him re-sign with the Rangers.

Ultimately though, the odds of being able to get a long-term asset in the expansion draft itself is a longshot. It's the pre-draft trades, the passthrough deals, and what exactly the acquired assets can be converted into that represent the chance to break through as a legitimate franchise.

This is also where development takes over. Prospects taken in an expansion draft aren't exactly blue-chippers, so the guys who are available normally fall into one of these categories:
- Overseas, no sign of coming over
- Couldn't stick in the NHL
- Couldn't produce in the NHL
- One dimensional
- Chronically injured

Minnesota was able to get a couple of these guys and turn them into useful players, Columbus really wasn't.

The other big part is to look at the entirety of what you're getting. Even with no trades being made, a team is leaving the draft with over 20 actual tangible assets. None of them really project to be long-term guys, so the idea of keeping them long enough to maximize their value and then trade them is what makes the most sense.

This is where most of Minnesota's forward picks and a lot of Columbus' overall picks would fall short. Out of every asset that you can leave the expansion draft with, a 2nd-round pick would slot on anyone's three best assets. Neither team took Mark Messier. Players who had shown that they could stick in the NHL make sense; even if they're injured, they hold value when healthy. Picks like Jeff Daw and Jeff Nielsen made little sense at the time; their ceiling was nothing and the likelihood of being able to be converted into something was basically nothing as well. These are wasted picks.

But, back to the 2000 draft itself...

The best pick of all was unquestionably Geoff Sanderson, not only for his actual production but for the additional assets picked up while getting him.

The worst pick is a tough call. I'd go with either Steffan Nilsson or Jeff Daw, both picks by Minnesota. Jeff Nielsen probably belongs in there somewhere.

Best under-the-radar pick would be Filip Kuba.

Most unexpected flameout would be Dallas Drake, not just because he didn't sign but because Columbus would get nothing for him at all. There's the possibility that this was a passthrough deal that fell through, but I've never heard anything about it.

Turning something into nothing is Steve Heinze; he rediscovers his scoring touch, then gets traded for a draft pick that's completely wasted (Per Mars).

All told, Minnesota emerged from the expansion draft ahead of Columbus, although I don't think the difference between the two was necessarily a big one. What made the difference in the early years was:
- Jacques Lemaire coaching Minnesota, Dave King coaching Columbus
- Doug MacLean running the show in Columbus; his poor drafting would have squandered assets even if he'd acquired them
- Poor development in Columbus
- Minnesota was able to slot both an 18-year-old Marian Gaborik and a 19-year-old Nick Schultz into the lineup in the first two years; Columbus had no one like that
 

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THanks for all the work on that.

I agree on overall summary. Minnesota had a plan from the beginning on who they wanted to be, how they needed to play, plus had the Front Office and Coach on the same page plus by winning the coin flip got Gabby.

Columbus was just a hot mess. We played well enough in the first year and IDWT was such a salesman that he somehow convinced Mr Mac that we could win early. So instead of building block by block we kept trying to jump into free agents to solve problems (let's fix the d-corps and sign Lachance, get more defensive forwards so get rid of Whitney, etc). Just a complete mess ran by a guy who was passionate, but was surrounded by yes men who allowed the franchise to be a complete joke.
 

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How is Kevyn Adams not a huge win? Highly valued checker who was traded for a lot of good scorers in his career.

And if you're going to say that it didn't matter to us because Dougie didn't resign Whitney, well that just makes it normal for the expansion draft. The shelf life of nearly every player taken in the expansion draft was just a few years or less. The draft didn't have a huge long-term effect on either Minnesota or Columbus - what screwed us was Dougie's entry drafting.

Edit: You're referring to Adams as a "poor pick" because Garry Valk and Alyn McCauley were available? I think you mean "might have been perceived as a poor pick at the time but clearly a good pick in retrospect"?

Adams was half of that deal, not the whole thing. He put up 8 goals and 20 points, then was traded. Whitney played two seasons in Columbus and then was lost for nothing.

It ends up as 151 games of Whitney, 45 goals and 95 assists (140 points). Adams had 66 games, 8 goals and 12 assists (20 points).

Minnesota drafted Darby Hendrickson; he had 182 games, 29 goals and 31 assists (60 points). He was then half of a trade for a draft pick that was traded straight up for Todd White; White in Minnesota had 138 games, 32 goals and 52 assists (84 points). Minnesota reaped the benefits through 2007. The deal was Hendrickson and an 8th-rounder for a 4th, so he was obviously a bit more than half of the trade.

I don't refer to Hendrickson as a "huge win" for Minnesota, even though they got an extra three years out of that chain that Columbus did not.

Meanwhile, Alyn McCauley would stick in the NHL full-time in 2001-02 and would be a major part of a trade for Owen Nolan (after putting up 15 points in 20 playoff games with Toronto). With an expanded role in San Jose, McCauley would hit 20 goals and 47 points while playing suffocating defense. He'd get shuffled down the lineup when Joe Thornton arrived, and he'd end up suffering a knee injury shortly afterward that forced his retirement.
 

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MB, thanks for all the posts they really are entertaining to read.

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I think it's really interesting when you look at the players that were exposed and how many were on the back ends of their careers (many 35+ years old) but still played useful roles and meaningful seasons after that draft. It's a statement on how much the game has changed. There really are fewer elder statesmen around these days that can keep up with the frenetic pace of the game (see Tampa play style).
 

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MB, thanks for all the posts they really are entertaining to read.

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I think it's really interesting when you look at the players that were exposed and how many were on the back ends of their careers (many 35+ years old) but still played useful roles and meaningful seasons after that draft. It's a statement on how much the game has changed. There really are fewer elder statesmen around these days that can keep up with the frenetic pace of the game (see Tampa play style).

Common refrain from the D:

 
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