Inactive Franchise.

[Skidooboy]

what is an inactive franchis?


if as is currently being reported…..the Phoenix coyotes franchise is indeed made “inactive“ for the next five years or more while the league searches for a new Phoenix owner/Murrllo builds a rink…

this means that apparently, a franchise in the NHL is no longer always a franchise no matter where it is…

a new precedent for NHL Franchise and what that word means is now set.

Does that open the door to Winnipeg being able to eliminate the thrashers from our franchise history and reclaim Winnipeg Jets 1.0 history? this has happened with Both NBA and NFL… is the NHL doing this?

furthermore, what happens to Atlanta if they get another expansion team would they be able to have both the flames and the thrashers history on their books?

what is the NHL doing here? discuss.

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[jigglysquishy]

Does that open the door to Winnipeg being able to eliminate the thrashers from our franchise history and reclaim Winnipeg Jets 1.0 history? this has happened with Both NBA and NFL… is the NHL

I would love this so much.

Formally give the Sens the OG Sens records.

Give the Canucks the Millionaires records.

Give the Wild the North Stars records.

It's a game. Just let fans enjoy their city's history. Why would Salt Lake City people care about Hull and Hawerchuk? Why would Winnipeg people care about Kovalchuk?

 

[Skidooboy]

I would love this so much.

Formally give the Sens the OG Sens records.

Give the Canucks the Millionaires records.

Give the Wild the North Stars records.

It's a game. Just let fans enjoy their city's history. Why would Salt Lake City people care about Hull and Hawerchuk? Why would Winnipeg people care about Kovalchuk?

except the Sens were never an NHL team nor were the Millionaires so not really relevant to this discussion,

 

[jigglysquishy]

except the Sens were never an NHL team nor were the Millionaires so not really relevant to this discussion,

The original Senators played in the NHL from 1910 until 1934.

The Millionaires played in the PCHA, which was formally absorbed into the NHL.

 

[BB79]

Whenever a team relocates, as far as I'm concerned, they should be forced to leave every little bit of their previous identity behind. The Hurricanes wearing Whalers jerseys is a joke. Same with Avs wearing Nordiques logos. So you want to leave the city you originated from yet make money off of your previous identity? F off. That name, logo, jersey belongs to Hartford/Quebec. Once you relocate, you shouldn't be allowed to use the jersey or logo of your former identity ever again. It stays with the city.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The idea of an inactive franchise is that someone owns the rights to an NHL team, but that team is not currently active in the league.

This isn’t common in major league sports, but it does happen in the minor leagues. Perhaps a team gets kicked out of its arena and has nowhere to go the following season. The owner still owns that team and the league doesn’t have any grounds to fold the franchise. So they just take some time off, going inactive.

This is of course more difficult at the NHL level because of how player contracts are handled. The owners will need to come up with rules on how to re-stock the team when it comes back… presumably through a draft, but who knows what the exact rules will be. The point is the team still exists on paper and there is a plan for them to come back, not as an expansion team but as the re-activation of that franchise which has existed all along.

 

[Skidooboy]

The original Senators played in the NHL from 1910 until 1934.

The Millionaires played in the PCHA, which was formally absorbed into the NHL.

whoops right… about the Sens i forgot…although the millionaires were never an active NHL team

 

[Jetsfan79]

The Millionaires played in the PCHA, which was formally absorbed into the NHL.

That logic only makes sense if Winnipeg Jets records from the WHA team carried over when the NHL absorbed them. They didn't. Unless you also think the WHA Jets records should also count as Jets franchise history along with Jets 1.0 and 2.0?

 

[BruinsFan37]

Original Ottawa Senators went inactive for the 1931-32 NHL Season, citing financial reasons. They came back the following year. Players "on loan" to existing teams were returned to them.

Original Philly team (Quakers) went inactive the same year for the same reasons -- but didn't return and was formally folded 5 years later.

 

[Skidooboy]

The idea of an inactive franchise is that someone owns the rights to an NHL team, but that team is not currently active in the league.

This isn’t common in major league sports, but it does happen in the minor leagues. Perhaps a team gets kicked out of its arena and has nowhere to go the following season. The owner still owns that team and the league doesn’t have any grounds to fold the franchise. So they just take some time off, going inactive.

This is of course more difficult at the NHL level because of how player contracts are handled. The owners will need to come up with rules on how to re-stock the team when it comes back… presumably through a draft, but who knows what the exact rules will be. The point is the team still exists on paper and there is a plan for them to come back, not as an expansion team but as the re-activation of that franchise which has existed all along.

sure except none of that is actually true. you basically made it up.

because the NHL doesn’t have any rules about this.

The rule is and has been “the franchise is the franchise” The Jets aren’t the Jets 1.0 they are the thrashers. The Flames are the Atlanta Flames , The Avs are the Nordiques etc….

now suddenly that isn’t true….

the Coyotes are the Inactive Coyotes … and somehow, Utah is Utah…..with all the coyotes contracts and players and any staff they want, like all previous relocations, but the franchise stays and Utah is NOT a new expansion?

this is a whole new thing for the NHL… and there has been no explanation as to what it means.

as i said… a new precedent. i think a few teams should be lobbying to flip the “franchise history” label right now.

 

[T REX]

Have a slightly different take. The records should stay with City X. For example...in the NFL the Browns stayed the Browns. And Baltimore became Bmore. I think that is the way to go. If a franchise is brought back to City X then the original stats belong to that city. No carry over.

EDIT: The NFL hasn't been consistent on this apparently...IE Colts. So. I am torn.

 

[jigglysquishy]

That logic only makes sense if Winnipeg Jets records from the WHA team carried over when the NHL absorbed them. They didn't. Unless you also think the WHA Jets records should also count as Jets franchise history along with Jets 1.0 and 2.0?

100%. Why not? They absorbed the league. The Jets have Hull's number in the rafters for his time in the WHA.

The NBA absorbed ABA records.

 

[Jetsfan79]

To me the easy reconciliation of this is for the NHL to include a new classification of NHL records . NHL city records and team lineage records.

 

[Skidooboy]

That logic only makes sense if Winnipeg Jets records from the WHA team carried over when the NHL absorbed them. They didn't. Unless you also think the WHA Jets records should also count as Jets franchise history along with Jets 1.0 and 2.0?

yeah only NHL records can be officially attached to NHL teams….

celebrate pre NHL history as Van and Wpg etc do already… but i’m talking about. the NHL franchise records.

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[Jetsfan79]

100%. Why not? They absorbed the league. The Jets have Hull's number in the rafters for his time in the WHA.

The NBA absorbed ABA records.

I'm undecided about that but I see your point. I just see them as 2 different leagues though . Hypothetical if the CFL was absorbed into the NFL, do the CFL records get blended in with NFL records?

 

[Skidooboy]

100%. Why not? They absorbed the league. The Jets have Hull's number in the rafters for his time in the WHA.

The NBA absorbed ABA records.

the TNSE had to create the Manitoba Hockey Hall Of Fame as a separate entity (on paper only) to get around that… but it’s not really what I mean…
the NHL record book is what i’m talking about. Hawerchuck and Selanne are Coyotees players in the books right now.

this AZ /SLC thing complicated that even more.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I'm undecided about that but I see your point. I just see them as 2 different leagues though . Hypothetical if the CFL was absorbed into the NFL, do the CFL records get blended in with NFL records?

CFL isn't major pro. WHL, PCHA, and WHA all were.

The PCHA and WHL competed for the Stanley Cup for 15 years.

 

[Drake1588]

OP, you're fixated on this idea that the NHL has to be consistent. Why?

They've generally done it one way for teams that relocate, but they're going to do this in a different way due to unique circumstances: They recognize the need for this team to relocate in the present, but want to signal that they intend to return to the market ASAP.

Inconsistency, calling an audible, and doing it differently in a one-off to suit unique circumstances in the Phoenix/Arizona market is exactly what the league is proposing to do here. The one isn't going to establish a precedent that leads to retroactive changes in how franchise histories travel (e.g. moving with the franchise versus staying with the city in which it was earned). Why not change everything with all other relocated teams? Well, because the league doesn't have a problem with inconsistency.

 

[T REX]

100%. Why not? They absorbed the league. The Jets have Hull's number in the rafters for his time in the WHA.

The NBA absorbed ABA records.

This is false. ABA stats are NOT recognized by the NBA

 

[The Panther]

"Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify, because the players are always changing, the team can move to another city. You're actually rooting for the clothes, when you get right down to it. . . . You are standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt; they hate him now. Boo! Different shirt! Boo!"

--JERRY SEINFELD​

 

[Jetsfan79]

CFL isn't major pro. WHL, PCHA, and WHA all were.

The PCHA and WHL competed for the Stanley Cup for 15 years.

Point taken. But WHA Jets didn't play for the Stanley Cup.

For a while in the past , the difference between the CFL and NFL was allot closer. They were considered competing leagues. Similar to WHA and NHL. What is a measurable definition of "major league". ? I don't think think it's clear cut. Especially when you consider the status of what's major or minor can change over time from a historical perspective.

 

[The Panther]

Yes, asking the NHL to do things consistently or intelligently is clearly an unrealistic goal. I mean, let's be reality.

This is the league that:
-- allowed spiteful owners to deny major Cdn. franchises (Vancouver in 1967) a revenue-generating NHL team to save their TV profits for retirement homes in Florida
-- disavowed the WHA's existence and wiped it from the record books, but then wouldn't allow first-year NHLers (aged 18-19) to qualify as "rookies" because they'd played in the WHA
-- allowed a 31-year-old who'd spent 10 years on the world's best team to qualify as a "rookie" in his first NHL season (thus taking the Calder from 19-year-old Mike Modano)
-- wouldn't support a playoff official after a coach verbally assaulted him (on camera), called him a "fat pig" (with accordant expletives), and memorably told him to "eat another donut".
-- allowed minor-hockey "officials", who could barely skate, to officiate a major NHL playoff game
-- Waited 20 years to deal with too-low scoring and the fact that the game was boring and all the best players were routinely getting injured
-- created a points / standings' system that no one can understand and where one team "loses" but doesn't get a "loss" in the standings, and where some games count for three points and others for two
-- Killed rivalries by scheduling games to ensure that natural and traditional rivals play each other as little as possible

 

[Toby91ca]

except the Sens were never an NHL team nor were the Millionaires so not really relevant to this discussion,

The Sens were never an NHL team? What are you talking about?

 

[End on a Hinote]

except the Sens were never an NHL team nor were the Millionaires so not really relevant to this discussion,

They were. They were not only the very first NHL team to win the Cup in 1927, they were the only non O6 team to win it until the '74 Flyers

 

[God]

I would love if they did that. The old Jets records should be the new Jets records, and when the NHL goes back to Phoenix, those records should be theirs as well.

It would be funny to see a Vancouver Millionaires cup banner in Rogers but I wouldn't ever think celebrate that because celebrating cup wins that happened when I wasn't/barely alive is super cringe.