DownFromNJ said:
Florida's population is 17 million people. Canada's is 32 million. Ameican teams need to sell 70% of the tickets that a Canadian team needs to sell.
I don't care if Canada gets "shafted". Its bad for business and therefore bad for the NHL to have more franchises in Canada. Until Canada's economy improves significantly, American franchises are simply superior.
I'll remind you that in the past ten years, in which the number of Canadian teams has dropped, the league has been on a wreckless spiral of financial loss.
It's time to bring out the simple analogy. If I want to sell a few bags of dog food, which "market" is better - a group of a thousand bird owners, or a group of five dog owners? Here's a real noodle scratcher, eh?
The fact is population is an important factor in the success of hockey teams, but not the determining one. It's not about how many people live outside the arena, it's about how many are inside, filling the seats.
And finally - if you think for a minute that two teams of equal ticket demand, one Canadian and one American, that the prices are identical, each in their respective currency, you are ignorant and quite probably in denial. Canadians pay more in Canadian dollars than Americans do in American dollars - pretty damn reasonable arrangement. Also, I'd like to remind you that the Canadian economy is far better than the American economy at the moment. Just because our dollars are worth less doesn't mean we don't have more of them in comparasin.
nomorekids said:
i agree with you, and personally don't think ANY teams should be contracted. It's just a few clowns who think all of hockey's problems coincide with expansion. shrug.
The fact is that the NHL expanded too fast. Does that mean expansion is the answer? No, because elminating a team isn't turning back the clock.
nomorekids said:
I don't need to, because any rational person knows that contraction would be a step backwards. And where are you getting your information? Revenues "shouldn't matter?" Only attendance should? That's called "cut to fit," in relation to your objectives. Hockey is a business...so not only do revenues "matter," they're EVERYTHING. If an owner is making money off of 14,000 a night...it doesn't matter to him how he gets it. Similarly, if a team sells out every night and is losing millions of dollars(as in the case of a couple of the Canadian teams,) then there's a problem. At the bottom of this, though, is the fact that neither the owners nor the players would support contraction. It would do nothing to improve the game, and wouldn only stunt the growth. You're quick to judge some of these teams as "failures," by the way. How can you gauge the success or failure of a team in such a short period of time? A period of time in which the on-ice product was mostly bad? Of course teams in new, non-traditional markets will struggle with attendance..when they're LOSING...but...as I mentioned earlier..so did the Red Wings. So did the Canucks. So did the Flames. When teams like Nashville, Columbus and Atlanta are putting out perennial contenders(which, through excellent drafting, all three likely will, eventually) THEN you can judge...if the attendance still isn't good. Give these markets a chance before you want them whisked back to a city that had poor attendance to start with(Winnipeg). Besides, the whole face of the situation will change if and WHEN this lockout is over and a more favorable CBA is in place.
First off, Columbus isn't doing poorly by anyone's standards, so I'm not sure what to say here.
Second, I don't understand what your vendetta with Winnipeg is, but I can't imagine defending Atlanta and badmouthing Winnipeg. How are the two cities in much different situations NHL-wise?
Regardless, comparing clubs like the Wings, Nucks and Flames to the Preds, Thrashers and, say, the Canes is ridiculous. The latter three have troubles selling tickets even when they're doing well. Hell, the Bolts had troubles selling tickets for the playoffs, going out on a Cup-winning run and having the best record in the conference for the season. If people don't like the sport, the league shouldn't lose money to keep a team where it's not wanted. A lot of you Americans need to understand that just because your team is failing doesn't mean you're not allowed to like hockey.
After all, what do Winnipeggers do when they wanna watch hockey? Think about that for a minute.
oilerlova said:
Now Tampa might make more money becasue of tv contracts etc but u can't tell me that things like that don't matter.
Ahh, here's the rub. See, you're completely wrong in this point, actually - no American team makes anything worthwhile off television. Canadians, however, flock to televised TV. Both the Stanley and World Cup finals drew in over 10% of the Canadian population for viewership. So in addition to rivaling any American team in terms of gate sales, Canadian teams also generate far more television revenue.
And yet it's a bad financial idea? ********.
nomorekids said:
haha, good luck trying to pay players in monopoly--er, canadian money.
Haha good luck being racist.
It really is too much for us to expect that a game we invented, a game that we coach and a game we play actually be played in our own country.
MooseHunter said:
And nomorekids, I agree with you. Winnipeg will get one, but it needs to be in the right circumstances. Although one thing a new owner of a franchise here wouldn't need to worry about is a new arena. New one's opening in November.
I'm curious, what's going into the new arena right now anyway? Just the Moose?
I'm just curious because as a Torontonian it seems like a familiar situation.
We've got both the ACC and Ricoh empty for the year, and Eugene Melnyk is trying to get the rights to the Gardens or build a new arena in Downsview for the Majors.