OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLI: It's August

[Lempo]

I was shaken off my rockers the other day on a shitposting forum where a guy haphazardly made a nasty remark that throughout the history, only free men were allowed to carry a weapon.

A bucket of cold water and then some.

 

[MinJaBen]

When the constitution was written, most individuals owned better arms (rifles) than the military regulars (smooth bores).
It's literally how many British officers were killed at standoff ranges by militia members.

I'd like to see a source for this "most" statistic.

 

[MinJaBen]

Prigozhin is dead. Plane crash in Russia.


Shocked....






...that he lived this long.

 

[Derailed75]

Now do Elijah McClain.

Anything I typed claimed there isn't racism and racist acts.

Just the in the case the media force feed the nation a black on white hate crime that never really happened and when it was really there they doubled down

 

[cptjeff]

Prigozhin is dead. Plane crash in Russia.


Shocked....






...that he lived this long.

"Plane crash" is an odd way of saying "shot down by Russian SAMs".

I'm with ya. Shocked he lasted this long.

 

[MinJaBen]

"Plane crash" is an odd way of saying "shot down by Russian SAMs".

I'm with ya. Shocked he lasted this long.

Yeah, I went with the BBC description of "crashed". I then looked on twitter and there is video of the plane falling to the ground and what looks like evidence of a missile explosion up above the descending aircraft.

 

[raynman]

And Popeyes chicken sandwich is even better than Chick-fil-A.

Uh, oh, NOW we're about to get into a controversial topic that's sure to get the thread locked down!

They’re all pretty close in my opinion when they’re all on top of their game but I’d go KFC, Chick-fil-A spicy chicken sandwich, then Popeyes. Though many times I would go with Chick-fil-A simply because it was always the same, always relatively quick, and always good. Though our Chick-fil-A is in the literal worst place ever for a busy restaurant so you have to hit it at the right time.

 

[cptjeff]

Yeah, I went with the BBC description of "crashed". I then looked on twitter and there is video of the plane falling to the ground and what looks like evidence of a missile explosion up above the descending aircraft.

It's also what TASS is going with. They're apparently also going to have their version of the FAA investigate this weird and inexplicable mechanical mishap! I'm sure their best people will be right on it.

 

[Lempo]

Prigozhin is dead. Plane crash in Russia.


Shocked....






...that he lived this long.

He's been dead for weeks, this is just how they make it official.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Utkin too. A couple of bloodthirsty pricks. Probably the rest of Wagner leadership as well.

Will be interesting to see the knock on effects of this.

He's been dead for weeks, this is just how they make it official.

He was in a video from Africa two days ago, allegedly.

 

[SlavinAway]

No the devisive part was taking a side in a racial issue solely because it was a racial issue. There was no evidence of what happened at the time. George Zimmerman absolutely looks Hispanic and not a word of what you posted was backed by evidence, also not a bit of what Zimmerman claimed happened was backed by evidence either, to be fair. So either of us posting what happened is speculation and heresy.

What we do know is a Hispanic person shot a black person, the media tried to make it into a black white issue, and the then President who was black flanned the flames by taking a side before getting info.

Obama didn't publicly address the incident until 3-4 weeks after the shooting occurred. He had been under serious pressure from party and black community leaders to answer why he hadn't addressed it yet. Not like he was banging a gavel the next day to lock George up.

"This is a tragedy, I can only imagine what these parents are going through; and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate this to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.... But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin; you know if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

Hard to not take the "divisive" part as showing empathy towards a community that is mourning an event through a very complicated set of experiences and history.

 

[Lempo]

He was in a video from Africa two days ago, allegedly.

Yes. Funny that a dead man walking should die just two days after he has explicitly been on record to be alive.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Yes. Funny that a dead man walking should die just two days after he has explicitly been on record to be alive.

Nah. Plenty of corroboration that he was in Bamako three days ago -- and no need to cover up the circumstances of his death anyway.

If this is what it looks like, Putin waited until all of the Wagner leadership was in one place and then made a decapitation strike at the org.

 

[Derailed75]

Obama didn't publicly address the incident until 3-4 weeks after the shooting occurred. He had been under serious pressure from party and black community leaders to answer why he hadn't addressed it yet. Not like he was banging a gavel the next day to lock George up.

"This is a tragedy, I can only imagine what these parents are going through; and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate this to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.... But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin; you know if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

Hard to not take the "divisive" part as showing empathy towards a community that is mourning an event through a very complicated set of experiences and history.

And pretty easy to take it as divisive when the media (ran by proponents of the same political party as the president) are making up a race so they can demonize the other community.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Going back to the Zimmerman/Martin thing he said that Martin "could have been his son" before getting any info on what actually happened, when the media was still pushing the white killed a black angle

Several things:

1) the "could have been my son" quote is from July 2013, in prepared remarks delivered after Zimmerman's not guilty verdict. However, Obama claims,.in said prepared remarks, that his personal reaction was Martin "could have been my son".
2) Obama initially did not publicly comment on Zimmerman killing Martin, not saying anything until March 23, 2012, over 5 weeks after the shooting. It was here he said "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin", while otherwise urging patience and to let the justice system work.
3) In his July 2013 prepared remarks, Obama clarified the "could have been my son" with the following paragraph:

You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

He's referring to the fact that Zimmerman saw a black teenager, called the cops, then went out to follow him. Whether you think Zimmerman should have been charged in a court of law or not- everyone agrees that is what happened initially.

4) In any case- what is wrong with that quote?

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I might pour a shot in celebration upon confirmation.

Should have gone for the head *shrug*.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I mean, I already knew this, but it is nice you came out and admitted it.



Boilerplate social conservatism, with mild hyperbole and vagary, respectively, to avoid being fact checked (assuming the second is kvetching about trans people).

I'm not sure what that means, other than perhaps a version of "We are telling you what you are experiencing, and complaining about is indeed NOT happening, so stop talking about it". Which seems to be the go-to move rather than actually defending what is being done.

Like I've pointed out before- we all got to see what our kids were being taught first hand when they were forced to go to school in their bedrooms. That's when this pushback started in earnest.

Listen i agree with you, however in case I forgot to use the sarcasm font. My point t was the last 2 Dem/Rep candidates were just as f***ing insane as King Racoon or whatever his name was that ran as a Libertarian.

I mean sure they pretend to be normal people but they are complete nut jobs

Oh, lol, sry that went over my head. Yeah I get it. F all the parties.

And I'm not one of these Republicans who switched to Libertarian. I have never been a member of the GOP. I mean, I HATE the GOP. I loved Reagan as a kid but didn't even vote until 2004 because I didn't see much difference between both parties in the 1990s despite Clinton and Gingrich bickering constantly on TV. And then I felt shame as I voted for Bush in 2004.

Is it you or Borsig (or both?) who believe there's a civil war coming and you've threatened to shoot anyone who you believe is coming to take your guns?

Or is that not a fantasy because you believe it to be true?

Or, if we really wanted to cross that line, we can always talk about reprisal when it comes to humanity's ultimate fantasy: religion.

I don't think either of us have "threatened" anything. I may have merely pointed out that full-scale confiscation would lead to widespread sectarian violence. Which may be inevitable anyway.

But that's a different subject from what I was talking about.

Reminder that the Constitution was written when the concept of an AR-15 would have been pure fantasy and when the treatment for mental health was locking them up, ignoring them or subjecting them to horrific treatments (well, not much has changed there)

So maybe we shouldn't be treating it as the "end all, be all" in a society where the mentally unwell could have easy access to AR-15s?

One could point out that the internet was not on the Framers mind either when they wrote the 1st Amendment. And so- there is a process for ameliorating that. Repeal or replace the amendment.

Then again I don't think the Framers could imagine a society where people would be inspired to liquidate children in their classrooms.

I know everyone is hot to trot over the AR-15- but I'm old enough to remember when the demonic weapon was the "Saturday Night Special"- a cheap .38 caliber revolver available for $25 at any pawn shop to be used to plug you outside the liquor store during a mugging.

And indeed- the vast majority of gun homicides are still from pistols. Rifles of all types only account for 3%. And we run into the problem of having to quantify something in order to ban it. As I've pointed out before-they tried in 1994, banning all weapons with features lawmakers deemed "assault" (folding stock, pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc ) and so the manufacturers just made dumb looking AK-47s that were legal.

In order to ban the AR-15 or any facsimile which would be capable of causing the same number of casualties- you'd have to ban ALL semiautomatic weapons. Only manual action rifles or revolvers could remain. And then you'd still get massacres like here on the Raleigh Greenway where the kid had a shotgun.

IDK what the answer is. It all seem like toothpaste that is not going back in the tube.

 

[Derailed75]

4) In any case- what is wrong with that quote?

On its own, nothing at all. However it was made at a time when the left ran media had been pushing a racial divide agenda for quite some time. The Martin/Zimmerman made it worse and his comments added fuel to an already rampant fire.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Maybe I’m naive but I just don’t understand why people think the gov’t would actually go door to door and confiscate guns. It just doesn’t seem feasible on many levels. Something like 70 million+ people in this country own guns and certainly a large percentage of military and LEO are a part of that. Just the logistics of it all don’t make sense not taking into account the amount of people that would protect themselves in that situation

Agree. It's completely unfeasible and seems highly unlikely. Then again, they've done dumb shit like confiscated everyone's gold during the Great Depression, soooo....

But they wouldn't need to- it would start with voluntary turn in, a change of the laws to require all current gun shops to turn over records of every purchase, the collation of all records currently held by the ATF at that warehouse in West Virginia of every gun shop that has gone out of business already. And after the expensive, herculean task of matching up all the data- they could just ratchet up the pressure on the holdouts- denying you the use of credit cards, seizing your bank account, loans, turning off your utilities, getting you fired. All the stuff you need for modern living.

Kind of like "Hey we didn't force you to get the vax..."

 

[Negan4Coach]

Also, you want to go against the feds? A guy in Utah tried that a couple weeks ago. Big arsenal. He's dead now, because even with small arms the feds were much better trained. And the feds have tanks if they need them. And plenty of stuff that's much, much bigger and more powerful than those.

The idea that you resist tyranny with a rifle in the garage is lunacy. You resist tyranny by electing people who are dedicated to preserving democracy above and beyond any policy disagreements they have.

LOL, I don't think you could have picked a worse example. Some obese, crazed 80 year old who was too dumb to not post overt threats to the President on Facbook and to not yell at the FBI when they came to talk to him is who you think the resistance would be?

I was thinking more along the lines the dudes who cut power to several hundred thousand in central NC this past winter and have still not been caught. Or the folks who heisted 60K pounds of ammonium nitrate from a train and have still not been caught.

Remember- we fought a 20 year war against ground-shitting illiterates without electricity who were armed with AKs and roadside bombs with our drones and F-15s and still lost. And when the Feds and the Drone pilots have families who live alongside the insurgents in the towns instead of being safely across an ocean- it changes the whole ballgame.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Agree. It's completely unfeasible and seems highly unlikely. Then again, they've done dumb shit like confiscated everyone's gold during the Great Depression, soooo....

But they wouldn't need to- it would start with voluntary turn in, a change of the laws to require all current gun shops to turn over records of every purchase, the collation of all records currently held by the ATF at that warehouse in West Virginia of every gun shop that has gone out of business already. And after the expensive, herculean task of matching up all the data- they could just ratchet up the pressure on the holdouts- denying you the use of credit cards, seizing your bank account, loans, turning off your utilities, getting you fired. All the stuff you need for modern living.

Kind of like "Hey we didn't force you to get the vax..."

I mean, this is just never happening. Literally half the country wants citizens to have guns. Discussing even the possibility is just an exercise in fantasy violence roleplay.

 

[raynman]

Agree. It's completely unfeasible and seems highly unlikely. Then again, they've done dumb shit like confiscated everyone's gold during the Great Depression, soooo....

But they wouldn't need to- it would start with voluntary turn in, a change of the laws to require all current gun shops to turn over records of every purchase, the collation of all records currently held by the ATF at that warehouse in West Virginia of every gun shop that has gone out of business already. And after the expensive, herculean task of matching up all the data- they could just ratchet up the pressure on the holdouts- denying you the use of credit cards, seizing your bank account, loans, turning off your utilities, getting you fired. All the stuff you need for modern living.

Kind of like "Hey we didn't force you to get the vax..."

I just don’t see a certain party ever getting enough of a foothold within government at all levels to make that a reality

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Which seems to be the go-to move rather than actually defending what is being done.

Fair enough.

we're talking about "Don't make a fuss when we teach your kids about tossing salads and fisting or you're a bigot",

Let's assume this is true.

The goal of sex ed in public schools is: to prepare horny teens so that if they do engage in sexual activities, they do it in a safe way that doesn't result in an STI or pregnancy or hospital trip, right? I think that's a fair statement of objective.

And this is in a context where everyone has a magic box in their pocket that can show them all the internet porn. All of it. At any time. A modern teenagers first sexual experience is highly likely to be through this magic box.

So on the one hand, we have a program whose goal is to get yutes through their teenage years without a trip to the ER, and on the other hand, a world where said yutes are going to be exposed to a wide variety of sexual acts via the magic box.

Conclusion: those sex acts need to be contextualized.

Tossing salad is a good example. It's common in videos (or so I've been told ), and if you don't wash beforehand, you might get a parasite. So for the love of God please, if you're going to do it, wash up first.

On its own, nothing at all. However it was made at a time when the left ran media had been pushing a racial divide agenda for quite some time. The Martin/Zimmerman made it worse and his comments added fuel to an already rampant fire.

So that's not Obama being divisive, that's "the media"?

 

[Derailed75]

Fair enough.



Let's assume this is true.

The goal of sex ed in public schools is: to prepare horny teens so that if they do engage in sexual activities, they do it in a safe way that doesn't result in an STI or pregnancy or hospital trip, right? I think that's a fair statement of objective.

And this is in a context where everyone has a magic box in their pocket that can show them all the internet porn. All of it. At any time. A modern teenagers first sexual experience is highly likely to be through this magic box.

So on the hand, we have a program whose goal is to get yutes through their teenage years without a trip to the ER, and on the other hand, a world where said yutes are going to be exposed to a wide variety of sexual acts via the magic box.

Conclusion: those sex acts need to be contextualized.

Tossing salad is a good example. It's common in videos (or so I've been told ), and if you don't wash beforehand, you might get a parasite. So for the love of God please, if you're going to do it, wash up first.



So that's not Obama being divisive, that's "the media"?

The media started it yes and they were the leading factor but Obama was the POTUS and shouldnt be making comments that could cause a bigger divide in the country.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Obama was the POTUS and shouldnt be making comments that could cause a bigger divide in the country.

The comments did that, how?