Player Discussion How overpaid is Timothy Liljegren?

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He’s not overpaid, he’s just stagnating in his progression towards being a top 4 reliable defenseman.

How would you feel if he got the Sandin contract? He only has 3 less points this season. Yikes...

 

[Stephen]

How would you feel if he got the Sandin contract? He only has 3 less points this season. Yikes...

He’d get shipped off before ever being given the Sandin deal. My god.

 

[BM14]

Underpaid for how Keefe has sabotaged his career.

 

[TMLife17]

Someone was saying earlier this season we should lock him up to a 5Mx8 and it’ll be a steal.

Personally I feel he’s not the type you win a cup with. He’s a great bottom pairing defender for regular season hockey but I don’t want him back there in the playoffs.

 

[TMLAM34]

Everyone was hoping he would finally take the next step in solidifying a top four role. Unfortunately he hasn’t and he’s being exposed against strong heavy teams due to his lack of physicality. As of right now he’s more of a third pair defenceman that doesn’t really excel in anything specifically… He’s not great defensively and he’s not great offensively.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Lets start one of the threads for every player someone doesn't like

It sounds like this is a kneejerk response to the "how much is JT overpaid" thread.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

It sounds like this is a kneejerk response to the "how much is JT overpaid" thread.

Yeah but I'll take this type of stuff over the old days where we had to sit through nerds arguing about Corsi and Fenwick for half the season.

 

[Buds17]

The league must be heading toward a lockout if he's overpaid to any great extent.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It is too early to make any calls on Lily .. he has made a ton of progress in his pro career .. clearly this season has not gone as everyone has hoped .. but as I tell you guys pro D take a long time to develop and as an org we have made brutal calls too early on many D in da past .. to me I would offer him da minimum wage increase next season on a 1 year deal and see how things pan out .. if he does not accept that then he becomes a holdout .. my guess is he will accept

 

[banks]

I've been a harsh critic of Liljegren before. But there's been really good stretches from him this season.

He doesn't seem overpaid, to me.

 

[Fogelhund]

Crazy how Leaf fans pile on Dmen regularly. Kid is 24 and still learning the game.... He's done quite well most of the year, though it's been a rough patch lately. He's the second best D, in GA/60, next to Benoit on this team.

If we actually trade him, we will absolutely regret it in a few years... just no patience, and a tendency for dramatic judgement on young players. It's like you are either a star, or crap with this fanbase.

 

[robertmac43]

For now I think he is about right. That next contract is where things get interesting, he really hasn't done enough to deserve a major raise.

 

[tuckerintensity]

He's not overpaid. I think people forget he's only 24 and the majority of defencemen typically take longer to come into their own than forwards.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I understand the sentiment, but Stralman was for the most part an average NHLer. 3 seasons scoring over 30 points is decent, but TOR as a franchise can't be losing sleep over that.

I mean think of all the players let go by this club who never made it. Travis Dermott seems to be rotting in AZ right now. Stuart Percy in a Czech League, etc.

OK TOR drafted Liljegren in the 1st round (#17 OA) and didn't "hit" on him. It's ok. If he reaches average some day are they really going to regret it?

That was a weak draft. He fell for a reason.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

It was a good gamble at the draft just didn't work out

Definitely was a great gamble I thought at the time.

He really hasn’t developed anywhere near how I thought he would. His offensive abilities didn’t translate at all and I remember all the hype about his skills at the draft. Defensively he’s pretty mediocre to straight up bad like against Boston.

 

[Menzinger]

Short term rfa deals like Lilys arent exactly the type to fixate on value/contract comparisons since they're mostly made with a mix of potential/desire to gain more time to evaluate the player.

Like giving an elc to a potential bust - I'm not going to worry about it too much since part of the point of such a deal is to help their development

Lily's contract is in line with what similar unproven rfas tend to get in similar circumstances

 

[arso40]

I'm taking Benoit over Liljegren in the lineup for a playoff series. Edmundson can play the right side.

Who's gonna move the pucc both of them aren't exactly skilled with the pucc

 

[NJG]

In an 82 game season, there will be ups and downs. The last 5 games or so don’t define Liljegren.

I think you're referring to the last 5 years, not 5 games. He's been bad for a long time now. Even when he was playing "good" he wasn't anything special and still had all the same problems, he just passed a little better and shot more.

 

[aingefan]

How would you feel if he got the Sandin contract? He only has 3 less points this season. Yikes...

I don’t understand that contract, at all.

But about Lili. I’m a firm believer in the player. People saying he hasn’t developed haven’t paid attention to how he’s evolved.

Last year his partner most of the year was a declining Gio. This year, dirty play early by Marchand leaving him with a high ankle sprain, which is slow to recover. Lots of variables contribute to his inconsistent learning curve.

The narratives are currently focused on perceived flaws without that context . The same will likely apply with playoff narratives- where he’s played a grand total of 7 games.

It’ll be a shame if he gets run outta town right when he’s liable to blossom.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Who's gonna move the pucc both of them aren't exactly skilled with the pucc

Who was VGK 's bottom pairing last season? Was it Karlsson and Makar?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I don’t understand that contract, at all.

But about Lili. I’m a firm believer in the player. People saying he hasn’t developed haven’t paid attention to how he’s evolved.

Last year his partner most of the year was a declining Gio. This year, dirty play early by Marchand leaving him with a high ankle sprain, which is slow to recover. Lots of variables contribute to his inconsistent learning curve.

The narratives are currently focused on perceived flaws without that context . The same will likely apply with playoff narratives- where he’s played a grand total of 7 games.

It’ll be a shame if he gets run outta town right when he’s liable to blossom.

The reason that Liljegren struggled is due to Giordano? And this year it's Marchant? Now you're preemptively blaming the fans? At least you're consistent.

 

[NJG]

The reason that Liljegren struggled is due to Giordano? And this year it's Marchant? Now you're preemptively blaming the fans? At least you're consistent.

The gymnastics is Olympic worthy.

 

[hamzarocks]

You cant be overpaid at 1.4M

If he gets 3.5-4M next deal and stays the same as he is then hell be overpaid

 

[TMLife17]

You cant be overpaid at 1.4M

This summer proved that to be false (Reaves)

 

[Da Mash]

Are we serious here complaining about Lilly’s salary. OMG some really need to get some sun

What has the kid played just over 2 season of games ? Guess his development is over.

He plays a avg of over 19 mins a game and he is overpaid? Reaves plays what 6 mins and is a plug and can’t skate and is constantly a minus player