Slats432
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I also saw Kesler and he was good, but Ellis made him look better than he was.montreal25m said:
Hockey's Future's Top 50 Prospects: 26-50
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Hey George, I know you said Jessiman was a guy who just missed the cut but I'm interested as to if Balej was also on the cusp of the list as I don't expect him amoung your top 25.
Roughneck
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Well, Ryan Miller has probably seen one of the biggest drops of any prospect. Wasn't he ranked #2 a couple years ago?
Jovanovski = Norris said:
I'd leave Sjostrom off the disappointing bust list. He's had a very reasonable start to his NHL career.. his goalscoring matches that of Hemsky for example.
As for Deslauriers, there's a mistake or misleading implication in his write-up. He wasnt beaten out by just Fleury for the WJC's but by Leneveu too.
Sorry, I'm not picking on Oiler prospects but I'd like the list a lot better if Richards and Schremp were swapped.
Oh and I think Ballard may be a little high.. not sure if he is better than some dmen behind him.
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George Bachul said:I am impressed, I thought the venom would be worse....but aside from the Kesler debate, it has all been very mild
As a cross section of a panel and input from a dozen people, you won't get everyone who thinks the same way about every prospect.
And Evilo, Whitney didn't have a great start to the season, it was actually pretty terrible, although that wasn't taken into account in the rankings.
Which makes Whitney's placement all the more confusing.
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montreal25m said:
Schremp was a point-per-game player on the Icedogs when they were still a fairly wretched team. Now that he's on the deepest team in the league, he's still well over a point-per-game. What more can he do? He's improved his defense, his attitude "problems" seem to be a non-issue, and he has the confidence of his coach. IMO, he's doing everything he can to prove his critics wrong and make it at the next level. He's no Dan Cleary, who might as well be called the "Tin Man." All skill, no drive or heart.
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Roughneck said:
I know posters like Vlad don't care for him, but I think his development has been mis-managed by the Sabres. He's been stuck behind Biron and Noronen for a few years now, when at the very least he should be a back-up at the NHL level. I think he's sick of it. He either needs to be the man, or get traded.
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19bruins19 said:
New players get added, like Ovechkin, Malkin etc. That causes part of the drop.
a couple of issues ...
1. Schremp
I don't agree with posters who argue that Schremp's numbers are inflated because of the team he's playing on. Schremp's production is a cause of his team's performance, not a result of it. Perry is lighting it up, yes, but Dale Hunter didn't even have Robbie playing with Perry until very recently. Factor that with Schremp's efforts to become a more complete player - which Hunter has applauded him for - and his high ranking is justified ... And if he eventually makes the USA squad, all arguments about his not being named in the first 12 are moot points - again, Dale Hunter has suggested he'll utlimately be there.
2. Derek Roy
Dissappointed to see Roy listed near the bottom of the list. He's put up huge points wherever he's played, and he forced Sabres' hand to deal a reliable, established 3rd liner in Curtis Brown. Not bad for a 21 year old who made a seamless transition to the pros, posting a point per game in the AHL - something he's continued to do this year. 19 pts in a 49 game tryout for the Sabres is impressive, considering the defensive role he was playing. With all due respect to Perry, Fehr, Ladd, and Getzlaf - Roy has taken his production to the pro level, and I think that merits a higher ranking.
1. Schremp
I don't agree with posters who argue that Schremp's numbers are inflated because of the team he's playing on. Schremp's production is a cause of his team's performance, not a result of it. Perry is lighting it up, yes, but Dale Hunter didn't even have Robbie playing with Perry until very recently. Factor that with Schremp's efforts to become a more complete player - which Hunter has applauded him for - and his high ranking is justified ... And if he eventually makes the USA squad, all arguments about his not being named in the first 12 are moot points - again, Dale Hunter has suggested he'll utlimately be there.
2. Derek Roy
Dissappointed to see Roy listed near the bottom of the list. He's put up huge points wherever he's played, and he forced Sabres' hand to deal a reliable, established 3rd liner in Curtis Brown. Not bad for a 21 year old who made a seamless transition to the pros, posting a point per game in the AHL - something he's continued to do this year. 19 pts in a 49 game tryout for the Sabres is impressive, considering the defensive role he was playing. With all due respect to Perry, Fehr, Ladd, and Getzlaf - Roy has taken his production to the pro level, and I think that merits a higher ranking.
Leafaholix said:
I have no idea what you are talking about anymore. I wasn't talking about Kesler and I have no idea why you are obsessed with Kesler's rankings.
We're talking about Steen and I called your bluff that "there are no 35 prospects who are better than Steen." That was all. Steen is great but there are ~40 prospects who are just as good as him if not better.
Leafaholix said:
I think we all realize Steen is an excellent prospect with a better offensive ceiling than that of Kesler's but you gotta stop making crap up.
Kesler is 3 inches and 20 pounds bigger than Steen.
Kesler is six months younger than Steen.
Kesler is a little more physical than Steen.
They are on par defensively but Kesler has proven it in the NHL.
Kesler led his WJC team to a gold medal.
They are on par in the leadership department but Kesler has a gold medal, a colllege resume and 28 NHL games to show for it.
To say """Kesler really has nothing else on Steen""" is a pretty blatant lie.
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Safe to say, most of us could probably see what was coming after the Organizational Rankings, so there's nothing here that's a surprise.George Bachul said:
Jovanovski = Norris said:
Again, its not like Steen is a midget. Size isnt an issue here. Six months younger? Big wow. He's a 3rd liner, so he certainly probably should be a little more physical. He played a grand total of 28 NHL games, mostly on the 4th line. Doesn't prove anything.
The whole team struggled at first, but Whitney has played very well lately, and WB is feeling much better as well.George Bachul said:
That said, if it's not even taken into account, what could he have done to be ranked higher?
1- Leading his team in scoring as a defenseman? What other offensive Dmen have done it last year?
2- Being a key component to lead his team to the Calder Cup finals as a complete rookie for his first pro games? Who else did it?
Really I think it's the biggest mistake of the list by far (for the first part at least).
Seems to me that with Malkin and Fleury being pretty high, Whitney flew under the radar.
Really what has Eminger (not that I have anything against him) done to warrant being that many spots ahead of Whitney?
Bah, the good thing is that these rankings don't mean anything, and I'm pretty sure Whitney will be a better Dman than the others on this list and that's what matters...
Did Welch get some consideration BTW?
Til the End of Time
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Good list overall, and I appreciate all the work folks put into it.
Found this quote a little funny though...
Found this quote a little funny though...
Isn't that the biggest knock against him?
RickyF said:
Last year's draft was really weak so that doesn't hold water. I think that as players move upwards in quality of hockey leagues their stats suffer so they end up becoming lesser prospects in these rankings.
Stevex said:
And Harding.
Deslauriers is one of the most overrated prospects on this board. He has an 8.5B rating and is in the top 50 when there are goalies similiar or better than him that probably won't get into the top 50. Niittmyki or whatever his name is, is better than JDD and has even played in some NHL games and looked good playing in the NHL.
mooseOAK said:
Really weak?
Malkin, Ovechkin, Tukonen, Thelen, Meszaros, Montoya, Schwarz, Pineault, Voloshenko, McGrath, Ladd, Picard, Olesz, Radulov, Schremp...
Hmm I don't call that really weak, some good prospects in there.
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Jovanovski = Norris said:
Steen has more upside, is a better all around prospect. Kesler had a way better team at the WJC than Steen, He played on the fouth line in the NHL, and Steen has a Sel resume under his built was one of the best players in the play offs last year for Frolunda. You have to admit it, Kesler is a good player but Steen should be ahead of him.
mooseOAK said:
I think that is pretty damn good draft...Not as weak as people say. Top heavy, yes but a few gems here and there.
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