Teams with 3:
Kings (Tukonen-40, Kopitar-14, O'Sullivan)
Ducks (Perry-30, Ryan-13, Getzlaugh)
Canes (Ladd-28, Ward, J. Johnson)
Caps (Semin, Backstrom, Fehr-48)
Bruins (Rask-26, Toivonen-16, Kessel-15)
Teams with 0:
Buffalo
Calgary
Dallas
Philadelphia
Tampa Bay
Judging by the ranking of the already known Kings and Ducks players, Getzlaugh will be 3 and O'Sullivan will be 4.
Looks like they snubbed Brian Lee...shocking to say the least.
If O'Sullivan is not ranked in the top 50 then there is soemthing wrong with whoever is making this list.
And out of curiousity, is Backstrom THAT much better then Kessel at this point. Lets say you were in a hockey pool and had the first pick overall, would you take Backstrom,Kessel or Staal?? To me its a tough choice, Staal playing with Crosby/Malkin,Kessel already signed and will play for Boston, and Backstrom the obvious center for Oveckhin, with only points counting, who is the obvious choice?
I doubt it. I mean, after all, Marc Staal and Luc Bourdon have both clearly proven that they are far better than him...
Whats the criteria to be on that list? Ward and Getzlaf dont belong on there as prospects anymore. Kessel at 15 is a bit surprising, he has skills to match any of the top guys but for whatever reason this kid doesnt get any respect.
First of all, you are right. It is very doubtful he is in the top 10, he just isn't that good. Putting him there would be wrong.
Where you are wrong is concerning Staal and Bourdon. Lee plays in an entirely different league with entirely different playstyles. Staal and Bourdon may be clearly more proven but what makes a better prospect is not who can make the NHL in whatever role first. What makes a better prospect is who will turn out to be the better NHL player. All three have the potential to be #1 defencemen, there is no arguement. Staal and Bourdon are on this list so far ahead of Lee simply because they are OHL players and get more exposure, and they are more NHL ready. That all should not be totally discarded however, I just feel that Lee will turn out to be just as good as Staal and Bourdon and possibly better. If you watch him play and take account of his skills as a hockey player then it should be obvious that he should at least be on this list.
I am aware that goalies are much different from defencemen but the sole reason Carey Price is on this list is because he projects to be a good nhl goalie and he was drafted really high. He didn't have a great season and didn't even make the WJC team, he totally sucked at the training camp. You look at Price by watching him play you know he is going to be a great NHL starter one day, not this year or maybe even next year but he will eventually. Yet he is still on this prospect list. If Price can get on this list then so should Lee. Lee obviously has the skill, he obviously has the attitude and he obviously has the hockey sense to be a great #1 defenceman in the NHL. Yet no one watches him, no one talks about him so no one cares. There is no precident for him, he was not hyped up at the draft like some of the others and he was not elbowing players during his two WJC's. As a player and his projections as a NHL player I feel he clearly belongs on this list. He just doesn't have alot of the outside help that I guess it takes to make this list. I apologize if this is too long to read, I started typing and it just kinda dragged on!
45 regular season NHL games for goalies.
65 regular season NHL games for skaters.
Can you(or somebody else) please explain why PO games aren't counted in those requirements? I don't see any reason why ONLY regular season games should count towards a prospects "games played" tally; in fact it makes absolutely ZERO sense IMO.
Among other things, the NHL does not recognize playoff games for purposes of the Calder Trophy, for scoring titles, for game-time accrued for purposes of a player's pension, etc. We use the NHL's standard for games-played. If the NHL changes their standard, we probably would also.
Now, why should playoff games be included?
Using PO games as credentials for Calder voting and Using PO games to define a prospect are NOT the same thing; and anybody with any sense of logic can tell you that. You are trying to say that the League doesn't take the PO games into account when DEFINING a rookie; and that is simply incorrect. The NHL has VERY clear definitions for what qualifies as a rookie, and they DO use PO games when defining rookies. I'd like to know why this site doesn't use the same rules as the NHL when defining prospects.
I look at it this way: a prospect is a prospect if he can still compete for the Calder. Guys like Ward, Getzlaf, Perry, Lehtonen and Semin would NOT qualify as a rookie next year and as such wouldn't qualify for the Calder voting. Therefore, why should they still be considered prospects? It simply makes no sense and your explaination is flawed.