Gags1288 said:10)Fleury- I really think he's living off of his draft position at this point.
Because he is:Vincent_TheGreat said:How the hell is Nikolai Zherdev still a prospect!!!!!!
MojoJojo said:Thats just a reflection of all hype surrounding Fleury. Most of the people who would vote in that poll have never seen all (if any) of these guys even play.
Evilo said:No I was out.
As for getting owned, I would like you to explain me how Chiodo beat out Fleury for the starting job, since Fleury played 54 games, while Chiodo played 14 (and many in the ECHL).
Really, I would like to know how I'm getting owned by stupid arguments that are disconnected from reality.
The truth, if you had followed the WB Pens which you obviously hadn't (and that would have helped you make you a DECENT opinion) was that Fleury had rather good numbers when the team started to screw up a lot.
FYI, since you seem to need a lot of explaining, goalie numbers are ALL team stats.
WB has been under average, especially defensively, and all goalie suffered from it. Chiodo (who supposedly "beat out Fleury" according to your misinformation scored a .879 savec percentage for instance).
Fleury's stats suffered from his team play.
He certainly has some things to work on, but as I said, two years ago he made a dazzling month in the NHL, and last year he set the franchise record for most wins in WB.
Evilo said:Unbelievable how much people are bandwagonners with no patience around here
People should understand that when you talk about prospects, which is the obvious talk at hockeysfuture.com, you should have patience and avoid being childish and throw some "busts" or "superstar" words every two sentences.
This post though... What the hell. What awful arguments did I use exactly? Those in glass houses.........Evilo said:Once again you use awful arguments.
For once, Fleury is criticized for not starting in front of Chiodo and having "miserable" stats, and then it's about the playoffs.
These are two different matters.
Fleury started most of the season in the AHL, and as usual, Chiodo stepped up BIG TIME in the playoffs.
Fleury was average in the playoffs, but Chiodo was once again spectacular (and this has a lot to do with the WB crowd as well, but that's another matter).
Chiodo is always twoce the player he normally is in the playoffs. He's just clutch.
It really has to do with Chiodo more than with Fleury.
Fleury didn't suddenly suck. His team was playing up and down as usual, and when Therrien tried to start Chiodo, he performed admirably.
So call me hoper all you want, but Fleury's franchise record point that he's done something Caron or Chiodo could never do. Obviously, it's also a team stat, so it's hard to say what Fleury's role is in all of this.
But if you had READ reports day and day out, you'd see Fleury has stood on his head in some games, and was under-average in others.
But he's certainly not been bad this season.
He's had the normal development of a 20 year old goalie in his first full pro season.
He's had the normal development of a 20 year old goalie in his first full pro season.
That's not true. Fleury was amazing for a whole month. He got quickly tired after that, but there's no down in his first month. Just ups.Liquidrage said:His month in the NHL wasn't amazing. It was a mega up's and down's with the end result being poor until you go "yeah, but he's young".
Yep, on the crappiest team in the NHL, with the crappiest D.Liquidrage said:The end result of Fleury's stint in the NHL was a really crappy record and a really crappy save %, and a few games and saves that made you go "wow".
Once again, you fail to see past the numbers and see the team play. What's new?Liquidrage said:In the AHL, he put up one of the worst save %'s for a starting goalie in the regular season. And in the playoffs over 4 games put up really craptastic number and was pulled because of it.
No I pointed Fleury started 54 to Chiodo's 14, which proved my point as who the started was.Liquidrage said:That you tried to point out Lehtonen only started 32 games (and looked great) to Fleury's 54 (who didn't look great), only proves my exact point that Fleury at this point and times need excuse making.
There's absolutely no reason why he should be out of the top 7.
Now give me the rookie GOALIES who had 18 stood on their heads in the National Hockey League behind the WORST defense in the league, facing 40 shots a night.
Blackburn looked great for a while, no doubt, just not as good as Fleury, nor was the D in front of him as bad.Levitate said:Dan Blackburn. Who actually looked quite good at times and not so great at others.
Fleury did have a better run than Blackburn though, I'll give you that...but Blackburn did put together some nice strings of games as a 18 year old in the NHL