Post-Game Talk: Hell Sinks In - Panthers 4, Jets 2

[KingBogo]

Either way a diminished Toby would be light years ahead of what Morrow and Kuli are brining because they are having really rough starts to the season. With Morrow I somewhat expected it because he has been been a #7 most of his NHL career to date but it’s really too bad about Kuli since he cost us allot and we are stuck with him next season. Toby had his limitations offensively but he was still one of our best defenders and a hell of a puck mover. I miss his calmness in our own end. Either way the Toby ship has sailed but I am not sure how much longer they can keep holding off on Niku but Paul can be stubborn.

Without an injury calling up either Poolman or Niku requires carrying 8 defenseman. I don't have a problem with that personally and I'd love to see Niku get a real opportunity.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Without an injury calling up either Poolman or Niku requires carrying 8 defenseman. I don't have a problem with that personally and I'd love to see Niku get a real opportunity.

Or waiving someone else. Would losing Morrow break us?

 

[ps241]

Yea I have always thought that it would be injuries that eventually allow Sami to get his shot at some point this season. After Morrissey we don’t have anyone playing at a consistent NHL level on our left side this season. Chiarot might be the best of the worst but even then without Buff he struggles.

Oh well it’s a long season so we’ll see.

 

[Board Bard]

Really, you could toss the names in a hat and pick em out blindfolded, and you'd have just as much chance (more of a chance, half of the time) of putting together a functional roster as Maurice. You'd probably be .550 in April, spending 5 minutes a day on it then lolling about playing Fortnite.

On an unrelated matter, I suspect Laine hasn't played any Fortnite this trip.

I hate being right about Lemmy.

He cost us the game yesterday because he remains ****ed in the head and has always been ****ed in the head. At every level of hockey since his stint with the Green Bay Gamblers there have been problems. At some point the kid could cost us a playoff series by snapping. It goes without saying we can’t afford it for at best a 4th line talent. Hopefully he gets a lengthy suspension.

Risk > Reward

Wake the **** up Chevy and Zinger

And Maurice. How can you forget the master strategist who puts him on the ice?

 

[ijk]

Laine has been an issue this year up until these last two games. Two games doesn’t change that.

That said, we’ve had consistency issues all year. Mostly with the young guys but also Scheif and Wheeler as well.

I didn’t mean that Laine isn’t a problem, although my phrasing in the original post may make it seem that way.

It’s a shame that Stastny didn’t sign with the Jets. A good center like him could help the team a lot, but still, even with this lineup the Jets should be playing better at 5v5.

This was evident in the Florida game as their 3rd and 4th lines (and 3rd defensive pairing) are years behind the Jets lines.

Hopefully the Jets are able to find good chemistry across the field at some point this season.

The building blocks are there. It remains to be seen whether or not Maurice can get 100% out of them.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

We are one or two injuries away from a fake .500 season. This team has no 4 line depth anymore, and no D depth with Kulikov a shadow of his former self and Toby gone. And what we do have, Maurice doesn't know how to use. Praying for no injuries this year to be able to make the playoffs. That, or Helle finds his Vezina game again. Haven't seen it yet this year.

 

[Ducky10]

Little easily shut down Connor this time. Just saying. He could probably make anyone disappear.

Little was good, wake up.

 

[ps241]

Yea I have liked Little this season so far?

 

[abax44]

Vesalainen is already better than any of them. Should have been in these Helsinki games instead of those waver fodders.

Hahahaha... Is there another Vesalainen on the Jets we don't know about?

 

[abax44]

Funny, couple days ago most were loving Lemieux. Now he's the wrist thing ever.

 

[jetdiehard]

Size matters a lot, Petan-Roslovic get pushed around a lot.
I wouldn’t draft a forward unless he is 6-2.

 

[Howard Chuck]

So Laine was lights out the last two games. I haven’t seen him play like that in a long time that I almost forgot he could do some of those things.
This wasn’t puck luck as he was just a whole different player. It was effort.
So the question has to be asked... why hasn’t this Laine showed up in Winnipeg? Does he have other things that are distracting him there or was it just the fact that he was playing for his home crowd?
Either way, the effort was noticeably different.

I think he played that way the first two games of the season as well. I was really happy with his play. But he just sat a lot of the games getting cold on the bench.

I honestly think he needs to play a lot with more responsibility to play at his best. He seems to start games flying pretty good too, then sits due to penalties or whatever reason.

He was promised more minutes last year, but it hasn’t happened.

Last night might have been his best game ever. He was actually double shifted and relied on. I think he needs to feel more involved.

 

[Jet]

The good news is that Laine scored 4 goals on this 2 game trip to Finland. Hopefully this will be a boost to his confidence.

I guess if we move the team to Helsinki we will win the cup! That will make for some crazy roadtrips though.

I am not surprised, but disappointed by peoples reactions to Lemieux, here. Yes he cost us the game, BUT - it's about development. If we are being as unbiased as possible, you have to admit that Lemieux has been very disciplined for the most part this year. He has actually been effective on the 4th line. Yesterday was a disappointing relapse for him BUT players who play that style play on the edge. Every player as they are developing have ups and downs. The key for Lemieux here is to learn from this. I think he has been developing nicely and he definitely has the skill to be a guy who can help the team if he continues to grow and develop.

You don't just give up on a player because their development line doesn't go straight up.

 

[GNP]

How does playing Wheeler at center make the team better? I will give you a hint...…...It doesn't!

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Last year when Scheif went down, Wheeler played center and did very good at that position, and the team had a winning record with him at center ice. The most important attribute a center has is to be a "playmaker" and basically that is exactly what Wheeler is, and very good at it. He was one of the leaders last year is assists, and will be this year as well --that tells you he's a great playmaker. He makes very nice seem passes, to guys like Sheif and Connor that end up in goals. Very good on PP as well. Wheeler's shot is average, and is a better playmaker than a scorer.

Either way-- I'd like to see Scheif and Wheeler split up, and see what happens. I don't mind if Wheeler plays winger or center on the 2nd line, but I do think it will give us a more balanced scoring attack. Little is also very good, and he could also center this new line, and Wheeler on the wing--see how it works. I think people would be surprised.

 

[Jet]

Laine has deserved every bit of "opportunity" he has gotten and more.

Laines effort level before Helsinki has been extremely low. He shows what he can do when he wants to.

He needs to want to a lot f***ing more.

People are bashing Wheeler so much on here but lets connect the dots and remember all the sweet f***ing passes he's made to get Laine a vast majority of his NHL goals.

The Laine fan club is getting annoying. I love the guy as much as any Jets fan but this is a JETS forum. We are allowed to be objectively critical of all of our players. Sheesh.

EDIT: I said Wheeler set up the VAST MAJORITY of Laines goals. That was an overstatement and I got called out for it. However, nearly a third of his goals is pretty significant considering they never play on the same line together.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Watching the last couple of games, I was pretty happy with the lines as they all seemed to be working pretty well and more even than ever.

But the problem is when you look at actual production 5v5. The lines look good but there is practically no scoring.

Over the summer we were all looking at the talent on this team and drooling for the season to start, but the production never happened.

Part of this is because of the penalties. It messes up all the lines and TOI. If I was a ref I would be so sick of the jets players looking incredulous every time they get a legitimate lazy penalty.

We have a legitimate reputation imo. Our fans like to complain about the refs but we deserve all that we get and then some. When you take your hand off your stick to grab a player or swing your stick and hit someone with it or get your stick into the hands of an opponent, you’re going to get a penalty.

I don’t know why this continues years down the road. Maurice has to take responsibility for setting consequences for this.

Avoiding taking another step or keeping your feet moving is destroying our chances.

 

[GNP]

Size matters a lot, Petan-Roslovic get pushed around a lot.
I wouldn’t draft a forward unless he is 6-2.

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This is generally true I'd say. However if you look at guys like Theo Fleury, Yvan Cournyiere, and Martin St.Louis, there are short guys that can really score. I think you have to mix them in with bigger men, or they will get pushed around. Toby Enstrom was small, but he did OK, and managed himself well as a defenseman. Josh Morrissey is also small for a Dman, and holds his own just fine.

You can have a guy who's short,( 5'8) with a big frame who weighs 190 to 210 lbs. Tie Domi and Wendel Clarke come to mind and they didn't get pushed around. Generally though if a guy is 5'8 to 5'9 and weighs around 160 lbs like Ehlers, and Connor, they will get pushed around. You need to then have bigger guys on a line with them to protect them.

 

[Jet]

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This is generally true I'd say. However if you look at guys like Theo Fleury, Yvan Counyiere, and Martin St.Louis, there are short guys that can really score. I think you have to mix them in with bigger men, or they will get pushed around. Toby Enstrom was small, but he did OK, and managed himself well as a defenseman.

You can have a guy who's short,( 5'8) with a big frame who weighs 190 to 210 lbs. Tie Domi comes to mind and he didn't get pushed around. Generally though if a guy is 5'8 to 5'9 and weighs around 160 lbs like Ehlers, and Connor, they will get pushed around. You need to then have bigger guys on a line with them to protect them.

You need to build your team according to the Nintendo Hockey line building rule

 

[RageQuit77]

I think he played that way the first two games of the season as well. I was really happy with his play. But he just sat a lot of the games getting cold on the bench.

I honestly think he needs to play a lot with more responsibility to play at his best. He seems to start games flying pretty good too, then sits due to penalties or whatever reason.

He was promised more minutes last year, but it hasn’t happened.

Last night might have been his best game ever. He was actually double shifted and relied on. I think he needs to feel more involved.

Mostly Finnish Laine fan-phalanx has yelled nearly continuously few years about that and related things in Laine's playing and how he is mis-used and mis-utilized in the team.

Laine is highly efficient goal scorer having insane G/60 stat. He has scored now total 87G in 169GP, 0.515GPG. 63 goals out of his 87 goals have been scored in Jets wins, this is 72.4% of his all regular season goals this far. In those 63 goals from winning games he has total 14GWGs, thats 22.2% and for all goals scored 16.1%.

That said, everything strongly suggest that maximizing or at least keeping Laine's goal scoring performance level high using what ever means available for coaching staff, will statistically reflect also to the amounts of points gathered by the team via it's increased winning percentage. Particularly critical this is if / when Jets' overall 5-0n-5 goal scoring doesn't work well because of very high probability of Laine being able to score in PPs to remedy shortcomings in even strength play.

Personally I don't give a s*** even he would be purest PP-specialist sniper ever skated on earth if that would help Jets win more games.

There are real good reasons for those near endless talk-mills about the matter, that often degenerate to hundred pages long ****-slinging engines (mods so much like, heh).

 

[1OApick]

Barkov ate wings with our players yesterday maybe we could sign him before playoffs.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Lemieux and Morrow ruined an otherwise good game by the Jets. It was only a matter of time before Lemieux returned to his indisciplined ways... he has done so at every level, a tiger does not change his stripes overnight.

Get Niku back in the lineup please when we get to NA, he cannot be any worse than Morrow and Kulikov.

Wheeler looked the best he has all season.

Laine looks amazing out there, hope he can bring that back to NA.

Overall this was one of the best games they've played minus Morrow, reminded me of parts of the Leafs game, if they can bring this night in and night out (and granted this was only against the Panthers) then I will be optimistic for this season.

Niku was just healthy scratched for "violating team rules" yesterday.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Laines effort level before Helsinki has been extremely low. He shows what he can do when he wants to.

He needs to want to a lot ****ing more.

People are bashing Wheeler so much on here but lets connect the dots and remember all the sweet ****ing passes he's made to get Laine a vast majority of his NHL goals.

The Laine fan club is getting annoying. I love the guy as much as any Jets fan but this is a JETS forum. We are allowed to be objectively critical of all of our players. Sheesh.

You need to look up what "vast majority" means. Laine has 92 career goals(playoffs included) and Wheeler has 1st assist on 23 of them. I doubt every one of those were "sweet f***ing passes" and I doubt that half of those would have gone in if the shooter was anyone else.

Do you think he hasn't earned his opportunities?

 

[Jet]

You need to look up what "vast majority" means. Laine has 92 career goals(playoffs included) and Wheeler has 1st assist on 23 of them. I doubt every one of those were "sweet ****ing passes" and I doubt that half of those would have gone in if the shooter was anyone else.

Do you think he hasn't earned his opportunities?

I think Patrik Laine is probably top 5 most talented players in the NHL.

I don't think he has demonstrated that this year (mostly)

I think we saw in Helsinki the player that Patrik Laine is WHEN HE WANTS TO BE.

I want him to be that, more. There's nothing wrong with that.

I love Laine, I love that he is a Jet, BUT he needs to play that way every game.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[jepjepjoo]

I think Patrik Laine is probably top 5 most talented players in the NHL.

I don't think he has demonstrated that this year (mostly)

I think we saw in Helsinki the player that Patrik Laine is WHEN HE WANTS TO BE.

I want him to be that, more. There's nothing wrong with that.

I love Laine, I love that he is a Jet, BUT he needs to play that way every game.

I'll leave it at that.

That's fair, but completely false statements like "Wheeler has made sweet f***ing passes to vast majority of his NHL goals" irritate me. These things are easy to look up.

 

[robertocarlos]

Niku was just healthy scratched for "violating team rules" yesterday.

He needs to leave as well.