Proposal: Heiskanen to Toronto

[varano]

Are you serious? Why on earth would any Leaf fan turn that down??

Because we're giving up a top four defencemen with high ceiling for a top two defencemen. On top of that wer giving up an 80 point forward and getting cap garbage back. So no... I wouldn't do this

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Leafs do this. Stars dont. Its not far off though in terms of value though.

 

[FerrisRox]

Because we're giving up a top four defencemen with high ceiling for a top two defencemen. On top of that wer giving up an 80 point forward and getting cap garbage back. So no... I wouldn't do this

You deserve the team you have if this is your thinking.

 

[rent free]

You deserve the team you have if this is your thinking.

what is this supposed to mean?

 

[FerrisRox]

what is this supposed to mean?

It's supposed to mean that the Leafs could be legit Stanley Cup contenders if they build a proper defence but the contingent of the fan base that wants to pretend that everything is great and that this is already a Cup contender deserve the lousy results they are going to get.

 

[Srsly]

You deserve the team you have if this is your thinking.

Eh, I want Heiskanen but if anything he undersold Marner by calling him an 80pt forward as well.

For the record I would at the very least consider this deal due to positional needs, but you can’t fault someone for not wanting to give up their top defensive prospect and a 22 year old player with a 94pt season under his belt, while taking on a 35 year old 7 million dollar player who showed huge signs of regression that would be buried by the Leafs depth at forward. Pavelski May still be useful next season, but I’d hate to have another Marleau situation on our hands after we what we paid to get out of it.

Also, while Marner is elite but overpaid, we’re not really sure Dubas would do much better when negotiating with Heiskanen so I can’t even favor contracts into the argument yet.

 

[GBLeaf]

I don't see Leafs doing this at all.

Yes, Toronto need improvement on D. But they're giving up 3 people who'll be needed next year. Sandin is cost controlled and IM will likely still be on a reasonable contract. Marner is obviously overpaid by a mil or so, but is a huge part of Toronto's approach. The team isn't going to become a defensive team, so taking him away will not help.

Furthermore, MH is due a big raise in what, a year? Will he price himself out of sticking in Toronto?

I can see why Dallas wouldn't give him up. But don't see Toronto giving up those pieces either, doesn't make sense to them.

 

[biotk]

Furthermore, MH is due a big raise in what, a year? Will he price himself out of sticking in Toronto?

Pretty much anyone even ok will be pricing themselves out of sticking in Toronto during the next 3 years or so if the cap remains flat. Kapanen, Johnsson and Kerfoot right now. Mik and Dermott when RFA this summer. Anderson in a year. Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren in two years.

 

[GBLeaf]

Pretty much anyone even ok will be pricing themselves out of sticking in Toronto during the next 3 years or so if the cap remains flat. Kapanen, Johnsson and Kerfoot right now. Mik and Dermott when RFA this summer. Anderson in a year. Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren in two years.

3 years and the picture probably changes somewhat. But yeah, the next few years will likely be a constant juggling job. That said, it doesn't alter that despite Leafs obviously loving the prospect of NH. This proposal does not make sense for TO.

 

[biotk]

Eh, I want Heiskanen but if anything he undersold Marner by calling him an 80pt forward as well.

Sure. While calling Heiskanen a top-2 D (when he is a clear #1 already at age 20) and while calling Sandin a top-4 with a high ceiling. I agree on the high ceiling, but Sandin is currently a sheltered bottom pairing D (who has been healthy scratched).

 

[ViktorBaeArvidsson]

Very pointless trade

 

[Ararana]

I'm just here for the leaf fans who say they wouldn't do this.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

I don’t think you’ll find a Stars fan that would trade Heiskanen for anything reasonable. The kid has come in and helped completely transformed our defence. Marner would be our best forward by far, but then we would have a terrible defence, so for those reasons it’s not worth it.

 

[biotk]

3 years and the picture probably changes somewhat. But yeah, the next few years will likely be a constant juggling job. That said, it doesn't alter that despite Leafs obviously loving the prospect of NH. This proposal does not make sense for TO.

I would agree to a trade in which Toronto received Heisk, Cogliano and Pavelski (even dropping the 1st rounder from Dallas in the OP) for Marner/D/F (but the D would not be Sandin - Dallas' choice of Dermott or Liljegren; and the F would not be Mik - Dallas's choice of Johnsson, Kerfoot, Engvall). It would allow Toronto to offer a good 1-year UFA contract this summer, and while Heisk's next deal will be more than Chabot's 8M, it will be less than Marner's 11M.

But regardless, Heisk is not being traded.

 

[Mach85]

Did you watch both of them play at 19? Johnson was playing as a third pairing D with 4 minutes a night on the PP and most of his points on the PP. If people were dreaming about Norris trophies for EJ when he was 19 or 20 it would be because of potential. Heiskanen has been a 1D - and a good 1D - since his rookie season.

It's a general point not an apple to apple comparison...

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

It's a general point not an apple to apple comparison...

I think it’s just not relevant.

Heiskanen could not improve at all and he would walk into Toronto and be the best D they’ve had in years.

 

[TS Quint]

This trade would never happen, why would a team trade their best player, their franchise player?
Leafs wouldn't trade Matthews, why would Stars trade Heiskanen????.

Yeah and the rest of the trades on this aboard are just about to go down at any second /s.

 

[TS Quint]

Some how Leaf fans are going to have to get over this flawed roster of theirs. I get it, it's hard not to be a attached to their exciting high offense forwards. But some of that money needs to be moved to their defense if the Leafs ever want to be a top Cup contender. Moving a one way Kerfoot, a bottom pair Dermott, an AHL superstar Bracco or a slightly damaged Johannsson just isn't going to do it.

They should find a way to move Tavares for defense. He probably doesn't get you Heiskanen but he will get you something damn good.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Love Heiskanen but not a chance the Leafs do this.

 

[Byron Bitz]

You deserve the team you have if this is your thinking.

I don’t think you understand how good Marner is. Leafs fans want to improve our blue line but we can do it without giving up Marner.

 

[Jerkbait]

I don’t think you understand how good Marner is. Leafs fans want to improve our blue line but we can do it without giving up Marner.

Wow probably the most intelligent comment o here. Completely agree

 

[nbwingsfan]

To Tor:



Miro Heiskanen
Andrew Cogliano
Joe Pavelski
2020 1st round pick


To Dallas:



Mitch Marner
Rasmus Sandin
Ilya Mikheyev



Let me try one more before I call it quits on the trades for a while.

Dallas needs significant help on offence and Toronto needs to improve their blue line. Marner is as elite as it gets at producing offence and Heiskanen is one of the best young D in the league.

Heiskanen imo is the best asset in this deal, so that’s why Toronto is sending a high upside defenceman in Sandin and cost controlled player in Mikheyev to Dallas. To offset the fact that Toronto is taking on some significant short term salary, they get a 1st round pick.

I’m trying to understand where you came to this value.

Let’s assume:
Heiskanen = Marner (a stretch, as I believe all non Leaf fans would pick Heiskanen)
Mikheyev = Cogliano
Sandin = 1st
Pavelski for free??

Seems like it’s favouring Toronto quite a bit

 

[Mach85]

I think it’s just not relevant.

Heiskanen could not improve at all and he would walk into Toronto and be the best D they’ve had in years.

With all due respect, your recent threads certainly call into question your evaluation of players. Toronto has a Norris finalist. Heiskanen would not be our best D in years. This is what I'm talking about by over-hyping the young guys before they've fully proven themselves. Before everyone jumps on me, that's not a knock on Heiskanen. He's arguably the best young dman in the league.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

I think it’s just not relevant.

Heiskanen could not improve at all and he would walk into Toronto and be the best D they’ve had in years.

If Toronto really needs elite dman right now
so why Maple-Leafs didn't try trade up and get Heiskanen 2017 NHL draft.

It's too late today because Heiskanen is a Dallas Star now
and he's not leaving anywhere from Dallas before he's UFA.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

With all due respect, your recent threads certainly call into question your evaluation of players. Toronto has a Norris finalist. Heiskanen would not be our best D in years. This is what I'm talking about by over-hyping the young guys before they've fully proven themselves. Before everyone jumps on me, that's not a knock on Heiskanen. He's arguably the best young dman in the league.

I think Heiskanen is better than Reilly. Just my opinion. I didn’t mean to upset you.