Hawks of Yesteryear Part II - Madden AHL 17

[BK]

I would think taking the 2 seasons where he doubled his point output compared to his career average and calling him a 30pt player is more cherry picking than the 6 seasons where he didn't get more than 12.

Except he has score at or above .25 PPG 60% of his seasons. (3 of 5)

 

[Hawkaholic]

Except he has score at or above .25 PPG 60% of his seasons. (3 of 5)

11-12 Canucks - 8pts 68GP (.12pts/gm)
12-13 Canucks - 6pts 40GP (.15pts/gm)
16-17 Flyers - 4pts in 27GP (.15pts/gm)

That's 3, and even in 13/14, you can't say he would have been a 20pt player, because he didn't get 20pts.

He has scored 20pts or more in 2 out of his 6 seasons in the NHL.

He is a <20pt player with 2 fluke seasons.

If he gets 20 or more points this season, I will call you right. Highly doubt that happens.

 

[BK]

11-12 Canucks - 8pts 68GP (.12pts/gm)
12-13 Canucks - 6pts 40GP (.15pts/gm)
16-17 Flyers - 4pts in 27GP (.15pts/gm)

That's 3, and even in 13/14, you can't say he would have been a 20pt player, because he didn't get 20pts.

He has scored 20pts or more in 2 out of his 6 seasons in the NHL.

He is a <20pt player with 2 fluke seasons.

If he gets 20 or more points this season, I will call you right. Highly doubt that happens.

You can't be this stubborn.

2010-11: 10 GP .00 PPG (I do not count this season)
2011-12: 68 GP .12 PPG
2012-13: 40 GP .15 PPG
2013-14: 61 GP .26 PPG
2014-15: 79 GP .37 PPG
2015-16: 71 GP .38 PPG
2016-17: Season not finished.

3 out of the 5 season he is above .25 PPG. If you look you will see that his PPG has gone up every single year. This is what people call a trend. Facts support this trend and prove that you are 110% incorrect in your assessment.

At the end for the 2016-17 season you will be able to add those number to the data set to get a clear view. Adding them now when there is 3/4 of a season left would only happen if you were trying to cherry pick stats.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I would think taking the 2 seasons where he doubled his point output compared to his career average and calling him a 30pt player is more cherry picking than the 6 seasons where he didn't get more than 12.

Cutting out a third of the sample isn't the best place to start an argument.

 

[Blue Liner]

This is sort of like taking Stalberg's goals total for a season and taking out all the ones against Columbus and saying they don't count.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

This is sort of like taking Stalberg's goals total for a season and taking out all the ones against Columbus and saying they don't count.

Who'd be crazy enough to do that?

 

[BK]

This is sort of like taking Stalberg's goals total for a season and taking out all the ones against Columbus and saying they don't count.

Who'd be crazy enough to do that?

Wait wait, who did that? I remember reading it and then moving one but I want to go back an loot it up.

 

[x Tame Impala]

This is sort of like taking Stalberg's goals total for a season and taking out all the ones against Columbus and saying they don't count.

We might as well still be bickering about Stalberg and Pirri the way some of you are still so worked up about Weiss and Flash

 

[Blue Liner]

Wait wait, who did that? I remember reading it and then moving one but I want to go back an loot it up.

I honestly don't remember. I don't even remember if it was just one person or not but I do know that was put out there.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Cutting out a third of the sample isn't the best place to start an argument.

This is sort of like taking Stalberg's goals total for a season and taking out all the ones against Columbus and saying they don't count.

I'm sorry. I didn't know that I couldn't have the opinion that he had a couple fluke seasons and that's not the type of player he is. And that he is more the player that he has been outside of those 2 seasons. Basically a 20pt player, max. He is not a .37/.38 8pt/gm player and that those 2 seasons inflated his career stats.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You can't be this stubborn.

2010-11: 10 GP .00 PPG (I do not count this season)
2011-12: 68 GP .12 PPG
2012-13: 40 GP .15 PPG
2013-14: 61 GP .26 PPG
2014-15: 79 GP .37 PPG
2015-16: 71 GP .38 PPG
2016-17: Season not finished.

3 out of the 5 season he is above .25 PPG. If you look you will see that his PPG has gone up every single year. This is what people call a trend. Facts support this trend and prove that you are 110% incorrect in your assessment.

At the end for the 2016-17 season you will be able to add those number to the data set to get a clear view. Adding them now when there is 3/4 of a season left would only happen if you were trying to cherry pick stats.

Dude, .26pts/game, is 21pts in a season (which was a career year for him at the time). So basically right in the range where I said 10-20pts.

He had a couple fluke seasons after that, and is back to his norm of 10-20pts/season.

 

[BK]

Dude, .26pts/game, is 21pts in a season (which was a career year for him at the time). So basically right in the range where I said 10-20pts.

He had a couple fluke seasons after that, and is back to his norm of 10-20pts/season.

I really don't understand how you don't get this. It is not a fluke if it is part of consistent trend.

 

[BK]

I'm sorry. I didn't know that I couldn't have the opinion that he had a couple fluke seasons and that's not the type of player he is. And that he is more the player that he has been outside of those 2 seasons. Basically a 20pt player, max. He is not a .37/.38 8pt/gm player and that those 2 seasons inflated his career stats.

This theory was proved wrong with facts.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I really don't understand how you don't get this. It is not a fluke if it is part of consistent trend.

If he was on pace to do the same this year, then I would agree it is a trend. But, he is on pace for 12pts, and hasn't given me any reason to think that that pace will change.

His career outside of MTL has been that of a 4th liner who can barely get 20pts. That's who I believe he is, not a 30pt player that he was in MTL. We will see who is right over the next couple - few years.

 

[Hawkaholic]

This theory was proved wrong with facts.

He has scored more than 20pts twice in his career. So no, it wasn't.

 

[BK]

If he was on pace to do the same this year, then I would agree it is a trend. But, he is on pace for 12pts, and hasn't given me any reason to think that that pace will change.

His career outside of MTL has been that of a 4th liner who can barely get 20pts. That's who I believe he is, not a 30pt player that he was in MTL. We will see who is right over the next couple - few years.

Cause NHL seasons are not full of ebb and low. Sorry but saying they are a fluke because his numbers dropped off for a 1/4 season after consistent increases is just not logical. Now if he is a .15 PPG player for the next two year you could say those two years were a fluke.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Cause NHL seasons are not full of ebb and low. Sorry but saying they are a fluke because his numbers dropped off for a 1/4 season after consistent increases is just not logical.

Why not, especially when before those 2 seasons, that's the type of player he was for his whole career?

 

[BK]

Why not, especially when before those 2 seasons, that's the type of player he was for his whole career?

A majority of his career he has been a .25-.38 PPG player. Going by

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I'm sorry. I didn't know that I couldn't have the opinion that he had a couple fluke seasons and that's not the type of player he is. And that he is more the player that he has been outside of those 2 seasons. Basically a 20pt player, max. He is not a .37/.38 8pt/gm player and that those 2 seasons inflated his career stats.

Neither of us said that "you can't have an opinion", just saying that throwing out a third of a guys career to make the numbers fit your argument is weak.

 

[Blue Liner]

I never said anything about not being able to have an opinion.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Neither of us said that "you can't have an opinion", just saying that throwing out a third of a guys career to make the numbers fit your argument is weak.

I'm simply stating that I think Weise is more the player he was outside of MTL (a 10-20pt player) than the player he was when with MTL (a 30-35pt player). I fail to see what is weak about that.

 

[Fortyfives]

Hit on Shaw tonight. Brutal

 

[hawksrule]

I'm sorry. I didn't know that I couldn't have the opinion that he had a couple fluke seasons and that's not the type of player he is. And that he is more the player that he has been outside of those 2 seasons. Basically a 20pt player, max. He is not a .37/.38 8pt/gm player and that those 2 seasons inflated his career stats.

You're entitled to wrong opinions. It's always entertaining when someone is dug in so deep that he'd rather carry on an obviously faulty argument rather than admit he is incorrect.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I'm simply stating that I think Weise is more the player he was outside of MTL (a 10-20pt player) than the player he was when with MTL (a 30-35pt player). I fail to see what is weak about that.

That statement? Nothing. That's not what I was responding too though.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Therrien loved Weise and played him higher in lineup then he should have been

Given lack of talent for Habs up front it meant that he would put up some offense. I mean after all if you put Jeff Hamilton in a top 9 role on a weak offensive team and prime PP time he will score as well. Doesn't make him a good NHL player