GDT: Hawks @ Kraken 12/14/23 9pm Nbcsports Chicago

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Styles

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Put Bedard with Foligno and Dickinson for a few games and see what happens. What’s it going to hurt?
The kid can’t get caved in his own zone all the time and playing with those guys he can find some soft spots in the o-zone while they do the heavy lifting.
 

BobbyJet

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Sorry, I'm not buying any excuses.
What world do you live in? Davidson would need a magic wand to make this team competitive so soon.

Accept that Hawks decided to start from scratch the moment that Toews wasn't resigned and Kane was let go. It came about 3 or 4 years late but it is finally happening and it will be years in the making.
 

WarriorofTime

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What world do you live in? Davidson would need a magic wand to make this team competitive so soon.

Accept that Hawks decided to start from scratch the moment that Toews wasn't resigned and Kane was let go. It came about 3 or 4 years late but it is finally happening and it will be years in the making.
That poster is not arguing in good faith
 

Geoist

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Put Bedard with Foligno and Dickinson for a few games and see what happens. What’s it going to hurt?
The kid can’t get caved in his own zone all the time and playing with those guys he can find some soft spots in the o-zone while they do the heavy lifting.

That third line is practically our first line already. I'm all for it.
 
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hawksfan50

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The question is :
Stick To The Plan(which by design caljed for being awful in2022/23 (successfully done) AND also beibg awful in 23/24 even with Bedard(on the way to being successfully doneon order to get 2nd crack at#1 again or at least no worse than the #3 overall on thec2024 draft)...

So does KD try a 3rd consecutive Tank season?

1.Does NOT go after any top free agents who want big bucks and big term)) but only goes after lesser ufas *at more reasonable terms and cap hits such that the Hawks might only still be only marginally improved from this season....

* depending on how many high talent NCAA JR.Year players leave early there may be better value in signing NCAA free agents in quantity ratger than spend big $$$ and term on name NHL ufas who would want the Hawks to overpay on cap and term to land them in Chicagi..wheat the NCAA best free agents will be only getting 2 ur terns and inexpensive contracts in order to prove they belong on the NHL before asking for impact player level cap hits and term
..if Quinnipiac Jr . YR. Forwads s Colin Graf and Jacob Quilkan decide to mourn oro after this tgeir 4rd season in the NCAA they should be 2 ofvthe very best collegiate free agents to target ...And a Big C from Cornell Gabriel Seger is definitely a freexagent after this season and Hawks shoukd go after him ...one ofvtge best faceoff guys in the NCAA and also produces offebse for Cornell..If tge Hawks signed thise 3 it shoukd improve the team with "Ready" talent for the NHL level..There may be others in the 21-24 age range to add in addition.

What you do not want do is 0ay big bucks and big term to 'name" NHL players either over ag
ec29 ...and those NHL ufas 26-28 who you might see as parts to help tgecHawjs when they are ready to contend in 3-4years ,are not tgecright targetscto help drastically improve the team so soon next season before the yute infusion of the pipeline is "reDy" to re-shaoecthecteam into contenders.

You might try adding some impact big bucks 26-28year okd ufas in simmer 2025 or sumnercw026..but I cannot see it as soon as this summer.

Tge Hawks are doomed to stunk 1 more season in 2024/25..but after that the pipeline will a acregular greater "ready" flow of draftees competing for jobs ).

MaybexD 1 vet ufa dman naybexGec28 or so even over paying a bit and on term..but This is only in prep to dump Murphyvat TDL in 2025when hevis in his finak year of his contract with the Hawks.

So maybevif Oesce wants to try tge market thuscsumner you overpay a bit for hom ..because you know you gotta dump Murphy at sonebpint I 2024/25..

OR ibstead of doing that before it makes much difference anyway in 24/25 season,you wait dot maybe Slavin hitting tge market in 2025 ...Maybe Carolina extends him but $$$ talk and Hawksvif they do not spend the way in summer 2024 could be i the driver's seat o "go big" on star ufas in summer 2025!!!

Now...fans unable to withstand 1cmore miserable bottom 5 finish next season and impatient to wait till the actual Real leap forward in the 2025/26 season may be calling for KD's head on a pkatter
.but I think stick to the Plan and its misery again for next season,is a better option than panicking and blowibgvthevwad just to make a splash next sumner before the team is realky even ready to attempt a realistic significant improvement via talent infusion of both ready yutes and proven ufa talents..


The recipe calls for 1 mioe year of pain and misery and talent mis-matches and shelkacjkngs.
But after next season...THEN you go all in to presentv an actual NHL competitive team...till then...take it.. hope the yute here now who will be here for 2025/26 improve and that the vnfusins coning in 25/26 finally make tge Bkackhawks resemble and actual serious opponent for NHL squads on there schedule...

Till THEN...it hurts to watch a kadtvpkacevkevel team..butvtgen's the cards.. libecwith it Stick to the Pkan!
 

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Sometimes it's not about knowing what you want, but knowing what you don't want.

As long as Bedard and company don't get too discouraged, being this bad might actually pay off more than if they were semi competitive.

Time will tell.
 
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WarriorofTime

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I don't understand what the f*** they are doing with the lines, with the power play, with preparation... Nothing. So many red flags with this team.
It’s a tank team. You can pretend until you’re blue in the face that X’s and O’s beats Jimmies and Joes but that’s not usually the case.

Nobody says the coaching is great but being the coach of a tank team is a sacrificial lamb job so you’re not gonna have your pick of the litter.
 

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It’s a tank team. You can pretend until you’re blue in the face that X’s and O’s beats Jimmies and Joes but that’s not usually the case.

Nobody says the coaching is great but being the coach of a tank team is a sacrificial lamb job so you’re not gonna have your pick of the litter.

:facepalm:
 

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Save the "this team went into the season" excuse.

If the GM cannot build a team to win, then he shouldn't be a GM. And stop the "rebuild" excuse too. The "rebuild" stopped the second Bedards elc kicked in. The GM should put players around your generational talent instead of huffing off the draft pick potpourri can and telling everyone how it takes time to build a winner when the clock is ticking on a player that deserves to be surrounded by talent.

You mean with the amount of draft picks and cap space Davidson couldn't bring in NHL talent?

He just didn't want to. He brought in washed has beens to look like he was trying and no offense, his draft picks have done nothing outside of the one draft pick he couldn't mess up.

Korchinski- bust. Playing in the NHL when he shouldn't be only because Davidson was to look like the smartest guy in the room and Cat is a proven top line player who's making this trade look worse every game he plays.

Nazar- damaged goods.

Rinzel- he's what? Five years away?

Moore- Stalberg2.0

That's embarrassing

Hagel has what? 10 goals already? Cat is doing what with the Wings?

Tl;Dr

Stop making manufactured excuses
this team is simply not improving they are playing worse hockey now never a game plan same night after night i would be pissed off to
 

BobbyJet

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Quite the opposite.

The GM is clueless. There's no doubt in my mind this team was dog piss.

losing, isnt good, fine, or acceptable.

Does anybody teach a child who is in sports losing is OK so long as the best player on his team scores a goal? I would hope not.
This is not rocket science. After several insufferable years under Stan Bowman's incompetence, Hawks have finally come to the realization that they need to start over and with that, they are bound to be terrible for a few years as they rebuild from the ground up.
We have seen other teams try to rebuild on the fly. Pens come to mind ... TB as well.... it rarely works. And not to mention the teams that will likely make the playoffs every year only to fail miserably when it comes to winning the big prize. No one wants the Hawks to be included in that also-ran category. The franchise knows all too well what it is like to be mediocre for a decade or more.

You need to come back here in 3 years time. Only at that time will valid criticism be appropriate.
 
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This is not rocket science. After several insufferable years under Stan Bowman's incompetence, Hawks have finally come to the realization that they need to start over and with that, they are bound to be terrible for a few years as they rebuild from the ground up.
We have seen other teams try to rebuild on the fly. Pens come to mind ... TB as well.... it rarely works. And not to mention the teams that will likely make the playoffs every year only to fail miserably when it comes to winning the big prize. No one wants the Hawks to be included in that also-ran category. The franchise knows all too well what it is like to be mediocre for a decade or more.

You need to come back here in 3 years time. Only at that time will valid criticism be appropriate.
Ok first off, Bowman is a piece of shit and a disgrace, but he also won three cups. He also had a maxed out cap to work with most of the years and did what he could with very little wiggle room to maneuver. He also didn't have a generational talent fall into his lap.

Davidson has a generational talent, draft picks, and cap space, and has done nothing with any of it instead of sit on his thumb and sending thru the media manufactured excuses. He's clueless.

If there was an ounce of improvement, even while losing, that's one thing. This team is the joke of the league and instead of some people pointing that out, like me, most are clutching onto the excuses and buying into this facade there's going to be light at the end of what looks like five more years of suckage tunnel.

Bad trades, bad drafting with the picks received thru those trades, bad free agent signings. It's a trend.

Davidson is killing this team. You all will wake up later then sooner.
 

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this team is simply not improving they are playing worse hockey now never a game plan same night after night i would be pissed off to
A real Blackhawk fan would and should be pissed off.

What is the core of this team looking like after two drafts?

Bedard- yes
Korchinski- bust who can't play defense
Nazar- injury prone reach
Rinzel- five years away from the nhl?
Moore- viktor stalberg 2.0 in thar "you need guys like him to win on your third line" category?

Honestly, who started the whole Oliver Moore was something assumption when it's been clear as day watching him in college the kid doesn't have the toolbox to go along with the tools? The same scouting websites that dubbed laff a generational talent?
 

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A real Blackhawk fan would and should be pissed off.

What is the core of this team looking like after two drafts?

Bedard- yes
Korchinski- bust who can't play defense
Nazar- injury prone reach
Rinzel- five years away from the nhl?
Moore- viktor stalberg 2.0 in thar "you need guys like him to win on your third line" category?

Honestly, who started the whole Oliver Moore was something assumption when it's been clear as day watching him in college the kid doesn't have the toolbox to go along with the tools? The same scouting websites that dubbed laff a generational talent?
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SimpleJack

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I don't understand what the f*** they are doing with the lines, with the power play, with preparation... Nothing. So many red flags with this team.

It definitely is agitating watching this inept hockey night after night. And though it may seem crazy in certain ways IMO instead of viewing these flaws as “red flags”….think of them as “temporary tank fuel”.

And then next season…when the roster is vastly improved and a year further along in the rebuild…after we’ve secured Celebrini with a well-executed master class tank job…THEN we can go after the right coach. And find an identity. And start building the right habits. And maybe just maybe not be the worst team in the league.

Then in 2025/26 it’s time to really start getting serious.
 

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A real Blackhawk fan would and should be pissed off.

What is the core of this team looking like after two drafts?

Bedard- yes
Korchinski- bust who can't play defense
Nazar- injury prone reach
Rinzel- five years away from the nhl?
Moore- viktor stalberg 2.0 in thar "you need guys like him to win on your third line" category?

Honestly, who started the whole Oliver Moore was something assumption when it's been clear as day watching him in college the kid doesn't have the toolbox to go along with the tools? The same scouting websites that dubbed laff a generational talent?
How can you make definitive judgements on 4 guys who can’t even buy a beer yet? Wow
 
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