Confirmed with Link: Hags re-signed 4 years @ $2.75m

[Brian23]

I don't get the Beagle comparison. Beagle was a guy who was completely shot his last year, had taken a pounding, and was 2 years older at signing. Hagelin has at least shown the ability and chemistry with Eller to play on our 3rd line while Beagle was strictly a 4th line PKer who looked like his body had failed him in his final year here.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I don't get the Beagle comparison. Beagle was a guy who was completely shot his last year, had taken a pounding, and was 2 years older at signing. Hagelin has at least shown the ability and chemistry with Eller to play on our 3rd line while Beagle was strictly a 4th line PKer who looked like his body had failed him in his final year here.

That's why GMBM signed one of them

 

[Sam Spade]

Jay Beagle only got an extra $250k per.

Beagle was/is three years older. That is huge. Hagelin is 34 when this deal ENDS.

 

[txpd]

Hagelin isn't going to be playing on the 4th line. Certainly not as a primary assignment. The term is too long but MacLellan has shown a track record of using the term required to get the player signed and worry about it later. This is another case of that. I look at this as a 2 year contract with two team options after that. If they don't want to keep him, MacLellan will trade him.

 

[txpd]

I guess the shows how much we missed someone in the Beagle mold. Hags maybe the better over all player then beagle but beagle was also an ace at faceoffs. We still don't have anyone to take the big d zone draws

It was obvious how much they missed Beagle, except for those that say face offs don't matter and anyone can pk.

Reirden gushed over Hagelin whenever asked about him. If Hagelin wanted to stay, he was going to stay. The d corp on the pk is going to be completely rebuilt. A steady experienced forward group is going to be required.

 

[Calicaps]

Hagelin isn't going to be playing on the 4th line. Certainly not as a primary assignment. The term is too long but MacLellan has shown a track record of using the term required to get the player signed and worry about it later. This is another case of that. I look at this as a 2 year contract with two team options after that. If they don't want to keep him, MacLellan will trade him.

Kinda hope you're wrong about the 4th line. Otherwise yeah.

 

[hockeykicker]

you can tell its a good deal when pens fans are mad lol

 

[traparatus]

I think both money and term are some 25% too high. It's not the end of the world but it's not a terrific deal either.

I didn't like the way our coaches used Hagelin. He gets promoted up the line up WAAAAY too easily and for no good reason that I can understand.

Honestly, if you proposed this contract a day ago, I would be 45/55 on it, leaning slightly toward letting him go.

 

[Sam Spade]

Also happy if this means Burakovsky is gone. I can't take another season of him having 10 effective games and 72 that you weren't aware he was even playing.

 

[txpd]

Kinda hope you're wrong about the 4th line. Otherwise yeah.

I could be wrong but I just don't see MacLellan spending that much on a 4th line pk specialist. I return to all the things Reirden has said about Hagelin. HE LOVES HIM!!!!!! He is not going to play him play him 10 mins a night with Dowd and a rookie.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Also happy if this means Burakovsky is gone. I can't take another season of him having 10 effective games and 72 that you weren't aware he was even playing.

I'm not so sure about that. Bura still maybe traded but as a RFA we can still afford to bring him back at 3.5 QO or send him to arbitration where he will probably get less. And still extend Vrana
I would be OK with a 3rd line of Bura Eller and Hags

 

[hockeykicker]

also doesnt look like any ntc for hags

 

[Calicaps]

I could be wrong but I just don't see MacLellan spending that much on a 4th line pk specialist. I return to all the things Reirden has said about Hagelin. HE LOVES HIM!!!!!! He is not going to play him play him 10 mins a night with Dowd and a rookie.

10 minutes plus 4-6 of PK, though... I could see it. I guess we'll see.

I think both money and term are some 25% too high. It's not the end of the world but it's not a terrific deal either.

I didn't like the way our coaches used Hagelin. He gets promoted up the line up WAAAAY too easily and for no good reason that I can understand.

Honestly, if you proposed this contract a day ago, I would be 45/55 on it, leaning slightly toward letting him go.

As Tex noted above, McLellan has demonstrated that he's not worried about excess term. He makes movable deals and unloads expensive guys (see Orpik 2018, Niskanen, etc.) when he feels it's necessary. So I view this as 2 x $2.75 with the option to keep him if he's really performing. At that price, especially with no NTC, for the next 2 years, it's pretty good value, IMO.

I do agree on the promotions though. Hopefully, BMac is focused on filling out what's left to make that less necessary.

 

[txpd]

I'm not so sure about that. Bura still maybe traded but as a RFA we can still afford to bring him back at 3.5 QO or send him to arbitration where he will probably get less. And still extend Vrana
I would be OK with a 3rd line of Bura Eller and Hags

Burt is not going to be qualified.

 

[Sam Spade]

 

[Sam Spade]

Burt is not going to be qualified.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

I’m in the minority but I don’t particularly like it. Two years too long, in my opinion. At some point you need your drafted depth to do what Hagelin does so you can spend valuable cap dollars else where. He was a zero in the playoffs last year and provides essentially no offense at even strength.

 

[hockeykicker]

As Tex noted above, McLellan has demonstrated that he's not worried about excess term. He makes movable deals and unloads expensive guys (see Orpik 2018, Niskanen, etc.) when he feels its necessary. So I view this as 2 x $2.75 with the option to keep him if he's really performing. At that price, especially with no NTC, for the next 2 years, it's pretty good value, IMO.

I do agree on the promotions though. Hopefully, BMac is focused on filling out what's left to make that less necessary.

also, every year people go omg what is gmbm doing? and outside of glencross, what has he really done wrong? seems like everything he does works

 

[txpd]

also doesnt look like any ntc for hags

I think MacLellan is honest with these guys. He gives them the guaranteed contract but has to have the ability to move for cap management. In the end the player has security.

 

[ovikovy817]

Well. A little too high the aav

If he will start to produce with Eller and Connolly, this contract will look nice.

 

[hockeykicker]

I’m in the minority but I don’t particularly like it. Two years too long, in my opinion. At some point you need your drafted depth to do what Hagelin does so you can spend valuable cap dollars else where. He was a zero in the playoffs last year and provides essentially no offense at even strength.

he had 11 points in 20 games (3 goals 8 assists)
thats a 12 goal 32 assists 44 points season average

 

[Langway]

I don't get the Beagle comparison. Beagle was a guy who was completely shot his last year, had taken a pounding, and was 2 years older at signing. Hagelin has at least shown the ability and chemistry with Eller to play on our 3rd line while Beagle was strictly a 4th line PKer who looked like his body had failed him in his final year here.

Take a look at Hagelin's possession stats in the playoffs and get back to me. There were a lot of factors that went into that and it was only seven games but he was crushed regardless of what line he was on. As a playoff gamer he's likely limited to PK work and perhaps an ability to help defend leads. So he's pretty similar to Beagle in terms of ideal usage...but the contract and their overvaluing of his versatility is the real danger. He's probably not a 15/16 minute a night guy in the playoffs these days. He's faster than Beagle but smaller and is way more of a situational depth player than they seem to think.

They're going to make Hagelin-Eller-X a thing and maybe it works if everything else is in order but I'd not count on him being a 30-40 point player again, esp. if that X is stopgap material. His strengths and winning experience are helpful. He's a guy Malenstyn & AJF can learn a lot from and he's a good teammate and all that. But it leaves maybe a net $4M to spend on other depth upgrades and replacing Connolly's production will be no small feat.

 

[txpd]

I’m in the minority but I don’t particularly like it. Two years too long, in my opinion. At some point you need your drafted depth to do what Hagelin does so you can spend valuable cap dollars else where. He was a zero in the playoffs last year and provides essentially no offense at even strength.

The two years you don't like are two years MacLellan has proven he doesn't care about. He is building a roster to win a cup this year. One that will fit under the cap. To fit Hagelin under the cap he had to give him 4 years. If after 2 years he thinks, he needs to move the contract for cap management, he will. As he has done.

Don't look at the 4 years. Look at this season.

BTW...When looking at Holtby, this is a guide. MacLellan doesn't care how long that contract is. He cares about the cap hit and whether it fits.

 

[HandsomeTom43]

I don't like this either, but I guess we were determined to bring him back. If we traded Niskanen for only this, I don't think I agree with it.

 

[txpd]

Well. A little too high the aav

If he will start to produce with Eller and Connolly, this contract will look nice.

Connolly is gone.