Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins 2021-22 season

[GrGriffins]

Riley Barber 17 game point streak and 3 goal hat trick gives Griffins come from behind 5-2 victory in Cleveland to finish the AHL season. After the Griffins fell behind 2-0 after 1, Riley Barber scored 2 (PP) goals in the 2nd to tie the game after 2. Josh Dickinson got the game winning goal early in the third and after killing a 5 on 3 for a full 2 minutes late in the game, Berggren and Barber got empty net goals to seal the Griffins victory.

Goals scored: Barber (3), Dickinson, Berggren
Assists scored: Barber, Spezia, Shine, Berggren, Lashoff, Dickinson, Dove-McFalls (2), Martin

Berggren extended his scoring streak to 11 games and Barber extended his scoring streak to 17 games (2nd longest in Griffins history).

Brattstrom stopped 26 of 28 shots as he stood tall on the 5 on 3 pk for the full 2 minutes late to secure the victory.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Will Simon be let go after the season? Who should replace him?

 

[LolaT200]

Simon MUST go. Win % declined every year (except the short Covid season) under his coaching. Very poor team culture. Gotta go.

 

[Henkka]

Will be fun to go and find out 6 new coaches for both Red Wings and Griffins.

Why is this situation like that?

 

[Killerjas]

Will be fun to go and find out 6 new coaches for both Red Wings and Griffins.

Why is this situation like that?

Getting rid of old trash

 

[bedtime20]

 

[wingerdinger]

Berggren also got called up to sweden's national team for the Beijer cup. As a tryout for the world championship squad. Really hope he has a strong showing be awesome to have a Berggren, Soderblom line.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Berggren also got called up to sweden's national team for the Beijer cup. As a tryout for the world championship squad. Really hope he has a strong showing be awesome to have a Berggren, Soderblom line.

No, Berggren got a spot in WC.

He will dominate on the bigger ice surface.

Söderblom? It depends on how he plays in Beijer Hockey Games. He was not good against Czechia in Czech Hockey games but was really good against Finland, he was a force on the ice, something happend everytime he was on the ice and he was playing physical. If he takes a spot on the WC team it will be as a bottom 6 player.

Sucks that Edvinsson did not get a spot. His D-partner Christian Folin made it.

 

[wingerdinger]

No, Berggren got a spot in WC.

He will dominate on the bigger ice surface.

Söderblom? It depends on how he plays in Beijer Hockey Games. He was not good against Czechia in Czech Hockey games but was really good against Finland, he was a force on the ice, something happend everytime he was on the ice and he was playing physical. If he takes a spot on the WC team it will be as a bottom 6 player.

Sucks that Edvinsson did not get a spot. His D-partner Christian Folin made it.

Doubt that they'd let any player participate in both the wc and wjrs.

Good to hear berggren got a spot.

 

[cjeagle]

Simon MUST go. Win % declined every year (except the short Covid season) under his coaching. Very poor team culture. Gotta go.

Unfortunately Steve Yzerman during the press conference said that Ben Simon and his coaching staff is being retained next year.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

…but not dominant.

 

[Eye of Ra]

How did Berggren handle the physicality of AHL? Did he play a physical game at all? In Sweden he was a pure finesse player.

 

[jaster]

Watching Berggren in person, he very much projects as a complementary player at the NHL level, which has pretty much always been his trajectory. His fans might take that as a slight, but it's not really. Complementary players can be key pieces, and I think his ceiling is as a premier complementary player. He'll never be "dominant," in the true sense of the word, in the NHL. But he has the ability to get to Nyquist/Tatar level, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Christoph53]

Watching Berggren in person, he very much projects as a complementary player at the NHL level, which has pretty much always been his trajectory. His fans might take that as a slight, but it's not really. Complementary players can be key pieces, and I think his ceiling is as a premier complementary player. He'll never be "dominant," in the true sense of the word, in the NHL. But he has the ability to get to Nyquist/Tatar level, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Berggren turning out to be a Nyquist level player would be absolutely awesome imo.

 

[Henkka]

Unfortunately Steve Yzerman during the press conference said that Ben Simon and his coaching staff is being retained next year.

That was most horrible news from the press yesterday.

 

[Pavels Dog]

That was most horrible news from the press yesterday.

I'm sure he just doesn't want to search for two new coaching staffs at once. They're probably on a short leash in GR.

 

[Henkka]

I'm sure he just doesn't want to search for two new coaching staffs at once. They're probably on a short leash in GR.

Think Yzerman already did this with Guy Boucher and Jon Cooper. Their signings were only 2 months apart at summer of 2010.

His plan B Cooper went to farm system, and saved Yzerman's life 3 years later after Boucher was fired.

 

[cjeagle]

That was most horrible news from the press yesterday.

It was an unpleasant announcement by Stevie.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'm sure he just doesn't want to search for two new coaching staffs at once. They're probably on a short leash in GR.

How much control do the Wings have over Grand Rapids personnel? Again, they're a privately owned team and it's run jointly by both the Wings organization AND the DeVos family. Maybe that might be part of the answer.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Watching Berggren in person, he very much projects as a complementary player at the NHL level, which has pretty much always been his trajectory. His fans might take that as a slight, but it's not really. Complementary players can be key pieces, and I think his ceiling is as a premier complementary player. He'll never be "dominant," in the true sense of the word, in the NHL. But he has the ability to get to Nyquist/Tatar level, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Dude that's what we've been saying for over a year now. I don't think anyone was ever saying he'd be an 80 point stud. He's realgud, and if he can be a 50ish point winger it'll be a solid win. Especially considering he was part of that 2018 draft class that gave us all false hope.

 

[jaster]

Dude that's what we've been saying for over a year now. I don't think anyone was ever saying he'd be an 80 point stud. He's realgud, and if he can be a 50ish point winger it'll be a solid win. Especially considering he was part of that 2018 draft class that gave us all false hope.

Oh I get where the bar is at, based on draft position. But I've received pushback in the past for describing him as a complementary player.

Dylan Larkin is a stud. Dylan Larkin averages 58 points per 82 for his career. 50 points is probably ambitious for Berggren as an average, unless you're talking about a career year down the line.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Oh I get where the bar is at, based on draft position. But I've received pushback in the past for describing him as a complementary player.

Dylan Larkin is a stud. Dylan Larkin averages 58 points per 82 for his career. 50 points is probably ambitious for Berggren as an average, unless you're talking about a career year down the line.

Dylan Larkin averaging 58 is also skewed by a rookie season and a sophomore slump. 50 points is solidly 2nd line, complementary 1st line like a Zach Hyman, Michael Bunting kind of player.

 

[jaster]

Dylan Larkin averaging 58 is also skewed by a rookie season and a sophomore slump. 50 points is solidly 2nd line, complementary 1st line like a Zach Hyman, Michael Bunting kind of player.

Context matters, but his numbers aren't skewed, they are what they are. 50 points in good seasons seems achievable for Berggren. I'm saying if you think he's going to average 50 points in general, you'll probably be disappointed.

 

[GrGriffins]

How much control do the Wings have over Grand Rapids personnel? Again, they're a privately owned team and it's run jointly by both the Wings organization AND the DeVos family. Maybe that might be part of the answer.

Red Wings selects the Griffins head and assistant coaches, trainer, equipment manager, and GM. They also assign 12-15 players to the Griffins roster and the Wings let the Griffins sign up to 10 players on their own, which they can assign up to 4 of those players to Toledo.

 

[ricky0034]

Dylan Larkin averaging 58 is also skewed by a rookie season and a sophomore slump. 50 points is solidly 2nd line, complementary 1st line like a Zach Hyman, Michael Bunting kind of player.

scoring has also gone up leaguewide since Larkin first entered the league

133 players had 50+ points this year

Larkins rookie year there were 96