Post-Game Talk: Golden Knights 2, Penguins 1 - It's Lit

[ColePens]

One move isn't going to fix what is wrong.

This needs quoted over and over again. We all thought bottom 6 was going to be THE issue this year. It's not. If JR is going to salvage this year, he needs a monster shakeup deal, and it's not out there to be had.

One move will not fix this team with how they are playing. I'd honestly rather them just take it this year and recharge for next. The monster deal they'd need is just not out there.

And it's also insanely unfair to sit here and blame JR solely when you have Letang, Dumo, Geno, Sid, etc. playing like they did tonight.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

+ Me for napping through this waste of time. I did see our "powerplay" in the final 2 mins though.

 

[flaneur]

Skipped the majority of this game because nothing good was going to come from tonight (plus christmas errands)

+ game is over so I no longer have to read tweets about: Fleury
- still one more game with the VGK... at home. God. The Flower love-in is going to be exponentially worse

(I like MAF but geez... some "Pens fans" were actively rooting against the Pens)

 

[KIRK]

I'm not even mad. I'm just very disappointed.

This team probably hit the proverbial wall. They couldn't afford to do so with the roster they had. The defense is making laughable mistakes. That Dumo play and then he doesn't even get to his guy in the d-zone is common each game from all of our defenders. Just laughable. Idiotic plays all over the ice. No focus.

Honestly it's probably best we don't make moves, get a nice long offseason, and recharge for the comeback.

You know damn well that's not what is going to happen.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Flawed roster.
Incoherent lines.
Uninspiring effort.

Watching the Pens this year has been about as much fun as going to the dentist. This team needs a shake-up. Everybody looks a little too secure on a team where very few should be.

 

[vodeni]

and yes lets get rid of Hagelin one of the only 3-4 players that looks like has some pulse

 

[Empoleon8771]

No GM going for a threepeat would ever think like that. You make some smart trades and go for it. Trading Hornqvist while you are trying to win the cup isn’t smart.

And trading Hornqvist would probably be a smart trade, considering:

A. He doesn't fit at all with Malkin.
B. He can't play LW, which was painfully obvious tonight.
C. Rust is a much more effective player for what the Penguins need him to be when he's on RW, and Hornqvist being here prevents him from being on RW (and no, Guentzel-Malkin-Rust isn't going to be a line).
D. Crosby apparently doesn't like playing with him.
E. He's a free agent after the year that the Penguins probably won't re-sign.

It's not even about "asset management" at this point.

 

[Nakawick]

Depends on who that C and LW are. I think Sully should go back to Sid, Geno and Phil on separate lines too. Seems like he doesn’t trust who we have to do that right now.

We need a better center to role 3 lines.

 

[Ogrezilla]

No idea what we should do, but it's not just a tweak.

 

[larueskee]

The good is that the Pens played a one goal game on the road against a very good team. The bad was 4 d men with minuses behind their names and when they were'n giving up goals they were giving up a lot of zone time and chances. Could have been worse if Letang and Dumo did not have some luck. Watch it again if you need to.

 

[Crosby My Captain 87]

Lol @ Sullivan breaking up Sid/Simon/Guentzel for a shift down 1 in the 3rd, after they dominated most of the third.

let's see what you got gmjr.

 

[domaug]

Skipped the majority of this game because nothing good was going to come from tonight (plus christmas errands)

+ game is over so I no longer have to read tweets about: Fleury (ugh)
- still one more game with the VGK... at home. God. The Flower love-in is going to be exponentially worse

(I like MAF but geez... some "Pens fans" were actively rooting against the Pens)

I saw some of those fans on twitter. One person was like "Best case scenario is for the Pens to lose 1-0 with Fleury scoring an empty net goal". That was a real post from a supposedly real Pens fan.

People confuse me.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

At this point, no one should assume this team is going to do anything this year. If you're going to assume they're not going to turn it around, trade Hornqvist and get ready for next year.

At this point, I really don't see a justification to keep Hornqvist unless you're re-signing him immediately. The team is either going to suck and you trade Hornqvist in the name of asset management, or this team is going to be good and you trade Hornqvist to fix other serious flaws on your roster, with the logic that he doesn't fit in your top-6 (due to Crosby not liking to play with him) and his position inflexibility is enough of a justification to move him. If he's not re-signed by the new year, I'm looking to move him if I was JR.

Hornqvist has 6 5v5 points this year. Three of those are against Buffalo. I like Hornqvist, but his ES production has been trending down every year he's been with the Penguins. It may not even hurt them much this year if he was traded.

 

[KIRK]

This needs quoted over and over again. We all thought bottom 6 was going to be THE issue this year. It's not. If JR is going to salvage this year, he needs a monster shakeup deal, and it's not out there to be had.

One move will not fix this team with how they are playing. I'd honestly rather them just take it this year and recharge for next. The monster deal they'd need is just not out there.

And it's also insanely unfair to sit here and blame JR solely when you have Letang, Dumo, Geno, Sid, etc. playing like they did tonight.

I wouldn't say that.

 

[canadianguy77]

(I like MAF but geez... some "Pens fans" were actively rooting against the Pens)

I think some of our players might have been too.

 

[Andy99]

Good move. Did you save 15% or more? I may switch to them.

Ah, joke, sarcasm.....

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It's hard to care watching this team not care.

At least this dog adoption I'm trying to do will distract me.

 

[cheesedanish87]

And trading Hornqvist would probably be a smart trade, considering:

A. He doesn't fit at all with Malkin.
B. He can't play LW, which was painfully obvious tonight.
C. Rust is a much more effective player for what the Penguins need him to be when he's on RW, and Hornqvist being here prevents him from being on RW (and no, Guentzel-Malkin-Rust isn't going to be a line).
D. Crosby apparently doesn't like playing with him.
E. He's a free agent after the year that the Penguins probably won't re-sign.

It's not even about "asset management" at this point.

I would also add that Jake has looked really good on the top PP whenever he gets a chance, Horny moving on would open up a spot for Jake on the top PP.

 

[Tom Hanks]

We need a better center to role 3 lines.

I agree. I’m saying after JR’s trades get back to what made us great.

 

[Night Shift]

Honestly it's probably best we don't make moves, get a nice long offseason, and recharge for the comeback.

I started a thread a couple weeks ago about needing a year off and recharge for next year and it didn't go well...

Understandable a couple weeks ago it was still early-ish

 

[SEALBound]

What was Reaves's ice time in the 3rd? Did the 4th have more than a single shift?

Thank heavens he didn't get HS'ed.

 

[turd]

I can’t think of one good reason to trade Hornqvist. He shouldn’t ever play with Malkin, I agree with that. He should be stapled to Crosby. It’s not Crosby’s decision to make.

Unless the return is too good to pass up, or you’re 100% sure you aren’t gonna re-sign him, I just don’t think it’s a good idea.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I'm not in need to trade Horny mode but tell me whats coming back and i'll think about it...Same with Letang.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I started a thread a couple weeks ago about needing a year off and recharge for next year and it didn't go well...

Understandable a couple weeks ago it was still early-ish

I don't know that I'd call it a year off, but I can certainly understand it not being an all-in year. I wouldn't be making any trades that are purely rentals, but I also wouldn't be selling guys off. Hockey trades only this year.

 

[ColePens]

I just can't believe people think JR waves a wand around and gets this team back to a Cup contender. We have enough talent, as is, to not be in this situation. Did you watch Geno? Did you watch Letang? Did you see Dumo's laughable gaffes? Did you watch Sid? Did you see our powerplay?

If JR has a wand, he should wave it at those players.