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I’m sorry, but what? I think you need to expand on what you mean here a little better. From what I can tell, they both played in the league the same seasons except for the early part of Joe’s career, which was played in one of the lowest scoring eras in league history.There’s a lot more to it than just career highs. League scoring makes the gap between Thornton and Getzlaf look bigger than it was.
There’s a lot more to it than just career highs. League scoring makes the gap between Thornton and Getzlaf look bigger than it was. Getzlaf finished 2nd in league scoring in his best year. Thornton was still the better regular season player, but he was never able to perform in the playoffs like his regular seasons, while Getzlaf’s numbers are much better there.
Kucherov also has the playoff advantage over Pasta. Plus his 18-19 season was lower scoring than last year, and this year he has a considerable advantage as well. Bergeron and Marchand were great linemates. Regular season is closer here but still Kucherov. And playoffs is Kucherov by a larger gap.
Thornton and Pasta probably work better as a duo, and if it’s the regular season, probably a better combo overall. Taking two of them to play either together or on separate lines in the playoffs though, and it’s pretty hard not to take Getzlaf and Kucherov
Player | Points | League Average | Adjusted Points |
Getzlaf | 91 | 2.91 | 91 |
Thornton | 125 | 3.08 | 118 |
Thornton | 114 | 2.78 | 119 |
Wait a minuteNot really
Thornton's 125 pts in 2006 was with a league average of 3.08 GPG. Getzlaf's 91 pts were in a year with a league average of 2.91, only 5.8% lower. If we adjust Thornton to that scoring level he still has 118 points. Hell, adjusting his assists that year he has 90 assists to Getzlaf's 91 points. Not to mention Thornton also had 114 points in a lower scoring year than Getzlaf's 91. The league average in 2008 when he had 114 was 2.78
In an era of the same league scoring, Thornton has 2 seasons with more assists (96 and 92) than Getzlaf ever had total points.
Using Getzlaf's 2009 season as the base:
Player Points League Average Adjusted Points Getzlaf 91 2.91 91 Thornton 125 3.08 118 Thornton 114 2.78 119
People underrating prime Joe Thornton.
They are, but prime Getzlaf was just absolute force in the playoffs, his all round game and physical edge top Thornton for me. Thornton and Pasta probably put up better regular season numbers but you know the Getzlaf/Kucherov combo is winning more playoff games.
Not really
Thornton's 125 pts in 2006 was with a league average of 3.08 GPG. Getzlaf's 91 pts were in a year with a league average of 2.91, only 5.8% lower. If we adjust Thornton to that scoring level he still has 118 points. Hell, adjusting his assists that year he has 90 assists to Getzlaf's 91 points. Not to mention Thornton also had 114 points in a lower scoring year than Getzlaf's 91. The league average in 2008 when he had 114 was 2.78
In an era of the same league scoring, Thornton has 2 seasons with more assists (96 and 92) than Getzlaf ever had total points.
Using Getzlaf's 2009 season as the base:
Player Points League Average Adjusted Points Getzlaf 91 2.91 91 Thornton 125 3.08 118 Thornton 114 2.78 119
Not really
Thornton's 125 pts in 2006 was with a league average of 3.08 GPG. Getzlaf's 91 pts were in a year with a league average of 2.91, only 5.8% lower. If we adjust Thornton to that scoring level he still has 118 points. Hell, adjusting his assists that year he has 90 assists to Getzlaf's 91 points. Not to mention Thornton also had 114 points in a lower scoring year than Getzlaf's 91. The league average in 2008 when he had 114 was 2.78
In an era of the same league scoring, Thornton has 2 seasons with more assists (96 and 92) than Getzlaf ever had total points.
Using Getzlaf's 2009 season as the base:
Player Points League Average Adjusted Points Getzlaf 91 2.91 91 Thornton 125 3.08 118 Thornton 114 2.78 119
I’m sorry, but what? I think you need to expand on what you mean here a little better. From what I can tell, they both played in the league the same seasons except for the early part of Joe’s career, which was played in one of the lowest scoring eras in league history.
Getzlaf's 2 way play gets pretty overstated IMO. He wasnt a PK'er, averaging less than a minute per game in his career and only a couple times being over a minute per game in a season and sub 50% at the dot in his career.
to be a bit facetious, Thornton has better Selke finish between the two and the same average finish as Getzlaf (5,14,19 vs 10,13,13,18)
Getzlaf's 2 way play gets pretty overstated IMO. He wasnt a PK'er, averaging less than a minute per game in his career and only a couple times being over a minute per game in a season and sub 50% at the dot in his career.
to be a bit facetious, Thornton has better Selke finish between the two and the same average finish as Getzlaf (5,14,19 vs 10,13,13,18)
Kinda surprised people are taking Getzlaf and Kucherov over Thornton and Pasta.
Kucherov peak season 128 pts
Pasta peak season 112 pts.
Getzlaf peak season 91 pts.
Thornton peak season 125 pts.
Kucherov has played with top tier offensive talent. Pasta never has.
There’s a lot more to it than just career highs. League scoring makes the gap between Thornton and Getzlaf look bigger than it was. Getzlaf finished 2nd in league scoring in his best year. Thornton was still the better regular season player, but he was never able to perform in the playoffs like his regular seasons, while Getzlaf’s numbers are much better there.
Kucherov also has the playoff advantage over Pasta. Plus his 18-19 season was lower scoring than last year, and this year he has a considerable advantage as well. Bergeron and Marchand were great linemates. Regular season is closer here but still Kucherov. And playoffs is Kucherov by a larger gap.
Thornton and Pasta probably work better as a duo, and if it’s the regular season, probably a better combo overall. Taking two of them to play either together or on separate lines in the playoffs though, and it’s pretty hard not to take Getzlaf and Kucherov
Huh? I still don’t get the point, you are trying to say Thornton’s best season came in a higher scoring year than Getzlaf’s best season? So, what’s that mean? You are pretending Thornton’s scoring vs Getzlaf scoring isn’t as different as it appears due to eras, but they played during the same years except some years for Thornton when scoring was lower. I just don’t get what you are trying to say. Even if you want to isolate on a single year, 125pts when league scoring was 3.08 per game is a lot better than 91pts when league scoring was 2.91 per game.See above. Their careers largely overlapped, but Thornton’s peak was in a high scoring era right out of the full season lockout, while Getzlaf’s was in a low scoring era in the mid-2010s.
Huh? I still don’t get the point, you are trying to say Thornton’s best season came in a higher scoring year than Getzlaf’s best season? So, what’s that mean? You are pretending Thornton’s scoring vs Getzlaf scoring isn’t as different as it appears due to eras, but they played during the same years except some years for Thornton when scoring was lower. I just don’t get what you are trying to say. Even if you want to isolate on a single year, 125pts when league scoring was 3.08 per game is a lot better than 91pts when league scoring was 2.91 per game.
No I get it, it just doesn’t make a lot of sense. The gap is high, period. Firstly, it is a bit weird to look at one players best season and suggest he doesn’t have that much of a gap over the other players best season because the scoring was higher in one of those years…doesn’t make sense when both guys were playing that year and secondly, suggesting the gap between 125pts in 2006 and 87pts in 2014 isn’t as big as it looks…perhaps is technically accurate but not at all genuine, the gap is huge regardless. It’s like saying Gretzky’s 200pts in the 80s isn’t as significant a difference compared to someone’s 60pts today…technically I guess not, but yeah, the difference is significant.I mean it would help if you read it but your response suggests you didn’t. We were talking about single season because that’s what that poster used. And as I wrote, 13-14 was Getzlaf’s best year not 08-09, and yes, 13-14 was in a different era of scoring than 05-06. It doesn’t close the gap, but the gap isn’t as large as the poster was making it out to be by only looking at career highs.
Pasta would be +70 goal scorer with prime Jumbo!
Kinda surprised people are taking Getzlaf and Kucherov over Thornton and Pasta.
Kucherov peak season 128 pts
Pasta peak season 112 pts.
Getzlaf peak season 91 pts.
Thornton peak season 125 pts.
Kucherov has played with top tier offensive talent. Pasta never has.
Not sure if he is the most underated player, but he might be the most underated 2-way guy. It's crazy that he only had 1 top 10 selke finish.Getzlaf was a shutdown two way C. Thornton never had the two way game.
Getzlaf is the most underrated player of his generation.
Number one bullshit.Thornton is the best player here and Pasta is probably 3rd. Pretty easy.
I voted hastily Thornton and Pastrnak because, wow, that duo would be lethal on paper.
But Thornton is too much of a playoff disappointment. And regardless of how I torture the data, he was just underwhelming. His best playoff was probably at 36, far away from his peak. At his peak he was able to touch 100 pts in the regular season, but barely ppg in his best (short) runs in the playoffs.
A guy like Getzlaf didn't have the same regular season success, but had 4 playoff runs over a ppg, while being dominant.
And Kuch > Pastrnak obviously, although Pastrnak is a beast himself.
I tried to put the blame on Thornton's teammates, but Pavelski, Marleau in particular, performed as well in the RS as in the playoffs, points-wise. Not sure what it was, but Thornton really didn't cut it as a playoff performer.
Long winded answer.... but give me Kucherov and Getzlaf
I'd have enjoyed Savard with Pastrnak, but Thornton would do very well. Dynamic.
Is it truly so obvious Kucherov is > Pastrnak?
Pastrnak on an island at this point, while Kucherov is surrounded by elite players offensively.