Bonsai Tree
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All evidence to the contrary. "better" is still measured in wins and losses.
GDT: Game 5: Bruins @ Coyotes | 6:00 p.m. PDT | FS-A | 620 AM
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I don't think the coaching staff is drawing up turnovers and practicing giving the puck to the opposition.
You guys are putting too much emphasis on the system. Like Richardson said, hockey is hockey, it's about compete and effort, doing the little things it takes to win. You can talk about systems and all that stuff but if you are not working hard it doesn't matter. That's it in a nutshell.
Bondurant
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I'm still mourning the loss of Tim Bits and a damn fine cup of hot chocolate at Gila River Arena. The arrival of the Boston Bruins only makes the pain worse. I'll be counting on Clayton Keller to, metaphorically, slay the heretic Dunkin Donut eaters from Beantown.
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You don't think turnovers might be happening more frequently because players don't know where their teammates are, or because they're stuck out of position themselves?
When the whole team is underperforming, to a player, I think it's a safe bet there's a coaching issue at play.
When the whole team is underperforming, to a player, I think it's a safe bet there's a coaching issue at play.
TheLegend
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Neither does talent if it isn't applied. Right now Vegas is a better team. They've out played us and their record shows for it.
Hey thanks for reminding me - I'll be there tonight with my Coyotes/Bruins banner I bought at that game.
awfulwaffle
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If we keep playing games like we did against Detroit, we should win more than we lose. Nobody - NOBODY - was beating Vegas on Tuesday night. I don't even count that game. With what happened and the way the game was opened up, that was tough. I was fighting back tears standing in the arena watching that. Raanta was nuts the game against them on Saturday, and we honestly should have gotten 2 points then. It's still really early, and the team just needs to focus up at certain points and will be fine. We could be playing like trash and sitting where we are, but honestly I feel the team is playing well, and they are fun to watch. Expectations weren't high going in this year, but the fact that they are fun to watch, I'll take it. Things are looking up.
If anyone decides not to go or doesn’t want the giveaway for tonight’s game, let me know. My wife really wants it. Haha
Matias Maccete
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I agree with your last sentence with the caveat that it could still be that they're learning to play his system. If we're still having this conversation in a month then either the system is garbage or the coach can't teach it, in either case that's a coaching issue. But I think this early it may not be a coaching issue so much as just the team going through growing pains as it learns the ins and outs.
They need to open the stupid upstairs dunkin. I want dunkin coffee damn it, and I don't have time to go downstairs unless I miss some game time. Although the regular arena coffee shockingly wasn't too bad on Thursday.
After four games into the season and it's a coaching problem. Richardson was right on the mark with his statement. The players have to look in the mirror and take accountability. Who's fault is it if the players are out of position?
Right. I think you get get over your skis to jump right to the system. There was some of this around here in the SECOND GAME. Some of the folks doing so are doing it as a reaction to previous patterns of posting in previous seasons, you know who you are
They probably enjoy it a bit. But those previous posting patterns were due to years of viewing. We've got 4 games and a handful of lulzy preseason games with slashes called every 5 seconds.I'm with you that it's not the right time to jump there just yet. I'm totally willing to throw Tocc under the bus if it comes to it, he wasn't even in my top 5 of choices for coach. But it's hard to take anything in a 4 game sample size terribly serious on a systemic issue.
It would be like a doctor jumping right to lung cancer for a cough. Gotta run the full battery of tests first.
Bonsai Tree
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That was me and I let my emotions go on a roll. I'm content to see how this plays out but if I see the same kind of shit on the ice I'm going to do the rt/_del_ dance.Right. I think you get get over your skis to jump right to the system. There was some of this around here in the SECOND GAME. Some of the folks doing so are doing it as a reaction to previous patterns of posting in previous seasons, you know who you are
I'm with you that it's not the right time to jump there just yet. I'm totally willing to throw Tocc under the bus if it comes to it, he wasn't even in my top 5 of choices for coach. But it's hard to take anything in a 4 game sample size terribly serious on a systemic issue.
It would be like a doctor jumping right to lung cancer for a cough. Gotta run the full battery of tests first.
Matias Maccete
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Yup 4 years vs 4 games isn't quite the same sample size haha.Right. I think you get get over your skis to jump right to the system. There was some of this around here in the SECOND GAME. Some of the folks doing so are doing it as a reaction to previous patterns of posting in previous seasons, you know who you are
I'm with you that it's not the right time to jump there just yet. I'm totally willing to throw Tocc under the bus if it comes to it, he wasn't even in my top 5 of choices for coach. But it's hard to take anything in a 4 game sample size terribly serious on a systemic issue.
It would be like a doctor jumping right to lung cancer for a cough. Gotta run the full battery of tests first.
There's a reason why most here expected a slow start, there's been so much turnover that it's going to take some time. Even though it hasn't been pretty, it's waaaay too early to judge much about the coaching, or even too much about the players. But like I said earlier, if we're still having this conversation a month from now I'm very worried.
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Can't make it tonight if someone wants my tickets and garage parking pass.
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Matias Maccete
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Apparently Boston hasn't been very good so far this year, they lost b2b games against the avs, and it looks like Bergeron isn't playing. That along with their back up goalie being in makes this a much easier match up. I'm going to get crazy and predict a coyotes win.
Bonsai Tree
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Matias Maccete
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How early has everyone shown up in giveaway nights? Maybe like 445, and hour and 15 minutes ahead of game time?
Let me know if you have an extra you want to sell.
Matias Maccete
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Will do, I like silly hats though and so does the wife so unless it doesn't fit my fat head I'll probably keep it.
I'm not ready to give up on the coaching staff or team yet. The sooner we get our shit together the better though.
It's still early and our goalie has missed some time. We should be playing better with our vet D core and Stepan/Richardson as experienced centers. We kind of look like we did in the TGO days or like the Oilers of a few years ago. DVO/Keller/Strome/Crouse/Perlini/Kempe/Fischer/Duclair are all border line NHL players. All could spend time in the AHL this year, some have already, and some should be in the AHL for the year. Integrating all these young players is going to cause bumps in the road especially when our D core and goalie have been sub par. Tocc might have to simplify his game plan so that he isn't expecting too much from the young players. Too early to tell if our problems are coaching related, underperforming players, the system, usage issues, or young players. Lets see how the team is playing at the 10 and 20 game marks before drawing conclusions.
