GDT: Game 1 - hurricanes play jets - 8 pee emm east time zone

[DaleCooper]

Multiple 1st overall picks

 

[The Faulker 27]

Multiple 1st overall picks

We've missed? Yes.

 

[bleedgreen]

Ironically I thought Skinner played great both ways, all game except with the one play. That's all it takes. Other made big mistakes too and any one of them not happening would've made this different.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Ironically I thought Skinner played great both ways, all game except with the one play. That's all it takes. Other made big mistakes too and any one of them not happening would've made this different.

Skins is likely a big reason we at least gained a point. If he doesn't score that first one, and kill their momentum, it could have been 4-0. As you say, he was hustling all night both ways. He made a blunder that lead to a goal, it sucks but it happens. The 3 goals after that is on more than just him.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

i legitimately feel like skinner was the best player on the ice for either team

and he is going to have to play that way all year if we are going to be playing in meaningful games through the end of april

 

[Ole Gil]

That goofy drop pass coming out of their own zone on the PP seems to give a lot of players fits. Giving up short handed chances on that play was pretty common last year. The players just don't seem to have a good feel for it, while the opposition is looking for it. A bad combination.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Watching the Panthers/Devils highlights makes me even sadder. Ridiculous save after ridiculous save by Schneider and Luongo. The Canes are going to have a tough time making the Playoffs with this Ward/Lack dumpster fire.

Yet if Ward gave up the game-winning goal that Schneider did, I'm sure most here would be claiming he's the worst goaltender they'd ever seen.

Look, I know it seems like I'm defending Ward, but I'm not. He had a piss poor game last night and, in general, has been a below average goaltender over the past few years.

However, in many games (last night included), he seems to be getting the brunt of the blame from certain posters when it's quite obvious that the loss is either an overall team failure or the blame should fall mainly on another player.

 

[caniac247]

Same crap different season. I get the team is young, but being up 3 goals with 10 minutes to go, I don't care how young, that is a game you should not lose. At least a game that a playoff team wouldn't lose. So guess we could be optimistic about grabbing the last wildcard, but I don't know after last night.

It also affirmed that this team has no candidate to be a Captain yet and good move going with 4 alternates. Wheeler took the Jets on his shoulders and carried them to the 2 points. We had no one (looking at Faulk/Staal) do that. In fact both seemed to disappear when Wheeler took over.

I just really hope that this lose doesn't damage the team too much. We cannot afford to get in the hole on this road trip. These games tend to demoralize and I hope the coaches just right the ship and look to the positives, which there were some:

Penalty Kill
Skinner/Stempniak/Rask line
Slavin
Aho (yes he made mistakes, but always corrected them)

Vancouver, I agree with others, take Nordy out and replace him with PDG and put Lack in net. Lack had the better preseason IMO anyway.


*And what is this talk of Faulk talking bad about coach(es)? I seriously missed that. I know the made up rumor about him not being injured last year, but faking so he wouldn't have to play was a joke, but what is this new thing ya'll were talking about.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

it isnt really a rumor when they found a bill peters voodoo doll in his luggage on the flight up to winnipeg

 

[Dishface]

This result will either motivate them and win next game to put this behind them or demoralize them and lose.

 

[RodTheBawd]

My thoughts, probably covered by most already:

That Rask line is really damn solid. I know its been said a lot, which means at this point he shouldn't be, but Rask is so underrated. There's not much pretty about his game, but he wins so many battles and is always where he should be.

Jordan was fine. Aside from that clear, I thought Nords had a pretty ok game. Nesty does not look like himself. He's not some speedster super skilled guy, but he just looks slower and off in general.

Aho was pretty bad, but got better throughout, and was excellent on the PP.

I've been pumping up TT, but the kid has been useless. I don't remember him being as slow as he was last night, so who knows. He looks completely lost.

I thought our 4th played solid. I said "why the **** is bickell out on the PP? Hopefully to plant his ass in front of the net." Welp, tip of the hat coaching staff.

Slavin is still an absolute ****ing stud. Incredible with his stick. Even when he gets beat, he catches back up to make the play.

I'm not sure what Hanifin others were watching, but he was pretty blah to me. I really wish he wasn't as hyped as he was last year and we could have given him some time in Charlotte. Really hoping they didn't stunt his development (even though he did get progressively better last season).

Ward... meh... He did have some decent saves that of course get overlooked when he lets in 5, but he could have come up with 1 or 2 of those. He could have stolen that one, but I don't put the loss on him.

Overall... we look fun and much improved from last season. I'm ok having a game like this early on. Confidence boosting from a scoring standpoint, learning experience from the collapse. These guys were probably so giddy to put 4 on the board they didn't know what to do with themselves.

Watching the Panthers/Devils highlights makes me even sadder. Ridiculous save after ridiculous save by Schneider and Luongo. The Canes are going to have a tough time making the Playoffs with this Ward/Lack dumpster fire.

Tying goal was also a complete disaster. Ward was far out of position and the two deepest players to the crease were Jets who had enough room to do pretty much whatever they wanted. Canes couldn't have played it much worse.

So your measuring stick for our goaltending is 2 of the best in the league?

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I still can't believe Lindholm got pushed away from the net on a partial breakaway.

He's Sam Gagner 2.0. Hope I'm wrong.

Glad to see Stempniak started the season hot, he played well away from the puck, but there's a reason why he's on his 10th team right now. He likely has trouble mentally keeping up with the grind, so he goes hot and cold.

 

[Stickpucker]

If you said last season this team scored 4 goals an gave up 25 shots 99% chance they win...especially with their possession game.

 

[Roboturner913]

He pretty much said as much in the post game.

That quote from Skinner bugs me. So defeatist. It should not be that hard to bounce back with a 2-goal lead in the first game of the season in a game that you've mostly been dominating.

Still bummed out today, winning that game would've been a great start to the season.

 

[Vagrant]

I still can't believe Lindholm got pushed away from the net on a partial breakaway.

Really ill-conceived attempt at getting the goalie to play the shot and then sneaking it back around front for the wraparound or to buy some time for his help to get there. He does so much better when he just shoots and doesn't think so much.

TT did look really slow to me, too. He had a chance at a breakaway and was easily caught. It's odd, but it's the same thing that happened with a similar profile player in Mikael Granlund. Maybe too much hype for what was really there. I'm not throwing the kid in the trash, but I think his reputation may have made us a bit more enthusiastic than he can match at this stage of his development. He'll get better, but I haven't been impressed this preseason and this game.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Slavin is a beast. If he isn't our best player right now, he will be in 1-2 seasons. In my opinion, Slavin is our best defender and Jordan Staal is our best forward. Michael Leighton is clearly our best goaltender.

I thought Ward had little chance on the goals I saw (missed the 1st period). I don't really blame him for them. I guess he could've gotten the Laine shot but damn that was a cannon and it tucked just perfectly in the corner. Laine is an absolute treat to watch. He won't be Ovechkin good, but he'll score 40 in this league one day.

I'm not too down on the game. It was lots of fun to watch for one, despite the horribad ending. I thought we played the part of typical fragile mental Canes' teams I'd seen in the past. Once the going gets rough, we panicked. On the plus side, I thought the Jets scored on nearly all of their scoring chances in the last 15 minutes or so of the game. What killed us were turnovers. Where was the badass neutral zone Canes team of last year? Not all the players have the system down yet.

Our powerplay was really solid, despite the shorty. Our zone entries are beautiful. I love the puck carrier heading up to the O-zone, getting it stacked by the opponent, and then having them reverse direction and pass the puck up to someone coming in with speed. This softens their stack and allows us to penetrate their zone and bring trailing players. We'll see if that can last during the season but it worked well last night.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This result will either motivate them and win next game to put this behind them or demoralize them and lose.

It will motivate them to take the next game to OT, but then they will become demoralized by the memory and lose.

That quote from Skinner bugs me. So defeatist.

I get what you mean, but then it springs to mind that this team has lost nearly 60% of its games during Skinner's time here. It's hard to breed a winning mentality when the team does nothing but lose.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That quote from Skinner bugs me. So defeatist. It should not be that hard to bounce back with a 2-goal lead in the first game of the season in a game that you've mostly been dominating.

I disagree, but I guess it's all what you want to read into it. I look at it as him being more of a leader, showing maturity and taking responsibility for the loss, not being a defeatist. Remember, this is a POST GAME comment, not what's going on at the time. Basically, he's saying: "I F'd up and caused the momentum to shift which ultimately cost us the game".

Yes, a team should be able to withstand that and not fall apart and I doubt you will find any Canes player that would think otherwise. Look at some more of the quotes:

"We've just go to find a way to win those games because you can't be giving up those leads in the third," Jeff Skinner said.

"It's a tough way to lose a game," Lee Stempniak said. "To a man, everyone knows it's not acceptable to lose a game this way, especially in the season opener."

"It's the first game. We've got 81 more," Skinner said. "That's something we can take and learn from. You don't want to be giving up leads like that in the third."

I don't see it as a defeatist mentality at all.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I don't see it as a defeatist mentality at all.

You want some defeatist mentality? We've got tens of thousands of posts worth of it 'round these parts.

I think Skins was owning his mistake. Good on him. Don't make that mistake next time.

 

[Unsustainable]

NJN line ended up as a -5 collectively with Js goal even.

(I don't like +/- stats, but that says something in a 5-4 loss.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Really ill-conceived attempt at getting the goalie to play the shot and then sneaking it back around front for the wraparound or to buy some time for his help to get there. He does so much better when he just shoots and doesn't think so much.

TT did look really slow to me, too. He had a chance at a breakaway and was easily caught. It's odd, but it's the same thing that happened with a similar profile player in Mikael Granlund. Maybe too much hype for what was really there. I'm not throwing the kid in the trash, but I think his reputation may have made us a bit more enthusiastic than he can match at this stage of his development. He'll get better, but I haven't been impressed this preseason and this game.

That Lindholm wrap around killed me, maybe too much EStaal influence.

That breakaway TT was caught was the play where I was thinking he looked slow as ****. I forgot who caught him, but I probably could have. I watched ~40 Hawks games last year, and while he had a tendency to disappear, he was still much better than he has been in a Canes sweater. I'm hoping he's just a slow learner and it's not a conditioning issue or genuine lack of IQ.

I guess he could've gotten the Laine shot but damn that was a cannon and it tucked just perfectly in the corner. Laine is an absolute treat to watch. He won't be Ovechkin good, but he'll score 40 in this league one day.

No goalie is stopping that shot. And 40 is the floor for what Laine will be scoring regularly.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You want some defeatist mentality? We've got tens of thousands of posts worth of it 'round these parts.

I think Skins was owning his mistake. Good on him. Don't make that mistake next time.

Yup. That's how I see it also.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I was bummed last night but after considering some of the great things I witnessed this team do, I'm jonesing for more. Sadly, I doubt I'll make it past the 1st period on Sunday. I hate some 10 o'clock games.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

i am still angry sad

as am i

and ofc it was to ****ing winnipeg

 

[Identity404]

That was a disappointing game, but it's something you have to expect with a young team. There were a lot of positive take aways.

Positives:

• Rask, Skinner, Stempniak looked great.
• Staal off to a good start. We need him to find the back of the net this year.
• PP and PK look good.
• Really impressed by Aho. He made a few mistakes, but did a great job recovering defensively. Looked really good on the PP. You can really tell he has a great instinct for the game. He is going to be a good one.
• Slavin and Pesce looked like they haven't skipped a beat.
• We scored 4 goals.
• 20+ page GDT. Should put those Quebec City rumors to rest.

Negatives:

• Way too many penalties. Very untypical for a Hurricanes team.
• Nordstrom, Teravainen, Hanifin
• Ward sporting the .808 save percentage. 1 Softy, 3 where you can't blame Ward, but a NHL level starter should be able to have at least one of those. I don't think any goalie could have stopped that Laine snipe, but if we had a NHL quality starter in net I think we would have won.
• Blowing a 4-1 lead.