Speculation: Freddy to Canes for Pesce and Reims

[A1LeafNation]

No, it was all of Marleau's deal including the bonus. $4.25 million.

Thought he was traded after the signing bonus.

4m for 4m seems fair to me.

 

[TheScandal89]

The rumor via Friedman is Carolina is interested in Freddy. There were no other details.

Andersen with that defence would show all the haters how good he is or show the believers how bad he really is...

 

[A1LeafNation]

It also had absolutely nothing to do with saving "real" money, we paid the first to save 6+ on the cap.

But now it is about real money because Carolina looking to slash budget.

 

[kb]

It also had absolutely nothing to do with saving "real" money, we paid the first to save 6+ on the cap.

Definitely. I was just correcting the fact that Marleau was traded before the bonus was paid, which he had to be as the buyout window ends before July 1st.

 

[kb]

Thought he was traded after the signing bonus.

4m for 4m seems fair to me.

He was traded in June before the buyout window closed.
I hope they get good value for Andersen.

 

[Mess]

Not this year Canes think they are very close and tending held them back ... and they are reducing payroll in a big way ... Freddy gives them a better goalie for 1M per ... add 1M and reduce 7.5M next season in real cash savings ... all other goalies options are a ton of $$$ and Canes owner does not want to foot a big bill

If Canes trade the Leafs Pesce for Leafs 1st (15th OA) and Dermott (RFA) they can really save some money without a $5 mil cap hit for Andersen for 1 year rental.

Maybe you could combine your idea of Andersen + 1st in 2020 + Dermott/Liljegren for Pesce and Reimer.

Andersen ($5 mil) + 1st + Dermott (RFA to resign ~1.25 mil ) IN for Pesce ($4,025,000) + Reimer ($3,400,000) OUT saves them money.

 

[kb]

If Canes trade the Leafs Pesce for Leafs 1st (15th OA) and Dermott (RFA) they can really save some money without a $5 mil cap hit for Andersen for 1 year rental.

They are saving money by taking Andersen.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If Canes trade the Leafs Pesce for Leafs 1st (15th OA) and Dermott (RFA) they can really save some money without a $5 mil cap hit for Andersen for 1 year rental.

It has nothing to do with CAP hit for Canes ... it is about real hard earned $$$ ... looking to get to under 60M real $$$ so 9M to go ... this would get them 6.5M on way there ... hard to do and still keep team competing so look for guys who have already been paid and they can get for cheap

 

[I am Canadian]

If we could get Bokk for Freddy that would be a perfect kapanen replacement down the line

 

[justashadowof]

If it were a re-build season with no expectations for playoff success then there would be absolutely nothing wrong with bringing in a solid individual like Reimer. But winning is a priority, so Reimer would have to be flipped elsewhere. I'd leave that for Carolina to do after they acquire Andersen. Here's my amendment to the trade:

Andersen, Johnsson ($2.53M per season actual money)
for
Pesce (25% retained), 2020 2nd, a forward prospect

 

[Bluelines]

Where is the rumor?

No rumor, its says in the title SPECULATION...

 

[Carltons Cup]

I'm highly skeptical of this "rumour" as it makes no sense for the Canes.

Why wouldn't they just sign a decent and cheap UFA goalie as a short term solution, then draft Askarov with our pick at #13 (assuming he's still on the board)?

 

[A1LeafNation]

I'm highly skeptical of this "rumour" as it makes no sense for the Canes.

Why wouldn't they just sign a decent and cheap UFA goalie as a short term solution, then draft Askarov with our pick at #13 (assuming he's still on the board)?

Money. Paying Andersen 1million or a guy like Holtby 4million.

Might make sense to just give up an asset to get 3m in savings.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Money. Paying Andersen 1million or a guy like Holtby 4million.

Might make sense to just give up an asset to get 3m in savings.

With there being a lot of UFA goalies available, surely they could get one for $2M and move a body or two to save a few bucks and not have to move assets.

 

[A1LeafNation]

With there being a lot of UFA goalies available, surely they could get one for $2M and move a body or two to save a few bucks and not have to move assets.

Like...

 

[Carltons Cup]

Like...

I'm not all that familiar with their roster, but moving a 3rd or 4th liner and replacing them with a younger body should save them money.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I'm highly skeptical of this "rumour" as it makes no sense for the Canes.

Why wouldn't they just sign a decent and cheap UFA goalie as a short term solution, then draft Askarov with our pick at #13 (assuming he's still on the board)?

How do you get from 69M payroll to 60M payroll? It is not by signing UFA players ... unless they are in your core ... unless you pick up good players who are already paid out so you get CAP benefit to hit floor and real salary outtake benefit

 

[Stephen]

I'm highly skeptical of this "rumour" as it makes no sense for the Canes.

Why wouldn't they just sign a decent and cheap UFA goalie as a short term solution, then draft Askarov with our pick at #13 (assuming he's still on the board)?

Paying $1.0 million for an upgrade at the number one goalie position in real cash, with the chance to re-sign him. Andersen was originally drafted by Carolina but didn’t sign because he thought he would be blocked professionally by Cam Ward back in the day. Wonder if any scouts from that era are still with the team.

I kind of like where this is going because it may be that the Canes wouldn’t entertain the idea of drafting and developing Askarov either with a solution like Andersen in the organization.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Paying $1.0 million for an upgrade at the number one goalie position in real cash, with the chance to re-sign him. Andersen was originally drafted by Carolina but didn’t sign because he thought he would be blocked professionally by Cam Ward back in the day. Wonder if any scouts from that era are still with the team.

I kind of like where this is going because it may be that the Canes wouldn’t entertain the idea of drafting and developing Askarov either with a solution like Andersen in the organization.

I heard that Sparks and Hutchinson are both UFA's this year.....

 

[Mess]

It has nothing to do with CAP hit for Canes ... it is about real hard earned $$$ ... looking to get to under 60M real $$$ so 9M to go ... this would get them 6.5M on way there ... hard to do and still keep team competing so look for guys who have already been paid and they can get for cheap

What about Leafs keeping competitive in this scenario?

Hopefully Reimer is not our #1 goalie next year?

 

[Stephen]

I heard that Sparks and Hutchinson are both UFA's this year.....

Hopefully the Canes go big on Ayres.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

What about Leafs keeping competitive in this scenario?

Hopefully Reimer is not our #1 goalie next year?

I can't be going to games next season as I don't want to catch COVID and there were quite a few of us who parked our seats and sponsorships next season ... but team will sell games in 10 and 20 pack combos and i am sure younger people can pick up da slack for next season ... or team can easily get a loan as it is owned by a corp and any bank can see da massive cash flow that comes every June except this past year ...maybe it will affect our Leafs but I seriously doubt it

 

[Mess]

How do you get from 69M payroll to 60M payroll? It is not by signing UFA players ... unless they are in your core ... unless you pick up good players who are already paid out so you get CAP benefit to hit floor and real salary outtake benefit

If you trade Pesce for a 1st and a young Dman you save $4 mil instantly by dealing for futures.

Andersen is due a $4 mil signing bonus first, and then $1 mil in real salary thereafter, and Reimer is due $2.25 mil signing bonus the same time Andersen is, then only owed $850k base and real money.

So if each team pays the signing bonus and then swaps [$4 mil - $2.25 mil] = $1.75 mil difference savings and then Andersen @$1 mil - Reimer @ $850k = +$250k.

So swapping Andersen for Reimer saves the Canes $1.5 mil in real $$$.

 

[Faltorvo]

I'm highly skeptical of this "rumour" as it makes no sense for the Canes.

Why wouldn't they just sign a decent and cheap UFA goalie as a short term solution, then draft Askarov with our pick at #13 (assuming he's still on the board)?

does a decent and cheap tender move them closer to cup contention?

because they are closer to being one then we are

 

[Prominence]

Odd idea but they could split it into two trades, pay signing bonuses for both reimer and andersen and then trade andersen? LOL