Value of: Freddy Andersen next contract

[Mrfenn92]

Freddy, top goalie??? Meh.

He is getting older, his career is declining a bit.
Last 112 reg games about 2.80 gaa and about .910 sv%.

When the 21-22 season begins, he is 32
going for his 10th NHL season, 14th pro season.

Leafs have Campbell signed for 21-22 season
- 3 good goalie prospects; Ian Scott, 22 after next season Joseph Woll, 23 after next season
and KHL goalie Artur Akhtyamov, 20 after next season

I don't see Leafs re-signing Freddy, the question is, is there anyone else who wants to sign him?
My answer would be maybe with a no on the side

Do you really think no other team would sign him?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Just like every leaf player here.

They will never be able to sign him. He will get more somewhere else.

then he will sign in Toronto for less
Than predicted and be overpaid somehow

Who? Past examples?

 

[Legion34]

Who? Past examples?

Tavares wouldn’t sign... then he signed for too much. We had to trade one of the forwards

then

willy wouldn’t sign. He was getting traded because we can’t afford him

then

Matthews was signing a 15 x 7 in Arizona. Then he signed early for too much

then

Marner was was going to sign a sheet. We couldn’t sign him. Then it was too much

I mean it goes back to kessel too. It’s the exact pattern that will happen here too.

it’s not like an earth shattering thing. It’s just exactly what happens every single time.

 

[Fogelhund]

Everything depends on this year, and it's impossible to predict.

How does Andersen perform? Last year was a down year. Does he continue on that trajectory, or rebound? If his game falters, does Campbell take over the starters position? Does Dell? These are unknowns at this point. Does Andersen have a career year? Help them progress much further than before, and cement himself as a reason for that?

His future with the club, and his contract value, is wholly dependent on what he does this year. At times he's been great, and at other times, just not good enough. Now, some of that is over usage, and the teams fault, but those excuses should go away, in a shortened season, with what appears to be better backups.

It's well premature to try and predict what happens with Andersen, or his next contract, until this is played out.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Just like every leaf player here.

They will never be able to sign him. He will get more somewhere else.

then he will sign in Toronto for less
Than predicted and be overpaid somehow

Crazy how every Leafs player is underpaid, but they are still at the cap ceiling and have never won a playoff series with this core. It almost makes you question the unparalleled Leafs dominance that we all know will surely start at any point.

 

[Legion34]

Crazy how every Leafs player is underpaid, but they are still at the cap ceiling and have never won a playoff series with this core. It almost makes you question the unparalleled Leafs dominance that we all know will surely start at any point.

orrrrr they got fairly paid? And peoples biased opinions based on nothing but bias

Don’t actually change the market?

Imagine paying money to watch a team that refuses to spend to the cap to lose? Not sure why that’s better?

 

[34]

3 years 5 million per.

Won't be with Leafs.

Good!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Everything depends on this year, and it's impossible to predict.

How does Andersen perform? Last year was a down year. Does he continue on that trajectory, or rebound? If his game falters, does Campbell take over the starters position? Does Dell? These are unknowns at this point. Does Andersen have a career year? Help them progress much further than before, and cement himself as a reason for that?

His future with the club, and his contract value, is wholly dependent on what he does this year. At times he's been great, and at other times, just not good enough. Now, some of that is over usage, and the teams fault, but those excuses should go away, in a shortened season, with what appears to be better backups.

It's well premature to try and predict what happens with Andersen, or his next contract, until this is played out.

Dell taking over the starter position? short of catastrophic injury that's not going to happen that's not realistic

 

[Fogelhund]

Dell taking over the starter position? short of catastrophic injury that's not going to happen that's not realistic

No, it wouldn't take a catastrophic injury. It would take an injury, or poor play by Andersen and Dell stealing the position, through his play. Unlikely maybe, but certainly not without precedent. Here is the bottom line, in case it was missed, as you looked for one line to argue about.... it's well premature, to try and predict what happens with Andersen, or his next contract, until this is played out.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No, it wouldn't take a catastrophic injury. It would take an injury, or poor play by Andersen and Dell stealing the position, through his play. Unlikely maybe, but certainly not without precedent. Here is the bottom line, in case it was missed, as you looked for one line to argue about.... it's well premature, to try and predict what happens with Andersen, or his next contract, until this is played out.

Did you forget Jack Campbell exists? Even if Freddy Andersen didn't bounce back and I fully expect him to, Jack Campbell would take over before Dell

 

[Fatass]

Good!

Okay, if not Freddy than who?

 

[Fogelhund]

Did you forget Jack Campbell exists? Even if Freddy Andersen didn't bounce back and I fully expect him to, Jack Campbell would take over before Dell

Do you find these threads hard to follow?

I mean, it's what, way back in post #79 where Campbell was brought up. But, you chose to focus on a singular line of a post in #83, losing all context, and then again in post #85, having completely been incapable of following the train of thought, and having lost context.

 

[Prairie Habs]

orrrrr they got fairly paid? And peoples biased opinions based on nothing but bias

Don’t actually change the market?

Imagine paying money to watch a team that refuses to spend to the cap to lose? Not sure why that’s better?

The fact you try to say the Leafs didn't overpay their top guys AND use the phrase "bias doesn't change the market" is hilarious. Remember when Matthews and Marner signed for way too much, but it was okay because all the big RFAs were also going to get overpaid because the Leafs had changed the market? How did that work out again?

 

[Fogelhund]

Yost: Frederik Andersen decision looming for Toronto Maple Leafs - TSN.ca

As optimism grows concerning the National Hockey League’s intention to return in January for a reported 56-game regular season, so too does the consternation over critical roster decisions. The runway from the start of the regular season to both the trade deadline and the 2021-22 off-season is going to be short. Decisions must be made quickly.
One of the more interesting decisions needs to be made in Toronto, where there is continued hope of a Stanley Cup bid. Like a dozen or so teams around the league, the Maple Leafs have spent aggressively towards the cap ceiling, banking on league growth rates to create cap space in future years. The only problem was that a global pandemic struck, siphoning away critical gate revenue and forcing a flat cap for at least 2020-21.
Most of Toronto’s core in the skater ranks are signed long term, but they do not have the same security in the crease. Frederik Andersen ($5-million dollar cap hit; expiring at season’s end), 31, and 28-year-old Jack Campbell ($1.6-million dollar cap hit; expiring in 2021-22) will man the crease this season.
Andersen is a bit of a lightning rod in Toronto. He has been a reliable stopper of the puck since entering the league with Anaheim in 2013-14, but he is also coming off his worst season and is part of a team with pervasive performance issues on the defensive end.
There is another complicating factor: A league-wide talent influx at the position means more capable goaltenders are available each year in free agency. Right now, next off-season’s list could include Tuukka Rask, Jordan Binnington, Antti Raanta, and Philipp Grubauer.
Bringing this back to Andersen, although we can’t quite say what his cost base might be due to the economic uncertainty, we can get a feel for what type of contributor he has been and what future projections of performance may look like.
If we look at his performance measures over the last five years, we can grade him out against his peers accordingly:

Raw save percentage (easy to measure, but plagued by team effects) and goals above expectations (harder to measure, but recognizes the varying difficulty goaltenders face through a combination of shot volume and shot quality against) tell a consistent story in Andersen’s case. He’s been an above-average option in net for Toronto over the past five years, generally grading better than two-thirds (or more) of his peers.
The one exception just so happened to be last year, where Andersen finished with save percentages comparable to Alex Stalock of the Minnesota Wild and current free agent Ryan Miller. Adjustments for the quality of those shots do not improve the story. Evolving Hockey’s regression-based model had Andersen 11 goals worse than we would expect from an average goaltender in the same position, placing him just ahead of Anaheim’s John Gibson and the currently unsigned Craig Anderson.
The good news for Toronto is the 2019-20 season – disastrous as it was – won’t be the last we see of Andersen in Toronto. The Maple Leafs will likely get at least 30 more games from the Dane to see if last year’s performance was an outlier or indicative of the start of declining play.
Before last season, Andersen was as predictable and reliable a goaltender as you could find in the league – not the most dominant of options, but a guy who routinely would provide value at the position. But there is little doubt last year’s campaign has complicated matters enough for Toronto; doubly so with limited internal options in the case of an emergency. Is he really beginning an age-induced downswing, or was it just a multi-month slump?
Not an easy question to answer for the Maple Leafs organization, and turning to video doesn’t help a ton either. Andersen had his share of miscues handling the puck and taking himself out of position, but Toronto’s defence was notorious for ill-timed turnovers and indifference to closing off opposition passing lanes. Andersen wasn’t the only problem for the Maple Leafs, but he was a problem.
If Andersen can rebound this season and put last year into the “one-off” category, Toronto will surely consider an extension. But if last season was a harbinger of what’s to come, the Maple Leafs are going to be another team busy in the goaltending market.
Data via NHL.com, Hockey Reference, Evolving Hockey

 

[NYRKing]

Do people think they will win a cup with Anderson? I just don’t see him being that guy that pulls them through the playoffs. However the leafs likely can’t afford to replace him with someone worse since the time is now to compete.

Imo a similar luke warm season and playoff will make any decision really tough for them.

 

[TS Quint]

a) Campbell is 28. He's had multiple good/great years in a row and like many goalies he didn't figure it out until he was in his late 20's. He very well could be a starter.

b) Sparks was in the system before Dubas. People are so sour over this move picking a 25 year old AHL goalie of the year over a 35 year old McBackup that had a couple decent seasons. It wasn't the wrong move, Sparks just sucked in the NHL and really Leaf fans didn't give him a chance.

c) Neuvirth decided to quit on the NHL because he didn't come to camp (on a PTO) in shape. Idk how this could be a slight against Dubas for offering a goalie with a good track record a PTO.

d) Hutchinson was a desperation move because of the social media hate Sparks was getting from Leaf fans. There were threats towards him and his family. Nobody, including Dubas thought Hutch was any good but he needed to get a goalie for nothing that could play 5 games. He didn't play poorly with the Leafs in 2018-19. With very few backup options and much more pressing things to deal with, Hutch came into camp supposed to be on the Marlies in 2019-20 but because Neuvirth decided not to show up, we were desperate. Wasting another draft pick on another bust goalie wasn't an option (and nobody trades their backups at the beginning of the season) so Dubas had to wait until he could get a guy like Campbell to make an actual change in the goaltending.

Dubas makes decisions based on social media???

whether Sparks was there or not before Dubas it was Dubas’ choice to have him on the team every single day he was there.

You can call all of these insignificant if you like but can you name the good significant upgrades he has made to the position because I believe that is the point.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Do you find these threads hard to follow?

I mean, it's what, way back in post #79 where Campbell was brought up. But, you chose to focus on a singular line of a post in #83, losing all context, and then again in post #85, having completely been incapable of following the train of thought, and having lost context.

I made a similar comment once (). Can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[Boondock]

Tavares wouldn’t sign... then he signed for too much. We had to trade one of the forwards

then

willy wouldn’t sign. He was getting traded because we can’t afford him

then

Matthews was signing a 15 x 7 in Arizona. Then he signed early for too much

then

Marner was was going to sign a sheet. We couldn’t sign him. Then it was too much

I mean it goes back to kessel too. It’s the exact pattern that will happen here too.

it’s not like an earth shattering thing. It’s just exactly what happens every single time.

You mean to every single team, every single player and every single thread on HF's? Because you could isolate posts and come up with a victim dialogue in every single thread on this board. This isn't a Leafs thing, this is a haters on the internet thing. For all of those examples that you posted I could find ridiculous claims by Leaf fans towards other players/teams, or even predictions on who they will be signing and for how much. I mean it goes back to the Sedin's signing in TO or Stamkos or that Marner was going to sign for $8million per because loves the Leafs, etc, etc, etc. It's the exact same pattern.....

 

[34]

Okay, if not Freddy than who?

Not a fan of Andersen at all. I don’t have him as a starter in the NHL, and I am a Toronto fan saying this. Freddy has no consistency at all, he has one brilliant game for every 10 games or so he plays. He takes no accountability for his subpar play. He is always the first guy to point the finger.

I would be starting Jack Campbell if I was Dubas.

 

[Morgs]

Dubas makes decisions based on social media???

whether Sparks was there or not before Dubas it was Dubas’ choice to have him on the team every single day he was there.

You can call all of these insignificant if you like but can you name the good significant upgrades he has made to the position because I believe that is the point.

Good significant upgrade is very clearly Campbell.

As for a decision based on social media, you think your GM wouldn't trade a player getting death threats because of his play? Damn, Glasses Man bad for being a good guy.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Do people think they will win a cup with Anderson? I just don’t see him being that guy that pulls them through the playoffs. However the leafs likely can’t afford to replace him with someone worse since the time is now to compete.

Imo a similar luke warm season and playoff will make any decision really tough for them.

If you can get to a finals with Khudobin you can win with Andersen, nobody with any understanding of the game would say Khudobin is better than Andersen

 

[BlueBaron]

Leaf fans talking about Andersen putting up a poor performance after posting a .936 save percentage are hilarious. Anything to not admit their vaunted offense was shut down and were to blame for the loss. I don't give a f*** what anyone says anytime your goalie posts a .936 save percentage it's your offense that shit the bed, you can not ask for a better performance than that.

Typical zero context statement to oversimplify.

Leafs lost two games by one goal giving up four both times. That's not on the offense. Leaf were shut out two games but scored three or four goals every other game. Two shut outs is not the offense shitting the bed but it's a great story. Interestingly Defensemen also played in both games but seem to have not mattered in your tale. I guess if you only look at two games you're gold, sadly....that is not the whole story.

Maybe, just maybe Freddy had good games and bad? Maybe our offense had good games and bad? Maybe our D played part in it all?

I know, that's just crazy talk....Save percentage always tells the whole story right?

 

[A1LeafNation]

5 x 5 ie the Lehner deal.

He likes it in TO and hasn't really proven anything yet despite being a good starter.

 

[TS Quint]

Good significant upgrade is very clearly Campbell.

As for a decision based on social media, you think your GM wouldn't trade a player getting death threats because of his play? Damn, Glasses Man bad for being a good guy.

No, I would hope any good GM would have the good sense to make the best move possible instead of listening to nonsense. But this is how you think Dubas runs his team, just reading tweets.

 

[Morgs]

No, I would hope any good GM would have the good sense to make the best move possible instead of listening to nonsense. But this is how you think Dubas runs his team, just reading tweets.

Lmao, I cant believe you doubled down.