Confirmed with Link: Flyers sign Garnet Hathaway, 2 x 2.375m

[JojoTheWhale]

Right. You should give a job to a prospect b/c they look good on paper, even if they don't produce at the AHL level.
If a player is worthy of a top 9 slot, they should be heads and shoulders above their peers at the AHL level.
It's like promoting a hitter with a .700 OPS from AAA ball because you once used a high draft pick on them.

And there's a simple way to win PT at the NHL level, play well.
Anyone who watched Foerster and Lycksell last year could tell which player was NHL ready in 10 minutes.

Hathaway is solid depth who should be prime TDL trade bait, the two years won't be a barrier because it's easily buried, and Briere can retain or take back a cheap contract (a $2M deal where a player lost their starting spot, for example).

You know exactly what you sidestepped here, deady. Top 9!

 

[the deaninator]

Top 5 pick next year. Sounds like a plan to me.

 

[deadhead]

You know exactly what you sidestepped here, deady. Top 9!

A young player whose upside is 4th line is fungible, except for a small group of specialists (top PK guys, great energy guys) who bring real value in a 4th line role. Desnoyers might be one of those guys, it's doubtful Lycksell will be. So in that case, the player is better served playing top six minutes in LHV and getting real minutes when called up.

A look at ES minutes for callups and cameos gives a sense of how they view forwards:
Foerster 14:20
Lemieux 12:02
Desnoyers 11:32
Lycksell 10:33
Bellows 9:20
Deslauriers 9:12
Laczynski 9:09
Willman 8:57
J Cates 8:56

If you play less minutes than Deslauriers, your future is dim.

 

[Curufinwe]

Nic D played 80 games. They view him as an every game player.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Nic D played 80 games. They view him as an every game player.

He’s also paid $1.75M. I’d rather have the fungible kids paid close to league minimum but who am I?

Every minute that he plays is a organizational waste.

 

[AdamParrot]

Hathaway's cap hit with 50% retain is just under $1.2M.

And he's signed for next season as well.

Wouldn't be surprised if Briere will trade him at TDL for draft pick(s).

Hathaway is one of the best 4th line wingers in the NHL. Playoffs teams love these players.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

He’s also paid $1.75M. I’d rather have the fungible kids paid close to league minimum but who am I?

Every minute that he plays is a organizational waste.

And an existential waste.

 

[Danko]

As far as Allison, I'd prefer he stays healthy and keeps his roster spot for the full season also, but it is highly unlikely.

Trade Hathaway at the TDL and this is fine.

Also for everyone saying top 5 pick...yeah right, they've repeatedly said they are trying to win and rebuild at the same time. They are going to be in the exact same spot they were last season, maybe even with a later pick.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Every year. Every f***ing year. Overpaid shitty barely nhl player come on down!

Hathaway. Deslauries, Thompson, Stewart, Weise

Its damn sickness! Clearly does not matter who the hell the GM is...they always do this.

Overreaction. One of those names is very much unlike the others.

 

[renberg]

Every year. Every f***ing year. Overpaid shitty barely nhl player come on down!

Hathaway. Deslauries, Thompson, Stewart, Weise

Its damn sickness! Clearly does not matter who the hell the GM is...they always do this.

Hathaway is just replacing Lemieux from last season. GH is a better player. So there’s that. However there isn’t any room for guys at LV being able to move up the ladder. Either they suck or aren’t being developed up to NHL standards.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Hathaway's cap hit with 50% retain is just under $1.2M.

And he's signed for next season as well.

Wouldn't be surprised if Briere will trade him at TDL for draft pick(s).

Hathaway is one of the best 4th line wingers in the NHL. Playoffs teams love these players.

And? Get rid of useless players you can never sell. Let the Kids play. And if you have remaining slots after this steps you can sign players you sell for draft picks. We are signing players and all useless pricks stay and we will never play our young players. Another bad process.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

More mountains out of mole hills. He's a body on a shit team. He isn't blocking anyone because there's no one to block. Our prospects either are already in the NHL or suck. He's going to help make this team bottom five in the league and will maybe be flipped this year or next at the deadline.

 

[mr4tno]

Farabee-Couturier-Konecny
Laughton-Cates-Atkinson
Hathaway-Frost-Tippett
Deslauriers-Poehling-Allison


In Allentown, along with Brink

For the umpteenth time, they are NOT rebuilding. This lineup is not one a rebuilding team puts on the ice. The Hathaway siging has Keith Jones written all over it. And the 2 year contract proves the Briere is only half as dumb as Fletcher

 

[Ironmanrulez]

More mountains out of mole hills. He's a body on a shit team. He isn't blocking anyone because there's no one to block. Our prospects either are already in the NHL or suck. He's going to help make this team bottom five in the league and will maybe be flipped this year or next at the deadline.

Your takes are so other worldish i get goosebumbs

 

[mr4tno]

Maybe it is just a fluke so far... (probably a chance it is)

but yeh, initial signs point to him maaaybe actually valuing the analytics department, seeing some level of marginal gains in depth players and picking guys for roles who actually have a track record of being "good" in them.

Obviously I am seriously cautiously optimistic in this regard. Who knows if he goes and does a Shelley, Weise or Deslauriers move tomorrow!

But yeh... if he can actually do that consistently then if the Flyers do draft well over next couple of years, Michkov grows into a star and they pick up a legit 1D... then maybe for the first time since early years of Holmgren the Flyers will have a GM who has some semblance of an idea of how to fill out the bottom of a roster.

What did they draft this year that gives us confidence they can draft well.....
- Michkov was a no brainer that requires no particular drafting skill
- they selected a meh d-man at 22 when both Perrault and Cristbal we just sitting there
- they traded into the second round (good move) only to piss it away by drafting a goaltender
- they then doubled down and drafted another goaltender in the 3rd
- the continually avoid the 3 S's - skating speed skill for the B&G - big and gritty

 

[BrindamoursNose]

As far as Allison, I'd prefer he stays healthy and keeps his roster spot for the full season also, but it is highly unlikely.

Trade Hathaway at the TDL and this is fine.

Also for everyone saying top 5 pick...yeah right, they've repeatedly said they are trying to win and rebuild at the same time. They are going to be in the exact same spot they were last season, maybe even with a later pick.

They kind of have to say that though. Just read their main message, which is "we're gonna get it there, but it's going to take some time" and that's the real thing they mean. They know how this city doesn't like multi-year tanks (looking at you, Sam Hinkey).

They're going to want the team to play hard, but not to truly compete for anything. And that's fine. Maybe they won't be Top 5, but they'll be close.

This team minus Provorov, Konecny, and Laughton would make it significantly worse IMO. Sadly we're also losing DeAngelo, which helped the tank.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

What did the draft this year that gives us confidence they candraft well.....
- Michkov was a no brainer that requires no particular drafting skil
- the selected a meh d-man at 22 when both Perrault and Cristbal we just sitting there
- they traded into the second round (good move) only to piss it away by drafting a goaltender
- they then doubled down and drafted another goaltender in the 3rd
- the continually avoid the 3 S's - skating speed skill for the B&G - big and gritty

Snow the goalie speculated before the 2nd round they will get goalies. In the mitchkov podcast. So it was also predefined by Jones

 

[Rebels57]

Emperor Tortellini got his guy!

 

[Curufinwe]

 

[kudymen]

No issues with Hathaway himself. It is just really funny that their arguably most useful offseason depth acquisition in a while comes when they finally accepted they have to rebuild.

 

[Danko]

I agree that the current/past years crop of prospects are probably ruined or had development seriously damaged. Probably one of the the best things about Michkov staying in Russia for the next few years.

 

[ponder719]

Let's not get it twisted, Hathaway is a massive improvement over the normal garbage we have cluttering the bottom of our roster. The problem is, we didn't need to improve the quality of garbage; we needed less garbage so we could figure out of any of the kids could hack it at the NHL level. At this point, I can only hope Danny has so many other moves lined up that Hathaway sees play at 2LW to start the year.

 

[bauer]

Also for everyone saying top 5 pick...yeah right, they've repeatedly said they are trying to win and rebuild at the same time. They are going to be in the exact same spot they were last season, maybe even with a later pick.

Top 5 is very possible. Who will the Flyers pass from last year? No one. Plus CBJ (and maybe ARI) might even pass them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A young player whose upside is 4th line is fungible, except for a small group of specialists (top PK guys, great energy guys) who bring real value in a 4th line role. Desnoyers might be one of those guys, it's doubtful Lycksell will be. So in that case, the player is better served playing top six minutes in LHV and getting real minutes when called up.

A look at ES minutes for callups and cameos gives a sense of how they view forwards:
Foerster 14:20
Lemieux 12:02
Desnoyers 11:32
Lycksell 10:33
Bellows 9:20
Deslauriers 9:12
Laczynski 9:09
Willman 8:57
J Cates 8:56

If you play less minutes than Deslauriers, your future is dim.

TOI allotment is not reliable proof of player quality. It sure can be proof of coaching and organizational incompetence though

 

[landsbergfan]

Here’s to hoping he’s not here for long!