Speculation: Fleury to MIN

[AKL]

Right then, let's get this out of the way.

In Russo's draft guide today, he speculates that the Wild could be very interested in Marc-Andre Fleury to stabilize goaltending for a year or two, allowing Kahkonen/Jones/Robson more time to develop where they should.

Because the Knights have Lehner locked up now, they could look to shed Fleury's contract to make room for Pietrangelo. The Wild could take on Fleury's full hit for two years, but it would make 2021-22 difficult depending on how this season goes for a couple players.

He goes on to speculate (pure conjecture, he clarifies this) that a third team could be involved to take on some of Fleury's cap.

But my questions are:
1) Vegas fans, what can we expect from Fleury if we acquire him? What does he have left, if anything, in the tank?
2) What could a potential deal look like without a third team? What could a potential deal look like with a third team retaining some of Fleury's hit?

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[Dr Jan Itor]

Fleury + 2nd/3rd rounder to Detroit for future considerations
Fleury at 50% retained to Minnesota for a ~6th rounder

Vegas clears everything. Detroit gets two free picks. Minnesota gets a veteran goalie for a 6th.

 

[The Duck Knight]

1. Fleury is still a capable starter. He was doing okay this past season until his dad passed and then he was in a funk. Lehner came in and took the job. MAF is probably somewhere in the 15-17 range of starters.

2. At his full hit Vegas might be willing to move a 1st.Fleury + 1st to Minny for a conditional pick. With a 3rd team it could look like Fleury + 2nd to say Detroit and then Fleury at 50% to Minny for a pick.

 

[AKL]

Fleury + 2nd/3rd rounder to Detroit for future considerations
Fleury at 50% retained to Minnesota for a ~6th rounder

Vegas clears everything. Detroit gets two free picks. Minnesota gets a veteran goalie for a 6th.

2. At his full hit Vegas might be willing to move a 1st.Fleury + 1st to Minny for a conditional pick. With a 3rd team it could look like Fleury + 2nd to say Detroit and then Fleury at 50% to Minny for a pick.

This sounds very agreeable to Minnesota. Almost too agreeable.

 

[2Pair]

This sounds very agreeable to Minnesota. Almost too agreeable.

Minnesota is still on the hook for 2 years of a 35 year old goalie making $3.5M. It only looks great because we have had to watch Dubnyk for too long

 

[AKL]

Minnesota is still on the hook for 2 years of a 35 year old goalie making $3.5M. It only looks great because we have had to watch Dubnyk for too long

3.5M isn't a lot for a goalie, even if he's 35, if:

1. Fleury is still a capable starter. He was doing okay this past season until his dad passed and then he was in a funk. Lehner came in and took the job. MAF is probably somewhere in the 15-17 range of starters.

Especially since, in theory, Kahkonen is his backup, and he's worth about 1M.

 

[Alklha]

Fleury + 2nd/3rd rounder to Detroit for future considerations
Fleury at 50% retained to Minnesota for a ~6th rounder

Vegas clears everything. Detroit gets two free picks. Minnesota gets a veteran goalie for a 6th.

1. Fleury is still a capable starter. He was doing okay this past season until his dad passed and then he was in a funk. Lehner came in and took the job. MAF is probably somewhere in the 15-17 range of starters.

2. At his full hit Vegas might be willing to move a 1st.Fleury + 1st to Minny for a conditional pick. With a 3rd team it could look like Fleury + 2nd to say Detroit and then Fleury at 50% to Minny for a pick.

Why in the world would Detroit pay $6.25m over two years for a late second rounder?

At least with Staal it’s only $3.2m for one year and they see him having a role with the team. Plus, the second they get in that deal will likely be better than the Vegas 2nd.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Why in the world would Detroit pay $6.25m over two years for a late second rounder?

At least with Staal it’s only $3.2m for one year and they see him having a role with the team. Plus, the second they get in that deal will likely be better than the Vegas 2nd.

I don’t try to guess what billionaires choose to care about on any given day.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Why in the world would Detroit pay $6.25m over two years for a late second rounder?

At least with Staal it’s only $3.2m for one year and they see him having a role with the team. Plus, the second they get in that deal will likely be better than the Vegas 2nd.

Vegas has the Devils 2nd next year.

 

[AfroThunder396]

NJ has the cap space to retain MAF's contract, but considering he has 2 years left they VGK and MIN would have to give us a pretty nice return to make it worth our while.

On the Devils board I proposed something like:

To MIN:
MAF @ 50%

To VGK:
Mirco Mueller (RFA, don't qualify him if you don't want him)

To NJ:
NJ's 2nd 2021 (previously acquired in the Gusev deal)
MIN's 2nd 2020

 

[2Pair]

3.5M isn't a lot for a goalie, even if he's 35, if:



Especially since, in theory, Kahkonen is his backup, and he's worth about 1M.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't take that deal. Just saying that it isn't without it's share of risk involved.

 

[2Pair]

NJ has the cap space to retain MAF's contract, but considering he has 2 years left they VGK and MIN would have to give us a pretty nice return to make it worth our while.

Minnesota wouldn't be paying shit for that. Even at $3.5M there isn't much value in Fleury

 

[Chayos]

Fleury + 2nd/3rd rounder to Detroit for future considerations
Fleury at 50% retained to Minnesota for a ~6th rounder

Vegas clears everything. Detroit gets two free picks. Minnesota gets a veteran goalie for a 6th.

Fleury at 50% is not going to cost a 6th. It will cost a decent to good asset to get Det to make that deal. The flip will cost both teams.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Fleury at 50% is not going to cost a 6th. It will cost a decent to good asset to get Det to make that deal. The flip will cost both teams.

Isn’t the 2nd the decent asset?

 

[Bazeek]

Fleury at 50% is not going to cost a 6th. It will cost a decent to good asset to get Det to make that deal. The flip will cost both teams.

If it costs much more than that Minnesota probably just pursues other options.

 

[2Pair]

Fleury at 50% is not going to cost a 6th. It will cost a decent to good asset to get Det to make that deal. The flip will cost both teams.

Why would it? Fleury at $3.5M for 2 years still doesn't have value

 

[Chayos]

Isn’t the 2nd the decent asset?

That is to take the 7 million dollar goalie. Another 2nd to swallow 50% imo.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

That is to take the 7 million dollar goalie. Another 2nd to swallow 50% imo.

The first part of that costs them literally nothing. They only get compensated for the second part.

 

[AKL]

That is to take the 7 million dollar goalie. Another 2nd to swallow 50% imo.

No. The 2nd and the 6th combined are to swallow the 3.5M.

There is no separate trade where Detroit is then free to negotiate with other teams who might want Fleury at 50%. The deal is that Detroit gets a 2nd and a 6th to eat 3.5M of cap space. They never once actually get Fleury on their team.

If Detroit wants more, they negotiate that before Vegas trades Fleury there.

 

[2Pair]

That is to take the 7 million dollar goalie. Another 2nd to swallow 50% imo.

I agree that it should cost more than a 2nd to eat half of that contract. But the payment would be coming from Vegas. Minnesota has no interest in trading a 2nd or higher for Fleury at any price

 

[drw02]

Fleury + 2nd/3rd rounder to Detroit for future considerations
Fleury at 50% retained to Minnesota for a ~6th rounder

Vegas clears everything. Detroit gets two free picks. Minnesota gets a veteran goalie for a 6th.

Wings would need more given the multiple years. Probably two 2nd's would do it, one for each year of retainment

 

[AKL]

The one Knights fan earlier said Vegas would be willing to part with their 1st to get all of his hit off the books. If Detroit wants more value, then:

VGK 1st+MIN 6th to Detroit
Future considerations to Vegas
Fleury (50% retained by Detroit) to Minnesota

 

[Chayos]

No. The 2nd and the 6th combined are to swallow the 3.5M.

There is no separate trade where Detroit is then free to negotiate with other teams who might want Fleury at 50%. The deal is that Detroit gets a 2nd and a 6th to eat 3.5M of cap space. They never once actually get Fleury on their team.

If Detroit wants more, they negotiate that before Vegas trades Fleury there.

It’s not 3.5 it’s 6.25. Fans on HF don’t seem to understand money at all. That is a lot of dough for a second and a 6th. Jesus, Gretzky was sold in his prime for 15 million. This is a second round pick.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I would think 3.5 million dollars in retention for two years would cost more than a 2nd, and I would think that Fluery at 3.5 Million would have more than a few teams making that call. Some trades that I see being fair strictly on value.

Trade 1:
MAF + VGK 2020 2nd to Detoroit
Minnesota’s 3rd next year to Detroit
MAF(2.25 million retained) to Minnesota

Trade 2:
Fluery + Krebs to Minnesota
Future Considerations to Vegas

Trade 3: (Vegas Misses out on Pietrangelo)
Glass + Fluery (1 million retained)
For
Dumba

 

[Legion34]

He wants to stay in vgk.

He would be dumb not to have minny on his list