GDT: Flames @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+

[BenedictGomez]

Wow hovering just above Darling and Greiss?

Woof...

I'd be curious to know what Kinkaid's .SVP would be if he played in front of that hideous Binghamton defense.

Would it even be better than Blackwood or Appleby?

 

[Satans Hockey]

You really need to take a look in the mirror when a guy’s poor play makes you personally hate him.

That is just really silly.

That's a stretch, disliking someone doesn't mean I want the guy to have a miserable life. I pay a lot of money every year to watch this team, I can come on a devils message board and say I dislike someone and hate watching them play.

 

[glenwo2]

It comes to a point where you have to question some thing else is wrong.

Cory was getting banged around for a month before getting hurt. Now Keith is getting banged around. Appleby in his own start got slapped around as well.

If all three goalies who has started a game this year cant get consistent results, you have to start pointing the finger at the team in front of them.

But what can be done to fix this?

I don't think there's anything that CAN be done at this point.

Except hope that Cory comes back soon BEFORE we fall completely out of the playoff race.

 

[Bleedred]

Kinkaid is the reason that I’m absolving Hynes blame for this season. I think Shero will give him one more kick at it next year, if we do miss the playoffs and unless implode down the stretch and go back to getting outshot by a zillion, I’m okay with keeping for at least part of next season. He’s not really helped himself by the lengthy rope he gave Kinkaid.

Bad goaltending makes coaches look worse and gets coaches fired. I’m not convinced he’s a good coach, but if he didn’t have 19 games of .893 goaltending this year, he might look a little better. And at least when Cory was on a roll and healthy, he took out the glue and poured it under Kinkaid’s seat on the bench.

For the first time this season, we have a positive shot differential after this game. Believe it or not, we are above average in shots against, but still a bit below in shots for.

 

[MadDevil]

The problem is no goalie in the organization other than Cory has been worth a damn this year. We traded for Lack because Appleby and Blackwood both sucked in the AHL, and now we want him to start basically just because we haven't seen him suck yet. Given the rest of his NHL career though, I have zero faith he'll be any better than Kinkaid. Like I said earlier it's basically just choosing which turd you want to start at this point.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Anyone with a brain can see that we simply haven’t been good enough defensively the last couple of games, and it wouldn’t matter what second string goalie we stick in net. The results would have been the same.

Cory’s stats are not as good as they usually are for him, and Keith’s numbers are way down from his past norms. Common sense says this isn’t a coincidence, and there is a common reason for this.

The obvious answer is the team that we all figured would have a lot of issues defensively this year is, *gasp* inconsistent defensively. Who would have thought?

When the team just forgets how to play defense, this puck ends up going in our net a lot. The nights we actually we play defense, magically the puck does not seem to go in our net despite the two awful goalies we have that don’t even deserve to suit up according to some of you.

Honestly this shit is so obvious, but the mob mentality and the borderline unhealthy obsession a few posters have with two or three players makes it absolutely impossible to have honest conversations about loses around here.

Until we get consistent defensive play, we will not consistently win games. It would certainly help if the goalies could make an extra save or two, but the core issue is still the shoddy defense.

Seriously though some of you need to get over your weird need to demonize the couple of players you don’t like. Whether it be Greene, Zajac, Cory, or Keith. Just like it was Sal, JJ, or hell even Marty in his final year. It is extremely unhealthy and kind of f***ed up.

Team sport.

 

[Emperoreddy]

That's a stretch, disliking someone doesn't mean I want the guy to have a miserable life. I pay a lot of money every year to watch this team, I can come on a devils message board and say I dislike someone and hate watching them play.

And it is still a ridiculous statement to make. Luckily you are in the minority as many people think Keith is a fine person, most importantly his teammates.

 

[Emperoreddy]

But what can be done to fix this?

I don't think there's anything that CAN be done at this point.

Except hope that Cory comes back soon BEFORE we fall completely out of the playoff race.

We aren’t going to fall out of the playoff race. That is panic talk. The Metro is too poor, and the team always bounces back.

They just need to tighten up.

 

[MadDevil]

I'm fairly certain this board would be diagnosed with some kind of mental disorder with the wild swings of emotion that take place around here.

We do have a pretty important stretch coming up with 7 of the next 10 against Metro teams (6 of those are against teams within 5 points of us) so hopefully we can tighten up a bit defensively and put some distance between us and those teams.

 

[markog]

I hope they take advantage again tomorow as Columbus is flying home from playing in Washington tonight because they will be in the same situation on sunday when they face the Bruins who are beating everyone.

 

[theoptimist]

I'm fairly certain this board would be diagnosed with some kind of mental disorder with the wild swings of emotion that take place around here.

We do have a pretty important stretch coming up with 7 of the next 10 against Metro teams (6 of those are against teams within 5 points of us) so hopefully we can tighten up a bit defensively and put some distance between us and those teams.

I don’t think we’ll make the playoffs

 

[Bleedred]

Anyone with a brain can see that we simply haven’t been good enough defensively the last couple of games, and it wouldn’t matter what second string goalie we stick in net. The results would have been the same.

Cory’s stats are not as good as they usually are for him, and Keith’s numbers are way down from his past norms. Common sense says this isn’t a coincidence, and there is a common reason for this.

The obvious answer is the team that we all figured would have a lot of issues defensively this year is, *gasp* inconsistent defensively. Who would have thought?

When the team just forgets how to play defense, this puck ends up going in our net a lot. The nights we actually we play defense, magically the puck does not seem to go in our net despite the two awful goalies we have that don’t even deserve to suit up according to some of you.

Honestly this **** is so obvious, but the mob mentality and the borderline unhealthy obsession a few posters have with two or three players makes it absolutely impossible to have honest conversations about loses around here.

Until we get consistent defensive play, we will not consistently win games. It would certainly help if the goalies could make an extra save or two, but the core issue is still the shoddy defense.

Seriously though some of you need to get over your weird need to demonize the couple of players you don’t like. Whether it be Greene, Zajac, Cory, or Keith. Just like it was Sal, JJ, or hell even Marty in his final year. It is extremely unhealthy and kind of ****ed up.

Team sport.

I've seen you make fun of the Islanders goalies, having a laugh about them in the OOT thread. Why do you think they suck, yet Kinkaid doesn't? Because he plays for your favorite team? Because right now, he's approaching Greiss-like numbers. Greiss is one of the four or five guys that have played 18 or more games that has been worse than him. Wedgewood is another. So do you really think we have the worst defense in hockey? Because if Keith isn't bad this year, I don't know how you can say there's a such thing as a bad goalie in the entire NHL. Only 4 of them that have played 18 or more games have been worse than him. He's been bad ALL year long. Cory has been since his last 8 starts or something? I would say Cory is in a rough patch more than anything, Kinkaid is just having a bad year.

Cory's stats aren't as good as they usually are for him? Well they're better than last year. And Kinkaid's are astronomically worse than last year, when they were actually better than Cory's. And I think we can agree that last year's team was worse than this year's team. The two goalies that have played significant minutes/games on this team have a large differential in personal performance this year. Perhaps one of the largest in the entire league.

Goalie is the most important position in the game and this kind of goaltending is unacceptable, no matter what team you play for. And poor play from the goalie is gonna hurt you a lot more than poor play from guys like Kalinin, Josefson, Zajac, etc. This is the kind of goaltending that causes goaltenders to wash out of the league the next season and I think that's what's gonna happen next year. I really do. I think that Shero is not happy with this goaltending from Kinkaid and already knows he won't be here next year, unless there's injuries and he's back up. I'd have to think Hynes, who for all of his faults, seems to know when goaltending is good and when it's not good, also knows it's not acceptable. Which is why he publicly critiqued his goalies (any of Cory, Appleby and Kinkaid) before the all star break and said ''Whoever is in there has gotta be better''.

Goal 2 was very soft tonight. He looked awful on it. Was it his FAULT? You can argue that it wasn't his FAULT and I'd agree. Does that automatically make it not stoppable? No.

Third goal was another poor one. Gets past him, from a weird angle, hits the post and then he makes no effort to try and get over, when he had plenty of time to do it. If the initial shot didn't hit the post from a tough angle, where he completely saw it, I wouldn't be dinging him with that goal. The commentator for the Calgary feed didn't like it either.

 

[Bleedred]

This looks like a case of a goalie that's really struggling with confidence right now. His body language on that second goal tonight, just screams that to me. The way he threw his stick, he knew he could have and probably should have had it. That might have been why he went to sleep when the third goal was scored. His unnecessary Marty roll in Ottawa the other night? Looked like he was just lacking confidence and didn't know what to do.

This reminds me of Marty in the last couple weeks of MacLean and first week after Lemaire came back. I remember one game where he just laid in the crease and I guess he hoped the skaters would do something to keep the shot from coming at him, and he made no attempt to get up. Think it was that Eric Boulton hat trick game in Atlanta. Then he looked really bad during that snowstorm game against Toronto, I noticed the same things. It all culminated in him getting yanked after 3 goals on like 5 shots against Carolina. And if you remember, he voluntarily demoted himself to be the backup and to work on his game, and even told the coaches that's what he wanted to do. He looked quite a bit better when he was back in there a week later, outside of his glove hand still needing some work.

 

[MadDevil]

I don’t think we’ll make the playoffs

I think you need a name change.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

The defense broke down a few times. That's when you expect your goalie to make a big save. Not every time, but you would hope at least 1 time. That hasn't happened enough this season with kinky. Too often literally every good scoring chance for the other team finds the back of the net. Sure the defense needs to be better. Moore in particular has been a dumpster fire lately, but you would hope an NHL goalie could bail you out at least once during the game.

 

[Bleedred]

The defense broke down a few times. That's when you expect your goalie to make a big save. Not every time, but you would hope at least 1 time. That hasn't happened enough this season with kinky. Too often literally every good scoring chance for the other team finds the back of the net. Sure the defense needs to be better. Moore in particular has been a dumpster fire lately, but you would hope an NHL goalie could bail you out at least once during the game.

It would be one thing if all of these goals were completely unstoppable, no chance for the goalie, shots going in the net, but it's clear when watching that the eye test is corroborating what these stats on paper are telling me. They might not be these pathetically soft goals, where a point shot cleanly leaks through his legs, but I'm noticing a lot of stoppable goals going in on him. Almost 40% of the goals he's allowed are at least stoppable this year. Of course you can't expect 100% of the goals that beats him for him to have no chance on, but If you cut that in half, he makes a lot more saves.

Outside of that Buffalo game and the Pittsburgh game, I can't think of too many games lately where he didn't allow at least one kind of stoppable goal, and he's been allowing multiple stoppable goals over the last 2 games or just doing very unnecessary things to throw himself out of the play and prevent him from successfully making the save. Like on the Marty move last game and then on goal 3 last night. We were playing a lot worse back in October-November and were getting better goaltending, at least from Cory we were. And a bad goalie is gonna hurt you a lot more than a bad defenseman or a bad forward, since there's only one goalie and it's the most important position in the game. And it's not those blowout games where the bad goaltending hurts you. It's these type of 3-2 games where you lose by one goal and the goalie allows 1-2 stoppable ones.

 

[Devils Dominion]

When does Melanson get some heat?

Goaltending was better with Terreri.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I don’t think we’ll make the playoffs

Based on attendance of late notwithstanding a Sat game filled with Pitts fans, a lot of our fans seem to agree with you.

 

[Bleedred]

When does Melanson get some heat?

Goaltending was better with Terreri.

Cory looks like he’s somewhat improved from last season, but Kinkaid has certainly regressed.

But Kinkaid also had a mediocre 15-16 season under Terreri too. It wasn’t to this level though. If I’m Melanson, I’m begging Hynes to at least try Lack. If I’m Nasreddine I’m begging Hynes to roll the dice on him, just because he makes the defense that I run look even worse.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Anyone with a brain can see that we simply haven’t been good enough defensively the last couple of games, and it wouldn’t matter what second string goalie we stick in net. The results would have been the same.

Cory’s stats are not as good as they usually are for him, and Keith’s numbers are way down from his past norms. Common sense says this isn’t a coincidence, and there is a common reason for this.

The obvious answer is the team that we all figured would have a lot of issues defensively this year is, *gasp* inconsistent defensively. Who would have thought?

When the team just forgets how to play defense, this puck ends up going in our net a lot. The nights we actually we play defense, magically the puck does not seem to go in our net despite the two awful goalies we have that don’t even deserve to suit up according to some of you.

Honestly this **** is so obvious, but the mob mentality and the borderline unhealthy obsession a few posters have with two or three players makes it absolutely impossible to have honest conversations about loses around here.

Until we get consistent defensive play, we will not consistently win games. It would certainly help if the goalies could make an extra save or two, but the core issue is still the shoddy defense.

Seriously though some of you need to get over your weird need to demonize the couple of players you don’t like. Whether it be Greene, Zajac, Cory, or Keith. Just like it was Sal, JJ, or hell even Marty in his final year. It is extremely unhealthy and kind of ****ed up.

Team sport.

God damn if you don't grab on to that Company line and never let go.

If you haven't seen the horrific goals Kinkaid has given up, I really don't know what to tell you.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

lol what? he has 1 top 10 Vezina finish and he's approaching 32! what has he accomplished? what has he proven? he can have high save %'s on bad teams?

yea who wants goalies who stop a high rates of shots!!! what a useless thing to have on a team!!!!!!

boo!! hiss!!!

some of ya'll really don't think a lot before you post things, huh

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

I slept on it and that second goal still doesn't look any better. Every Devils player could have been on the bench and I'd still blame Kinkaid for that goal. It was that bad. And that's saying a lot considering his 5 hole has looked like a train tunnel this season.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

there are only 4 goalies who qualify with a worse SV% than Kinkaid

ironically enough, one of them is Wedgewood

 

[Bleedred]

I slept on it and that second goal still doesn't look any better. Every Devils player could have been on the bench and I'd still blame Kinkaid for that goal. It was that bad. And that's saying a lot considering his 5 hole has looked like a train tunnel this season.

Everything about him these last two games looks like he’s really lacking confidence. The body language is screaming it. His overplaying or non-playing on some of these goals. Even when he’s not being scored on, he’s making routine shots look scary. Even his rebound control has disappeared.

And that first shot he faced in the 3rd period last night, which was the only shot he was credited with facing. Routine shot that popped out or off of his glove and right to the shooter. Luckily the guy who shot it didn’t do much of anything other than put right into his chest.

 

[Holtz My Bahls]

I have never been more angry at a goaltender after a loss in my life. Especially a day later, Kinkaid needs to be shot into the sun.

Turning point for me was his wonderful shootout performance against St. Louis.