Confirmed with Link: Flames acquire Kris Russel for 5th round pick

[MC Ride]

I have never seen or heard about waiver priority changing because a team had claimed someone.

Does anyone have a link to prove that.

I don't think it's true.

I'm pretty sure thats how it works. Every time a team claims a player, the drop to the bottom of the waiver priority list. That way, its always fair

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I'm pretty sure thats how it works. Every time a team claims a player, the drop to the bottom of the waiver priority list. That way, its always fair

It used to be that way with the waiver draft (pre-salary cap CBA)

Not anymore.

 

[The Gnome]

surprised people are not more excited about this pickup. He's better than any of SOB, Butler, and Cundari. Kids got game, It was simply a numbers game on a stacked blueline. As of right now he is a top4 dman on our depth chart. I'd ideally like to get a bigger, gritty, RH dman to play with Brodie on 2nd pair, and push Russell down to the 3rd.

Really wish we would not have signed Butler, the guy is dead weight on skates. Not signing him is addition by subtraction imo. He's an ok depth option I guess, But i'm sure he'll be a regular in the lineup

Gio-Wideman
Brodie-??upgrade??
SOB-Russell

Not too bad at all...

 

[Lunatik]

surprised people are not more excited about this pickup. He's better than any of SOB, Butler, and Cundari. Kids got game, It was simply a numbers game on a stacked blueline. As of right now he is a top4 dman on our depth chart. I'd ideally like to get a bigger, gritty, RH dman to play with Brodie on 2nd pair, and push Russell down to the 3rd.

Really wish we would not have signed Butler, the guy is dead weight on skates. Not signing him is addition by subtraction imo. He's an ok depth option I guess, But i'm sure he'll be a regular in the lineup

Gio-Wideman
Brodie-??upgrade??
SOB-Russell

Not too bad at all...

I respectfully disagree. Russell is not a top 4 defenseman on this team and has never proved himself to be such on any team. He is a bottom pairing offensive defenseman that is poor defensively.

Butler is a better defensive defenseman and has proven himself to be able to log bigger minutes. I am really tired of the way Butler is treated by Flames fans, he was a whipping boy before he ever played his first game for us and people are too stubborn to actually accept he is better than they originally thought.

 

[TheHudlinator]

surprised people are not more excited about this pickup. He's better than any of SOB, Butler, and Cundari. Kids got game, It was simply a numbers game on a stacked blueline. As of right now he is a top4 dman on our depth chart. I'd ideally like to get a bigger, gritty, RH dman to play with Brodie on 2nd pair, and push Russell down to the 3rd.

Really wish we would not have signed Butler, the guy is dead weight on skates. Not signing him is addition by subtraction imo. He's an ok depth option I guess, But i'm sure he'll be a regular in the lineup

Gio-Wideman
Brodie-??upgrade??
SOB-Russell

Not too bad at all...

Butler is so under rated its not even funny.

 

[The Gnome]

I respectfully disagree. Russell is not a top 4 defenseman on this team and has never proved himself to be such on any team. He is a bottom pairing offensive defenseman that is poor defensively.

Butler is a better defensive defenseman and has proven himself to be able to log bigger minutes. I am really tired of the way Butler is treated by Flames fans, he was a whipping boy before he ever played his first game for us and people are too stubborn to actually accept he is better than they originally thought.

we disagree then, Russell IMO is overlooked on a stacked blueline. Pretty sure people will like him more than Butler. I really don't think he's a liability in his own end at all. Unfortunately he does nothing to help our horrible defensive net presence issues. Which is one of our teams biggest problems.

Also, check my history if you want, I was a supporter of Butler's when he first got here and when we acquired him. He simply has nothing significant to add to a lineup. He's soft, shows little desire, lacks net presence, and is good for 1 or 2 boneheaded plays a game. On top of that his first pass is average and he does absolutely nothing offensively.

 

[The Gnome]

Butler is so under rated its not even funny.

How? Explain to me what he adds to our lineup.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Butler is so under rated its not even funny.

Agreed. To the point that its ridiculous.

 

[TheHudlinator]

How? Explain to me what he adds to our lineup.

He is the 4th best defenseman on the team he would not be an addition by subtraction. Even the fact that such an idea can been seen as "good" to anyone shows how completely undervalued he is. He is probably the 2nd best shot blocking defenseman on the team and one of the better pkers as he reads the play quite well and is good at getting in the shooting lanes. He has flaws in his game just like every player (he is softer than I would like, he gives the puck away by trying to do to much).

The only reason he is seen as an addition by subtraction is he is the whipping boy on defense (and has been since day 1). He is a very good #5 defenseman an a adequate #4.

 

[DFF]

Feaster just explained why they used the pick, essentially to avoid arbitration.

That makes sense....on the day everybody is spending money to improve their team, the Flames save some by selling draft pick...

Feaster is becoming an expert at it.

 

[DCDM]

That makes sense....on the day everybody is spending money to improve their team, the Flames save some by selling draft pick...

Feaster is becoming an expert at it.

Because it's a great idea to copy other teams and spend money like its going out of fashion, right?

 

[Anglesmith]

I respectfully disagree. Russell is not a top 4 defenseman on this team and has never proved himself to be such on any team. He is a bottom pairing offensive defenseman that is poor defensively.

I will admit that I am blatantly stat-watching on this, but Russell has never been a minus player over an NHL season, including his seasons with the woeful Columbus Blue Jackets. He was also a pretty good contributor on the Blues, and was pushed off the roster by the addition of two similar players. If you compare our bottom-pairing defencemen who are poor defensively, his stats are much, much better, and were even on Columbus.

 

[The Gnome]

He is the 4th best defenseman on the team he would not be an addition by subtraction. Even the fact that such an idea can been seen as "good" to anyone shows how completely undervalued he is. He is probably the 2nd best shot blocking defenseman on the team and one of the better pkers as he reads the play quite well and is good at getting in the shooting lanes. He has flaws in his game just like every player (he is softer than I would like, he gives the puck away by trying to do to much).

The only reason he is seen as an addition by subtraction is he is the whipping boy on defense (and has been since day 1). He is a very good #5 defenseman an a adequate #4.

He's an average shot blocker, and his ineffectual play is why I hate watching him on the PK. He's useless when our goalies let out a rebound. He's to slow to react and if he's in the right position to separate the man from the puck he doesn't even bother to utilize his large frame.

He is addition by subtraction, unless you love watching half-ass efforts every night. At least guys like Russell and Cundari will leave it out on the ice, even if they have physical limitations. Those guys can help bring a more competitive culture to a team that is clearly lacking just that.

Good news is our team should be a hungry one next year , and they will bust there ass every game. With the exception of Butler, I'm expecting more of the same from him. When he came from being a regular 7th in BUF, you would have thought he would have taken that #4 role on the flames and worked for it. The only reason he'll be a #4 on our team this year is because he's a part of (arguably) the weakest blueline in the league.

Hopefully he proves my foreshadowing wrong.

 

[Lunatik]

I will admit that I am blatantly stat-watching on this, but Russell has never been a minus player over an NHL season, including his seasons with the woeful Columbus Blue Jackets. He was also a pretty good contributor on the Blues, and was pushed off the roster by the addition of two similar players. If you compare our bottom-pairing defencemen who are poor defensively, his stats are much, much better, and were even on Columbus.

You need to step up your stat watching.

Season 1: -12
Season 2: -10
Season 4: -9

and a career -10

I am also basing my opinion on actually watching him play, not on stats. He is not sound defensively.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Butler is so under rated its not even funny.

Criminally so. To the point where I'm tired even arguing the point anymore. He's fine at #4 on the depth chart.

 

[Anglesmith]

You need to step up your stat watching.

Season 1: -12
Season 2: -10
Season 4: -9

and a career -10

I am also basing my opinion on actually watching him play, not on stats. He is not sound defensively.

Boy, maybe I'm thinking about someone else, or else I misread the stats sheet yesterday. I clearly stand corrected.

 

[Lunatik]

Boy, maybe I'm thinking about someone else, or else I misread the stats sheet yesterday. I clearly stand corrected.

probably looked at PIM like I did the other day when talking about Yannick Weber

 

[Sean Monahan]

just want to say i cant wait to see big grats smashing faces in this season! especially that punk sestito

the kids on the team will love him

 

[abracanada]

Chad who?

That's our prize for the day?

Famous last words.

 

[EXTRAS]

How good has he been this season? Top Pairing D-Man? 2nd pairing? #3?

Will he ever play more minutes on the PK?

 

[MonaHan Solo]

Do the Blues want like a free 3rd rounder in 2015? I wouldn't mind at all because Russell is awesome.

 

[DCDM]

A 5th round pick can't set an NHL record in blocked shots.

What a hero. Russell deserves his A without a doubt.

 

[StreakingRed]

A 5th round pick can't set an NHL record in blocked shots.

Best return for a 5th round pick ever for this franchise.

Russell deserves his A without a doubt.

Absolutely.

 

[CraigsList]

I respectfully disagree. Russell is not a top 4 defenseman on this team and has never proved himself to be such on any team. He is a bottom pairing offensive defenseman that is poor defensively.

Butler is a better defensive defenseman and has proven himself to be able to log bigger minutes. I am really tired of the way Butler is treated by Flames fans, he was a whipping boy before he ever played his first game for us and people are too stubborn to actually accept he is better than they originally thought.

 

[Lunatik]

I've eaten my crow on this many times.