And by plenty you mean 95% of the list.
Seeing someone list guys like Alex Edler and f***in Damon Severson as apparently better than Pietrangelo is enough HF for today. Time to log out.
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Seeing someone list guys like Alex Edler and f***in Damon Severson as apparently better than Pietrangelo is enough HF for today. Time to log out.
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Not sure what's up with everyone's reading comprehension today, but I never said all of those players were better than Petro. OP said to name other consistent #1 Defensemen, which I did.
But w/e, feel free to root for giving Petro $10M and forcing the Blues to start breaking up the roster.
It was asked that if Pietrangelo isn’t a consistent #1D then who is, you answering implied that those guys are more consistent than Pietrangelo.
As for what Pietrangelo will get, his pre-COVID ask was apparently less than the $9.05m that Josi got. So he’s not getting $9m, never mind $10m.
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Yea, and look who OP was quoting when he said that, not me, if you read my other posts I repeatedly pointed out that Petro can be streaky but is still consistently good overall. I was simply listing other #1 D because reading the thread I was getting the impression that a lot of Blues fans were overvaluing Petro because they forgot there are other good Defensemen in the league.
As for the posts mocking the names I listed. I will leave this link showing the Norris votes for 2018-2019. Petro got exactly 0 but 22 other players did receive votes.
2018-19 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com
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I’m not sure what your point is here. That all those players on that list are better than Pietrangleo because they got at least one Norris vote for the 2018-19 season?
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I think most of that list is inferior both in play and consistency. There are only a few players that I would call true #1 defensemen on that list. There are also a lot of them who are very inconsistent by #1 D standards.
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I agree with this, and to add to it, I would say that regardless of their level of "consistency", there are several names on there where their best stretch of games will still not be at the same level of Petro's worst stretch of games.
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That’s the way I’m looking at it and I’ve always been hard on Petro because I hold him to higher standards due to his ice time and salary.
If they would take him off the #1 PP unit then I would probably be all about re-signing him lol. It’s a tough spot with the cap not going up and a number of key players needing to be re-signed.
The loss of Jaybo (assuming he retires) is a huge one. I know he was taking it 1 year at a time before the incident but it felt like he had at least a couple more years of high quality play left in him. Dmen are harder to replace than a typical forward. For the Blues to lose 2 long time reliable veterans out of their top 4 would be tough for sure.
If they can find a way to get Petro resigned then I like our d core going forward. The Scandella trade/signing was a solid one. He feels like an upgraded Edmonson. I know Faulk has been a disaster but if he could get back to playing up to his potential then the Blues would be just fine.
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Slightly OT but related. Did anyone read the rankings on prospects on the Athletic? 2020 NHL organizational rankings: No. 20 St. Louis Blues
A bit depressing how bare our prospect list has become.
A bit depressing how bare our prospect list has become.
If they didn’t include Thomas as a prospect by this definition, I have a hard time thinking the Blues wouldn’t be pretty close to the bottom. There aren’t many guys you can point to outside the NHL who could help. Kostin? Probably a bottom 6 guy. Perunovich? Hopefully can be a PMD with a big mobile partner. But he’ll have to prove he can handle the physicality of the NHL. Mikkola? I think we’re hoping he can be a 3rd pairing guy on the cheap. I would argue Kyrou is already in NHL player, or borderline anyway. That’s pretty much it. Nothing to get excited about.
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I think I did this analysis in a different thread, but if you look at the raw or per game numbers for AP since he broke into the league full time (2011 or whatever) he's consistently in the top 5-10 of almost every major offensive category, while being in the top 10 of SH ice time a game per D man, yet did all this while ranking like 30-something in PP ice time per game (I think I filtered on minimum 100 games or something). If you don't think AP has been a legit #1 D man for pretty much his entire career I don't know what to tell you. Think of what his offensive numbers would look like if he had gotten Shattenkirk's #1 PP minutes all these years too.
We traded combined 4 1sts for Schenn and ROR. I suspect our prospect ranking would’ve much higher if we hadn’t made those trades. We also wouldn’t have Cup. So not at all depressing to me.
I haven’t looked at past lists but I’d wager that every Cup winner has been near the bottom. Not very concerning to me.
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A lot of folks including me said they'd trade anything for a Cup. I guess we'll find out
At least the 1st rounder that was Thompson wouldn't help our prospect pool too much, so 3 1sts and someone headed to bustville seems even less of a bad trade
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You can't win the Cup and be a contender on a regular basis, and also consistently have a deep prospect pool. It doesn't depress me at all that our prospect pool sucks because that's a side effect from having just won the Cup. Now if Pietrangelo walks, that would definitely depress me.
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I'm curious where Tampa ranks on said list - while they haven't won the cup, they've been in the mix for the cup since 2015 with CF or SCF appearances in 4 times since the 2014-15 season (4/6). Add in last year's abysmal 1st round performance and the 2016-17 playoff miss and that's still a damn consistent squad.
They've consistently been spending picks and prospects - but seem to have a steady influx of prospects and contributors developed inside the organization.
Tampa is 25. Others of note: Boston 23, Vegas 24, Sharks 28, Preds 29, Pens 30, Caps 31.
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It would take an act of god to move Faulk this off-season. It'll also cost us in the ED, but it'd be worth it.
