#FIRECHIA

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Bingo.

If Chia isn't held accountable we can just start the countdown to decade of darkness part II.

You and a couple others have resorting to merely shouting down any reasonable and rational discussion in this thread.

Pretty sad.

Maybe you should read my response than a mindless pile on.

By the way, we won today.

 

[shoop]

10 years not 11. This franchise was the laughing stock. That ended. Get over it.

Since you whined to be refuted point by point I'll start with this one. You really think being a laughing stock ends because of one good season? If the next season is a return to horrendous then the laughing continues.

Bad luck, injuries, a pretty nasty illness that stretched to 20 games for our best player, some player regression, some holes not filled. Sure, its all part of what is called the NHL. Patience pays off. I know we were force fed that for a decade, but I look forward and not behind.

Credit where it's due. This part is the most reasonable part of your post ... maybe. If Talbot is healthy, Sekera comes back soon and McDavid really is feeling better you could be right. A 70-some point season and you definitely ain't right.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

To see whose doing the whining please look in the mirror.

 

[McJadeddog]

Toronto's results speak for themselves. Matthews is not going to know what it feels like to not be playing playoff hockey any time soon, that will be a foreign concept to him ... Connor McDavid probably is going to get very used to that feeling. Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin have not missed the playoffs twice in 12+ seasons, McDavid is going to have that notch on his belt by year 3. This franchise should be ashamed of itself.

This paragraph should be screamed from the rooftops and should be referred to whenever the talk of whether Chia has done a good job or not is brought up. Chia has taken the *literal* golden ticket that is McDavid, and turned it into failure for 66% of his tenure. How is this acceptable?

If McDavid was injured for most of the season like Stamkos was last year, or if we only missed the playoffs this year by 2 points (lol, not happening, not by a LONG SHOT), then I could see an argument at least. But as it stands we are a very healthy team, and are going to miss the playoffs by 10+ points, and very likely more. All while having one of the lowest cap-hit teams in the league, on the last year of a generational players ELC. Jesus H Christ. What would it take for some people to think that Chia has done a simply terrible job?

 

[Soundwave]

I'm done with patience. I want a new era of reasoned, logical accountability instead of wishful hoping that everything works out with time. I'm done with that.

"Patience" in Oiler-land is really just a codeword for "we need more time to make up for mismanagement". That's really what we're talking about. GM has made some boo-boos, now lets give him more time to fix it because he must know what he's doing. Just trust him. No more of that. This is a results oriented business and we should expect results just like any other business would demand.

There is nothing special about Chiarelli. Any number of GMs if given Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Oscar Klefbom, Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov, Justin Schultz, Darnell Nurse, another 2015 1st (could have been Barzal), an extra 2015 2nd, and then another top 5 pick in 2016 would be able to create a competitive team in three years time. Toronto did it in one year with half the assets we have, so spare me the "Chiarelli is some magical genius" kool-aid. Calgary made the playoffs in 2/3 years of the Tiny Hobbit Gaudreau era. In Edmonton if they miss this year, with much more to start with than the Flames how is that remotely acceptable? And Feaster got fired in Calgary anyway.

Who here thinks Chiarelli really is the only person who could have gotten this team in the playoffs with that to start with? You're delusional if you think that, 10-15-maybe even 20 other GMs given that to work with would give you equal or perhaps better results. Even Tambellini I think if given all that to start with from day 1 would likely get the Oilers into the playoffs once in a three year cycle.

Three years is a reasonable amount of time given all the top flight assets that he started with to expect real results, not more excuses as to why things don't go our way for the upteenth year.

Make the playoffs with Connor McDavid or you can get out. Playoffs even aren't some magical goal, the only accomplishment in playoffs is that you were better than the bottom crappier half of the league. More than half the teams make the playoffs every year. For this to some monumental task for this franchise is pathetic. We should not even be discussing whether or not we are making playoffs three years after drafting Connor McDavid, that shouldn't even be a discussion on this board period. We should be talking about being one of the top teams in the West and how we are going to hold off the team's chasing us for the Pacific Division lead. This is sad and pathetic that into year 3 we're getting more excuses about how "more time" is needed.

 

[VainGretzky]

Chia has been bad but wow Ottawa Traded their 2 top Centers in Turris and Zinbanejed The trades were a joke Turris , Hammond . 2107 1st 2018 1st For Duchene lol Turris has 4g 12a 16 pts for Preds in 16 gp Duchene Has 2g 3a 5 pts in 17 gp with Sens and is -8 Horrible trade Zinbanjed trade just as bad 6 years younger and Sens also gave up a 2nd in 2018 for Brassard and a 7th ZIn has 25g 34a 59 pts in 80gp for Nyr Brassard has 57 pts in 112 games and is past his prime Zin just entering it .

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

Exactly. I keep seeing people say he should get at least another year but I've seen nothing in his work here that suggests he deserves another chance.

My expectations of them making the playoffs this year with the best player in the world on his last ELC year are too high?

yup.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Chia has been bad but wow Ottawa Traded their 2 top Centers in Turris and Zinbanejed The trades were a joke Turris , Hammond . 2107 1st 2018 1st For Duchene lol Turris has 4g 12a 16 pts for Preds in 16 gp Duchene Has 2g 3a 5 pts in 17 gp with Sens and is -8 Horrible trade Zinbanjed trade just as bad 6 years younger and Sens also gave up a 2nd in 2018 for Brassard and a 7th ZIn has 25g 34a 59 pts in 80gp for Nyr Brassard has 57 pts in 112 games and is past his prime Zin just entering it .

The Oilers don't have an internal cap we know of or a meddling owner, so this is not really relative

If we had the attendance Ott does, I doubt Drai would have been signed

 

[StevenF1919]

yup.

You're getting the team you deserve this year then. Some of us aren't satisfied with constant mediocrity like you apparently are.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

This paragraph should be screamed from the rooftops and should be referred to whenever the talk of whether Chia has done a good job or not is brought up. Chia has taken the *literal* golden ticket that is McDavid, and turned it into failure for 66% of his tenure. How is this acceptable?

If McDavid was injured for most of the season like Stamkos was last year, or if we only missed the playoffs this year by 2 points (lol, not happening, not by a LONG SHOT), then I could see an argument at least. But as it stands we are a very healthy team, and are going to miss the playoffs by 10+ points, and very likely more. All while having one of the lowest cap-hit teams in the league, on the last year of a generational players ELC. Jesus H Christ. What would it take for some people to think that Chia has done a simply terrible job?

Exactly this. And it's not only McDavid, Chia had one of the richest pool of assets in the NHL to work with. Yet somehow managed to squander Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Matt Barzal, Anthony Beauviller, and Justin Schultz into Adam Larsson, Ryan Strome, and Matthew Cairns. And of the assets he didn't piss away, he did his best to screw us over anyway (Draisaitl getting 8.5 million despite literally every other similar aged player of his caliber going for 6-7.5). Not even Craig MacTavish displayed misjudgment of talent this egregious. Honestly all we need is a second Mike Milbury type trade (the first being Barzal and Beauviller for Reinhart) for Chiarelli to put his hat in the ring for worst GM in the NHL.

Chia has been bad but wow Ottawa Traded their 2 top Centers in Turris and Zinbanejed The trades were a joke Turris , Hammond . 2107 1st 2018 1st For Duchene lol Turris has 4g 12a 16 pts for Preds in 16 gp Duchene Has 2g 3a 5 pts in 17 gp with Sens and is -8 Horrible trade Zinbanjed trade just as bad 6 years younger and Sens also gave up a 2nd in 2018 for Brassard and a 7th ZIn has 25g 34a 59 pts in 80gp for Nyr Brassard has 57 pts in 112 games and is past his prime Zin just entering it .

These are a pair of awful trades from Ottawa. But they look like genius moves compared to Barzal and Beauviller for Reinhart. At least Brassard and Duchene are still in the NHL.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Who here thinks Chiarelli really is the only person who could have gotten this team in the playoffs with that to start with? You're delusional if you think that, 10-15-maybe even 20 other GMs given that to work with would give you equal or perhaps better results. Even Tambellini I think if given all that to start with from day 1 would likely get the Oilers into the playoffs once in a three year cycle.

Tambellini had RNH, Hall, Eberle, Schultz, Petry and Dubnyk on this team and STILL couldn't manage to put together a competitive team
what makes you think he'd do any better with the pieces we have in place now?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Exactly this. And it's not only McDavid, Chia had one of the richest pool of assets in the NHL to work with. Yet somehow managed to squander Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Matt Barzal, Anthony Beauviller, and Justin Schultz into Adam Larsson, Ryan Strome, and Matthew Cairns. And of the assets he didn't piss away, he did his best to screw us over anyway (Draisaitl getting 8.5 million despite literally every other similar aged player of his caliber going for 6-7.5). Not even Craig MacTavish displayed misjudgment of talent this egregious. Honestly all we need is a second Mike Milbury type trade (the first being Barzal and Beauviller for Reinhart) for Chiarelli to put his hat in the ring for worst GM in the NHL.

no MacT collected all those fancy and valuable assets yet never won actual hockey games

but at least he kept all that collection of talent together!

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

no MacT collected all those fancy and valuable assets yet never won actual hockey games

but at least he kept all that collection of talent together!

The funny thing is, some of the only reasons we're winning hockey games is due to MacT acquisitions, namely Draisaitl and Nurse. Dude's not a good GM at all, but at least he just makes bad decisions. Chiarelli makes franchise crippling decisions that have likely set the franchise back for years.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Exactly this. And it's not only McDavid, Chia had one of the richest pool of assets in the NHL to work with. Yet somehow managed to squander Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Matt Barzal, Anthony Beauviller, and Justin Schultz into Adam Larsson, Ryan Strome, and Matthew Cairns. And of the assets he didn't piss away, he did his best to screw us over anyway (Draisaitl getting 8.5 million despite literally every other similar aged player of his caliber going for 6-7.5). Not even Craig MacTavish displayed misjudgment of talent this egregious. Honestly all we need is a second Mike Milbury type trade (the first being Barzal and Beauviller for Reinhart) for Chiarelli to put his hat in the ring for worst GM in the NHL.

These are a pair of awful trades from Ottawa. But they look like genius moves compared to Barzal and Beauviller for Reinhart. At least Brassard and Duchene are still in the NHL.

Those two prospects were never in the oilers organization.

 

[Mr Positive]

With McLellan and Chia, we don't want to be too spastic and start firing them. That's what got Florida in trouble. If your rough patch is less than half a season, and there are injuries and illness involved, then be a bit patient. They have their good reps for good reasons.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The funny thing is, some of the only reasons we're winning hockey games is due to MacT acquisitions, namely Draisaitl and Nurse. Dude's not a good GM at all, but at least he just makes bad decisions. Chiarelli makes franchise crippling decisions that have likely set the franchise back for years.

nope, the main reason we won a lot of games last year was because of Chia's acquisition of Talbot

not to mention completely revamping the entire blueline bringing in Sekera, Larsson and Russell

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The Fire Chiarelli logic broken down:

1. He trades away valuable assets for nothing.
2. He signs bad players for too much and too long a term.
3. He could have signed better players for much less.
4. He could have traded for better players and gave up much less.
5. He is solely to blame for missing the playoffs in Connor McDavids ELC 2 out of 3 years.
6. What if he is allowed to continue beyond this moment in time, the damage he could do to the franchise is immense. (this point should be screamed at the top of your voice while running and pulling hair)
7. Our window to win the Stanley Cup will never be greater than this one year.
8. The Oilers should hire anyone because anyone is better than Chiarelli.
9. Cap space went unused.
10. Look at Toronto.
11. We won in year 2 because of MacTavish acquisitions.
12. Any assets of value Chiarelli acquired are because he was gifted them (see: Talbot, Cam)
13. If you think Chiarelli should be given a 4th year then why not 5? We owe him nothing. He is not some magic man.
14. Any GM of the Oilers who misses the playoffs once should be automatically fired.
15. If you disagree you are an idiot who risks revisiting the decades of darkness. (repeat this point over and over and over and over and over and over again)

Discussion over, see point 15.

Close thread.

 

[oiLowe]

The Fire Chiarelli logic broken down:

1. He trades away valuable assets for nothing.
2. He signs bad players for too much and too long a term.
3. He could have signed better players for much less.
4. He could have traded for better players and gave up much less.
5. He is solely to blame for missing the playoffs in Connor McDavids ELC 2 out of 3 years.
6. What if he is allowed to continue beyond this moment in time, the damage he could do to the franchise is immense. (this point should be screamed at the top of your voice while running and pulling hair)
7. Our window to win the Stanley Cup will never be greater than this one year.
8. The Oilers should hire anyone because anyone is better than Chiarelli.
9. Cap space went unused.
10. Look at Toronto.
11. We won in year 2 because of MacTavish acquisitions.
12. Any assets of value Chiarelli acquired are because he was gifted them (see: Talbot, Cam)
13. If you think Chiarelli should be given a 4th year then why not 5? We owe him nothing. He is not some magic man.
14. Any GM of the Oilers who misses the playoffs once should be automatically fired.
15. If you disagree you are an idiot who risks revisiting the decades of darkness. (repeat this point over and over and over and over and over and over again)

Discussion over, see point 15.

Close thread.

I don’t think Chia has been great but I also don’t think firing him and giving up on your current team does anything to help the cause.

My question after reading through this thread is; what if the oilers somehow make the playoffs? Is chia safe in that case or do those of you calling to fire him still demand that he must go?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

nope, the main reason we won a lot of games last year was because of Chia's acquisition of Talbot

not to mention completely revamping the entire blueline bringing in Sekera, Larsson and Russell

First of all I'm talking about this year, in which case Talbot has not been a net positive contributor. And while he was amazing last season, Glen Sather literally came to the media and stated that he purposely gave the Oilers a discount on Talbot as a retirement gift, and nobody involved with the Oilers have ever refuted the claim. So good on Chiarelli for identifying Talbot as a talent, however he deserves less than full credit considering Sather probably could've bled him for value if he wanted judging by Chiarelli's trade history.

Larsson and Russell are not good moves. Adam Larsson is a good player, Taylor Hall is objectively better. Also, the days following the trade, multiple GMs claimed that they would have beat the offer (take that for what you will, but I personally don't doubt it). How you can consider Kris Russell and his cap crippling 4x4 a good move is beyond me.

 

[booyakasha]

The Oilers don't have an internal cap we know of or a meddling owner, so this is not really relative

If we had the attendance Ott does, I doubt Drai would have been signed

ya we do.
one of the worst in fact.​

 

[StevenF1919]

The Fire Chiarelli logic broken down:

1. He trades away valuable assets for nothing.
2. He signs bad players for too much and too long a term.
3. He could have signed better players for much less.
4. He could have traded for better players and gave up much less.
5. He is solely to blame for missing the playoffs in Connor McDavids ELC 2 out of 3 years.
6. What if he is allowed to continue beyond this moment in time, the damage he could do to the franchise is immense. (this point should be screamed at the top of your voice while running and pulling hair)
7. Our window to win the Stanley Cup will never be greater than this one year.
8. The Oilers should hire anyone because anyone is better than Chiarelli.
9. Cap space went unused.
10. Look at Toronto.
11. We won in year 2 because of MacTavish acquisitions.
12. Any assets of value Chiarelli acquired are because he was gifted them (see: Talbot, Cam)
13. If you think Chiarelli should be given a 4th year then why not 5? We owe him nothing. He is not some magic man.
14. Any GM of the Oilers who misses the playoffs once should be automatically fired.
15. If you disagree you are an idiot who risks revisiting the decades of darkness. (repeat this point over and over and over and over and over and over again)

Discussion over, see point 15.

Close thread.

1. He does do that, all the time. See the Reinhart deal, Eberle, and the massive loss on the Hall trade.
2. Yup. See Russell, Gryba, Lucic (not bad but the contract sucks), and the huge overpayment for Draisaitl.
3. Debateable, but there were some cheap vets that signed this offseason that could have been useful.
4. 100%. Only getting Larsson back in the Hall trade was a travesty. Another NHL GM even said that if he had known Hall was available he would have offered more.
5. Downgrading the roster and not filling holes this offseason is a massive part of why they won't make the playoffs.
6. He's already traded away Hall, Eberle, and those Reinhart picks for peanuts and put us in cap hell. The longer he stays in charge the more damage he'll do.
7. This was McDavid's last ELC year. We had an extra 9mil this year due to his contract to put together a winning team and contend for the cup. It's unacceptable that we won't even be in the playoffs.
8. Chiarelli has done a worse job than Tambo and MacT did. I think we'd struggle to hire anyone worse.
9. Yeah, it went unused despite us having massive holes on the right side and no competent backup goalie.
10. Toronto is how this team should have been built. Fast and skilled, not big and slow.
11. No one has argued this. Nice strawman.
12. Talbot was gifted to us, this is common knowledge. Chiarelli did a good job acquiring Maroon and Sekera but that doesn't outweigh all his bad moves.
13. Why should he be given a 4th year? He's got the best player in the world on his team and he's 1 for 3 in making the playoffs.
14. No one said this. In the context of Chiarelli's time here and the terrible moves he made, missing the playoffs should result in him being dismissed.
15. No one said this.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

1. He does do that, all the time. See the Reinhart deal, Eberle, and the massive loss on the Hall trade.
2. Yup. See Russell, Gryba, Lucic (not bad but the contract sucks), and the huge overpayment for Draisaitl.
3. Debateable, but there were some cheap vets that signed this offseason that could have been useful.
4. 100%. Only getting Larsson back in the Hall trade was a travesty. Another NHL GM even said that if he had known Hall was available he would have offered more.
5. Downgrading the roster and not filling holes this offseason is a massive part of why they won't make the playoffs.
6. He's already traded away Hall, Eberle, and those Reinhart picks for peanuts and put us in cap hell. The longer he stays in charge the more damage he'll do.
7. This was McDavid's last ELC year. We had an extra 9mil this year due to his contract to put together a winning team and contend for the cup. It's unacceptable that we won't even be in the playoffs.
8. Chiarelli has done a worse job than Tambo and MacT did. I think we'd struggle to hire anyone worse.
9. Yeah, it went unused despite us having massive holes on the right side and no competent backup goalie.
10. Toronto is how this team should have been built. Fast and skilled, not big and slow.
11. No one has argued this. Nice strawman.
12. Talbot was gifted to us, this is common knowledge. Chiarelli did a good job acquiring Maroon and Sekera but that doesn't outweigh all his bad moves.
13. Why should he be given a 4th year? He's got the best player in the world on his team and he's 1 for 3 in making the playoffs.
14. No one said this. In the context of Chiarelli's time here and the terrible moves he made, missing the playoffs should result in him being dismissed.
15. No one said this.

Re-14 re-read the thread. Several posters have stated quite clearly that missing the playoffs with McDavid is inexcusable and therefore a GM should be fired cold-heartedly.
Re-15, one poster was called an idiot and I a fool, and several have been shouted down and piled on repeatedly.

I am glad I got all other points correct in your estimation. It tells me there is no reason or rational in continuing on in this thread as it is not a discussion thread but a bash Chiarelli thread. Enjoy your bashing.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

First of all I'm talking about this year, in which case Talbot has not been a net positive contributor. And while he was amazing last season, Glen Sather literally came to the media and stated that he purposely gave the Oilers a discount on Talbot as a retirement gift, and nobody involved with the Oilers have ever refuted the claim. So good on Chiarelli for identifying Talbot as a talent, however he deserves less than full credit considering Sather probably could've bled him for value if he wanted judging by Chiarelli's trade history

pure speculation
and he still identified Talbot as a starter and brought him in, no matter how you try and downplay it

Larsson and Russell are not good moves. Adam Larsson is a good player, Taylor Hall is objectively better. Also, the days following the trade, multiple GMs claimed that they would have beat the offer (take that for what you will, but I personally don't doubt it). How you can consider Kris Russell and his cap crippling 4x4 a good move is beyond me.

2 year too long sure, but don't let that blind you to the fact he's an effective player that everyone on the team loves

defense pre-Chiarelli

Nikitin-Fayne
Klefbom-Schultz
Ference-Marincin/Hunt

2 NHLers...lol

but we did have Hall, RNH, Eberle tearing up the league...oh wait..

 

[StevenF1919]

Re-14 re-read the thread. Several posters have stated quite clearly that missing the playoffs with McDavid is inexcusable and therefore a GM should be fired cold-heartedly.
Re-15, one poster was called an idiot and I a fool, and several have been shouted down and piled on repeatedly.

I am glad I got all other points correct in your estimation. It tells me there is no reason or rational in continuing on in this thread as it is not a discussion thread but a bash Chiarelli thread. Enjoy your bashing.

Missing the playoffs is not necessarily the issue, it's the fact that his moves have contributed to a team with a very good core and the best player in the world on it missing the playoffs. He's had 3 years to turn a core of players that any GM in the league would dream of having into a contender and we're a lottery team right now.

One poster called someone else an idiot so now that's what all the fire Chia posters do? I've had people call me worse here for bashing Chia at the beginning of the year and some posters wanted me banned from the boards. That doesn't reflect the pro-Chia people and the majority of people in this thread have been very civil. Stick to arguing the facts instead of making sweeping generalizations about the other side.

So you admit that he's made all of those mistakes then? It's very reasonable to be upset about all of those points since they all contributed to the team's lack of success this year.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The team is still miles away from a playoff position. One win does not change that.

They have a .333% win percentage at home. Even in our worst seasons were weren't that porous on home ice.