Fire Travis Green

[rune74]

They said an old dog can't learn new trick
Apparently Green is older than we thought


1 shot in 6 PP last game
Still keep the Sedins on 1st unit
Horvat gets replace by Burmistrov

You didn't get enough attention from the post on the main boards?

Way to soon for this.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

has there been firing of two coaches in a row before GM getting one? (excluding midterm oaches) sry fur redundant question; i dont trust my memory

overreacting much...honestly?
dont we have a coach that specifically works on the pp? pretty sure he was also bad a yr before....didnt get canned for some reason

if u/we r specifically complaining on our PP usage: pp coach > gm/linden > coach
firing in that order....or something

 

[MS]

Not that I love Green's handling of vets, but I absolutely hate when Willie D's incompetence is over-simplified to just 'playing veterans over rookies', which is something that a lot of coaches can be guilty of. He's awful in so many more egregiously baffling ways than just that.

Calling Green the equivalent of Desjardins excuses too much of what Desjardins fails at.

I'll start drawing the comparison when Green forgets how to line match and starts giving bat-**** crazy and completely nonsensical reasoning for every stupid decision he makes.

Yeah. And the thread title is silly.

Green is to me a good coach who knows how to run a tight bench - he's not even remotely Willie. But the player usage is exactly what I expected. If you're a young player and you don't play out of your skin every single night, you'll be the guy scapegoated even if a half-dozen veterans are playing far worse.

Also, it's incredibly amusing that the two PP specialists (Gagner and Vanek) that we signed during the summer who are useless at everything else have both taken 4 games to be taken completely off the PP.

 

[VanJack]

Yeah. And the thread title is silly.

Green is to me a good coach who knows how to run a tight bench - he's not even remotely Willie. But the player usage is exactly what I expected. If you're a young player and you don't play out of your skin every single night, you'll be the guy scapegoated even if a half-dozen veterans are playing far worse.

Also, it's incredibly amusing that the two PP specialists (Gagner and Vanek) that we signed during the summer who are useless at everything else have both taken 4 games to be taken completely off the PP.

The guys who need to be taken off the pp are the Sedins....Craig Button just threw them under the bus on TSN 1040.....cites them as being too slow; too predictable; and harried by penalty-killers who are simply too fast for them. Maybe Green watched too much film of Willie's pp from last season, and is being subliminally influenced.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Wow..after a whopping sample of 4 NHL games...Welcome to 'Knee Jerk Central' folks.....

 

[RandV]

This team will be stale with the twins in the line up..
It only will get better after they are gone.i have loved what they have done for this team,and city.They are not 20 year olds any more.It time for this team to cut ties.

Is there a point in their career that would make you think they demand top line and 1st unit PP ice time or they'll take their ball and go home? They're no longer good enough to lead the team, but it's the coaches (and saying fire Green already is ridiculous) that keeps deploying them like this.

I think they themselves have said that they'll fill any role that is required of them. So you can 'unstale' the team simply by moving them down the lineup or off the 1st PP unit. Hell with the right setup at even strength you could even split them up so they each provide a veteran presence for a line. For example next year maybe sign them for $3M each and role something like:

Baerstchi-Horvat-Boeser
Virtanen-Henrik-Goldobin
Daniel-Pettersson-Granlund

 

[EpochLink]

Smithers: what? already!?
Mr.Burns: yes

Pipe in laughter*

 

[ddawg1950]

Watched the entire Sens Oiler game and their PP was impressive. Not fancy but the puck movement was so fast that there was no way the Oil forwards could keep up.

Our PP is so slow that there are no quality shots being generated. And therefore, very little possibility to score.

I am a life long fan of the Sedins, but they should no longer be on the top two PP options.

In this case it is not the system, it is the personnel.

The fix is obvious. Coaches have to face the fact. The twins are now third liners. Love ‘em, but it is time for the people running this team to face what is clear on the ice.

 

[M2Beezy]

Is there a prize for the first "fire the coach" post ?

I put it under my username first actually. IMMEDIATELY following saturdays INSANITY

 

[Grantham]

Garbage in, garbage out...

The composition of this roster is so poor. Great teams are made from the Defense and Center position out. We are poor in both respects. Our defense is ok when Edler and Tanev are healthy, but how long does that last.

 

[Canucks LB]

Lmao a bit early no

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

This allstar team should be undefeated 82-0. Anything less is a fireable offense. This lineup is too good to lose.

 

[Yggdrasil]

LOL we are less than two weeks into the season. I love that this thread has already been made.

canuck fans are one of the most fickle, i pretty much hate them...too quick to judge, every time and zero patience.

 

[Wilch]

Yeah. And the thread title is silly.

Green is to me a good coach who knows how to run a tight bench - he's not even remotely Willie. But the player usage is exactly what I expected. If you're a young player and you don't play out of your skin every single night, you'll be the guy scapegoated even if a half-dozen veterans are playing far worse.

Also, it's incredibly amusing that the two PP specialists (Gagner and Vanek) that we signed during the summer who are useless at everything else have both taken 4 games to be taken completely off the PP.

It's unfortunate. He's not the right guy to be running this team right now.

 

[MS]

This allstar team should be undefeated 82-0. Anything less is a fireable offense. This lineup is too good to lose.

Nobody cares about the record. People care about the process.

When the only two prospect forwards on the team have both been benched in the first 4 games and our best forward (and best young player overall) is getting taken off the PP while worse veterans are left there ... people are going to be pissed.

Fans are OK with losing with kids. Fans are not OK with losing with an old team where kids are marginalized.

If we were 0-4 but Boeser/Virtanen/Goldobin/Horvat were all getting big minutes and looking great, there would be a much more positive vibe than if we were 2-2 with our 108 y/o top line getting shovelled all the prime soft offensive minutes.

 

[Donuts]

Willie green.
Young players get benched and scratched while veteran duds get a free pass.

Just saw the practice lines. bo demoted to 3rd line; burmistrov and granlund take top 6 mins. Hopefully thats not the lineup next game.

Benning will want more vets at this rate. Expect a hutton trade for a veteran player.

Canadian teams roll with their young guys and let them make mistakes but not this team.

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

Nobody cares about the record. People care about the process.

When the only two prospect forwards on the team have both been benched in the first 4 games and our best forward (and best young player overall) is getting taken off the PP while worse veterans are left there ... people are going to be pissed.

Fans are OK with losing with kids. Fans are not OK with losing with an old team where kids are marginalized.

If we were 0-4 but Boeser/Virtanen/Goldobin/Horvat were all getting big minutes and looking great, there would be a much more positive vibe than if we were 2-2 with our 108 y/o top line getting shovelled all the prime soft offensive minutes.

I would love to see the Sedins off the PP, but expecting a rookie coach to dump his legacy first line 4 games in is bonkers. He's trying other options. If they fail, then you cut the Sedins PP time.

 

[Melvin]

Exactly.

What will determine how Willie he is, is how long things last. If he keeps rolling with the same stuff that isn't working through game 60 of the season, then he is Willie. So far it looks like he is already trying a bunch of different things to see what works. The young guys will play, calm the f*** down.

 

[WTG]

Exactly.

What will determine how Willie he is, is how long things last. If he keeps rolling with the same stuff that isn't working through game 60 of the season, then he is Willie. So far it looks like he is already trying a bunch of different things to see what works. The young guys will play, calm the **** down.

Green has being doing this sort of stuff as far as I remember. Legit, from the first time I watched Green in Utica in 2014 to now, he's always done nonsense that favors veterans and will bench kids. He's a veteran coach. The only time I've seen a prospect play over a veteran is if the prospect is so massively better then the veteran that it would be stupid to not do it. This has been a problem forever with Green now. So expecting him to change it up is just not a reasonable thing to do.

This will continue just like it continued with Willie. I remember there being the same kind of narrative spun that Willie is "changing it up eventually", and look what happened there. Nothing. Same thing here, I'd be surprised if Green abandons his dumb veteran bias, because the only reason he got a NHL gig is by riding the vets.


Travis Green in the AHL refused to do his job of giving prospects key critical icetime and would constantly bench them and in some cases scratch them. Denying them icetime is the worst thing you can do to a prospect in terms of development but he did it. As a form of punishment for a prospect making a mistake. It was egregious then, it's egregious now. Travis Green is simply not a very good developmental coach and simply isn't a good coach in general. The only successful season he's had in the AHL is one where Markstrom carried him. The rest of the years he's failed to either make the playoffs or get out of the 1st round. Travis Green is overrated through and through, I said this before the signing and now I'm saying it after the signing. This guy is not NHL caliber.

 

[Melvin]

I know. You don't have to copy/paste the same post 50 times per day.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Trade Pettersen!

 

[WTG]

I know. You don't have to copy/paste the same post 50 times per day.

If you knew you wouldn't defend Travis Green.

Guys not a good coach, his moves make no sense, and firing him should have been done years ago.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

I miss 2015/16 'watches Boeser in ND' happy WTG

 

[Melvin]

I am not a big fan of his but willing to give him a chance and look at the broader picture rather than simply throwing a tantrum every time an evil over-25 player gets more minutes than someone like Virtanen who should be in Utica anyways.

I really could care less about what he did in the minor leagues.

Boeser is playing now. He is being deployed reasonably. Virtanen does not belong in the NHL. Horvat will play, no reason to be concerned there. Just reel it in a few thousand notches.

I know he didn't play Hutton in Utica in 2012. I know all about his usage in Utica. That is irrelevant now.

 

[WTG]

I miss 2015/16 'watches Boeser in ND' happy WTG

Everybodies got to let off some steam. I remember how heated I got years ago with that AHL - Winning vs development thread with Green's shitty deployment and ever since then I just get insanely triggered like a bull that sees red.

I can't handle this garbage anymore, I've seen so many Utica games with Green's boring ass system overplaying Bancs and Hamilton every god damn game, that I just get enraged whenever I see Green do this nonsense. I remember I got equally as heated when he was being discussed to be hired, and once he got hired.


You're right I've got to lighten up, last year it was easy because everybody knew Willie was getting fired, but this year it seems people are want to defend Willie 2.0 and I can't handle that. Plus the NCAA is about to kick right into gear next week, so expect some more analysis and less "spaz WTG"