Fire Hakstol

[whitstifier]

nothing Hak is doing promises long term success.. unless success is measured as bottom of league and no POs season after season

I was referring more to upper management.

 

[Rebels57]

Worst in the league.

 

[WIP CALLER]

When better talent arrives.
Defensive hockey is boring until you have the talent to instantly flip the ice off a turnover in the neutral zone.

sooooo never since haktard refuses to utilize talent when it does arrive.

 

[deadhead]

What talent?

The fantasy that if you change coaches this will suddenly become a talented team is amusing since we went from Lavi to Berube to Hakstol with little impact on the team performance, because as long as Hextall didn't add NHL ready talent, it didn't matter who was coaching.

Hextall choose Hakstol, he knew exactly what scheme he runs - so he chose the scheme as much as the coach.
The next coach will also run a defensive oriented scheme because that's what Hextall wants.
He may be better looking, scream more, give better interviews, but the basics won't change.

The team will start winning when the kids arrive and Hextall makes a couple deals to improve the veteran depth.
They're not winning with Filppula, Leier, Weise, Weal, Simmonds (ES), MacDonald playing major roles.
They're not winning until young players like Patrick, Sanheim and Konecny take it up another notch.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

The fantasy that if you change coaches this will suddenly become a talented team .

Aside from three or four of our worst posters, no one on here actually is that simpleminded. Your epic diatribes would sound about 10% less ridiculous if you removed your delusion that you are somehow seeing things the rest of the people aren't. I picture you sitting on a throne shaped like a toilet on a platform raised three or four feet above the rest of the room, so that when anyone comes to visit you and bring you edibles, you can look down on them, and you have a tray up there with a laptop and 27 open spreadsheet tabs, so when you post on here you still have the sensation that you are above everyone, insomuch as you have sensations or can feel anything at all.

 

[deadhead]

Everytime this team loses, or struggles, we have pages of "if only we fired Hakstol, the young players would blossom, the team would score, na da na da na da."
Even funnier is the A sucks, B sucks, C sucks, if only we fired Hakstol we could replace them with ??? and we'd start winning.

So yeah, if people would stop saying ridiculous things, like it makes a huge difference if Hagg plays 3 minutes less and Sanheim 3 minutes more a game. Or that force feeding Patrick more minutes when he's skating as bad as Lehtera will change this team's fortunes. It's one thing to want a new coach, it's another to engage in hockey pornographic fantasies.

Minor tweaks are just that, minor. Talent will out.

Changing the coach won't change the half dozen players who need to be upgraded, or accelerate the development of 20 year olds into experienced 23 year old players. Young players get benched around the league, by coaches people would kill to replace Hakstol, so maybe there's something else going on there.

I realize when people get frustrated with the status quo, they grasp at straws, as evident by recent current events.
But straw houses tend to be infested by snakes.

 

[whitstifier]

@heWhoMustNotBeNamed

Leier and Weal have major roles with the Flyers?

Konecny, Sanheim, and Patrick don't get enough icetime or trust from coaching to take the next step.

The "kids" haven't arrived yet? The Flyers already have one of the youngest teams in the league; 2018-2019 roster should be even younger However, Hextall seems prohibitively preoccupied with rushing young players. I wouldn't be surprised if stage 2 of the rebuild involved shipping off prospects and picks en masse for NHL vets.

Aube-Kubel, Lindblom, Martel, Vorobyev, Vecchione, Myers and Morin are all ready for the NHL now. Who will Hex/Haks trust to play significant minutes over the next two seasons? The 2018-2019 Flyers have 11 forwards and 6 defensemen who appear likely to return--Hagg and Leier are RFAs but well-regarded by the organization. A handful of players will get traded. Who do you think will go?

 

[FLYguy3911]

3 minutes a game is 250 minutes at the end of the year. That’s kind of a big deal.

 

[Magua]

It's one thing to want a new coach, it's another to engage in hockey pornographic fantasies

Uhhhh.....isn’t that YOUR thing?

think Strome wants to come to TC as the "water bear" and undress in a locker room of hard bodies that have been working their butts off to get ready to compete and push each other to get better

 

[Striiker]

Don't feel like reading and arguing against idiotic posts full of fabricated excuses today. Someone else can take a shift.

 

[TheKingPin]

It’s a valid concern as far as who would replace Hakstol. Any chance a WJC coach is on deck for an NHL team and could impress enough to at least get a little attention?

Agreed Hextall knew Hakstols system and this was the culture he wanted here. No mistake there. I don’t think Hakstol is so horrible all the time. No pro coach is. His style is appropriate for certain opponents and certain times of the game. He just doesn’t apply it or change it like a real coach would do over a course of a game or season.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Last night proved our sexual hockey fantasies are 100% correct.

 

[deadhead]

@heWhoMustNotBeNamed

Leier and Weal have major roles with the Flyers?

Konecny, Sanheim, and Patrick don't get enough icetime or trust from coaching to take the next step.

The "kids" haven't arrived yet? The Flyers already have one of the youngest teams in the league; 2018-2019 roster should be even younger However, Hextall seems prohibitively preoccupied with rushing young players. I wouldn't be surprised if stage 2 of the rebuild involved shipping off prospects and picks en masse for NHL vets.

Aube-Kubel, Lindblom, Martel, Vorobyev, Vecchione, Myers and Morin are all ready for the NHL now. Who will Hex/Haks trust to play significant minutes over the next two seasons? The 2018-2019 Flyers have 11 forwards and 6 defensemen who appear likely to return--Hagg and Leier are RFAs but well-regarded by the organization. A handful of players will get traded. Who do you think will go?

Has Hextall EVER traded a draft pick or prospect for a "seasoned veteran?"

How do you know those AHL players are ready for the NHL?
We know that Hextall makes frequent trips to Allentown, obviously he's been monitoring these players closely.

MacDonald was sent to the AHL two years ago, Read this year. So Hextall has no problem burying a veteran salary to make room for a kid.
Lehtera is being pushed out.
Weise is on thin ice.
MacDonald is playing this year, bodes nothing for next year.
Leier will face competition from NAK and MV. Weal has no guarantees.
Filppula is a UFA, Manning is a UFA.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Hextall waived MacDonald to make room for Manning. That makes me feel great.

 

[Rebels57]

It’s a valid concern as far as who would replace Hakstol. Any chance a WJC coach is on deck for an NHL team and could impress enough to at least get a little attention?

Agreed Hextall knew Hakstols system and this was the culture he wanted here. No mistake there. I don’t think Hakstol is so horrible all the time. No pro coach is. His style is appropriate for certain opponents and certain times of the game. He just doesn’t apply it or change it like a real coach would do over a course of a game or season.

Yeah..Knoblauch..last year.

 

[NYCFlyer]

It’s a valid concern as far as who would replace Hakstol. Any chance a WJC coach is on deck for an NHL team and could impress enough to at least get a little attention?

Agreed Hextall knew Hakstols system and this was the culture he wanted here. No mistake there. I don’t think Hakstol is so horrible all the time. No pro coach is. His style is appropriate for certain opponents and certain times of the game. He just doesn’t apply it or change it like a real coach would do over a course of a game or season.

I would prefer an established coach. I think he does change things up but I don't see him taking us very far once we are more seasoned. I hope a really top notch coach comes available next year and that Hextall can convince him to come to Philly.

 

[Curufinwe]

Uhhhh.....isn’t that YOUR thing?

The best fantasies are FULL SIZED.

 

[Embiid]

Agreed Hextall knew Hakstols system and this was the culture he wanted here. No mistake there. I don’t think Hakstol is so horrible all the time. No pro coach is. His style is appropriate for certain opponents and certain times of the game. He just doesn’t apply it or change it like a real coach would do over a course of a game or season.

A culture of mediocrity and comatose hockey.....

 

[Striiker]

Culture is the most overused and meaningless word in hockey.

Empty buzzword.

 

[TheKingPin]

How so? Even if it’s broad like winning and losing Browns vs Dallas for example. DET vs edm. Tampa seems to have a nice culture. They will likely have two cups before we have another one. That’s a team in south Florida.

 

[TheKingPin]

I would prefer an established coach. I think he does change things up but I don't see him taking us very far once we are more seasoned. I hope a really top notch coach comes available next year and that Hextall can convince him to come to Philly.

I agree with that, but that’s seems unlikely. This offseason realative to others. With the turnover that could be a possibility of course. I think knob needs at least a few more years in the NHL before head coaching.

 

[deadhead]

How so? Even if it’s broad like winning and losing Browns vs Dallas for example. DET vs edm. Tampa seems to have a nice culture. They will likely have two cups before we have another one. That’s a team in south Florida.

Culture is overrated, and anyway, that's not the Flyers' problem.
Lack of talent, especially depth, is the problem.
And the solution is coming.
It's not Hextall's fault that Holmgren gutted this organization, just look at the six years of drafts before Hextall arrived, and you'll understand why this process is taking so long.

 

[TheKingPin]

Culture is overrated, and anyway, that's not the Flyers' problem.
Lack of talent, especially depth, is the problem.
And the solution is coming.
It's not Hextall's fault that Holmgren gutted this organization, just look at the six years of drafts before Hextall arrived, and you'll understand why this process is taking so long.

Call it culture or whatever you want, but the flyers have several trends that need to be broken. Horrible starts. And relying on comebacks in games as well as the season. I’ll give it to Hak, he tried to buck that by having all the lines set early in the preseason and I seemed to work until the 7 or so games in. The relying on the comebacks and final pushes to the season dates back to Richards. These guys picked up that bad habit.

 

[Striiker]

How so? Even if it’s broad like winning and losing Browns vs Dallas for example. DET vs edm. Tampa seems to have a nice culture. They will likely have two cups before we have another one. That’s a team in south Florida.

I don't see that as culture at all. I see that as incompetence and competence.

For example, people would say the Habs have a "winning culture" because of all their cups... but what's that worth right now? How many years since they've been worth a damn?

 

[flyersfan187]

I wonder if Sutter signs here in the off-season if that would increase our chances of Doughty. I don't see Hak making it to next season with Sutter available, unless he someone manages to make the playoffs and win a series.