What average NHL game has at least two too many men on ice by at least 2 players each time? Canada had 8 players on the ice and was not called. Canada also had 7 players on the ice and was not called. That is not debatable, it happened.
GDT: Feb. 12 • Women's • Group A • Canada vs. United States
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What average NHL game has at least two too many men on ice by at least 2 players each time? Canada had 8 players on the ice and was not called. Canada also had 7 players on the ice and was not called. That is not debatable, it happened.
I said at the time that the whistle went before puck crossed line. To my knowledge, nobody ( Canuck or Yank ) was arguing otherwise. On the same play, ref made two bad calls, which fortuitously served to cancel one another out. So, in the end, a goal which ( in a perfect universe ) ought to have counted... DID!
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Seems to me that for the first time in the history of the world, two wrongs did actually make a right!!! Cripes, if the ref didn't call it a goal, it would have been an even more egregious error since it's obvious to anyone with a set of eyes that it should have counted.
Great comeback by the Canadian girls! U.S. girls have to be wondering if they can actually get it done when it counts.
Great comeback by the Canadian girls! U.S. girls have to be wondering if they can actually get it done when it counts.
This is the most damning evidence that she didn't know what she was doing.
Now eliminate the whistle and that is 100% a good goal the problem is the whistle. Canada should have got the goal and in the end they did but it is whistle and the ineptness of the ref that make it so frustrating.
She obviously didn't see it go into the net. She blew whistle because she lost sight of puck, probably at about the same moment she saw Canadians raise arms in celebration, since some woulda seen puck heading into an open net. Then she sees puck in net, and simply assumed it crossed line before whistle
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I'm convinced that a solid majority of NHL refs know how to count past five.
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You can argue that a whistle shouldn't have been blown at all, that's fine. But it was. Once the official lost sight of the puck and blew the whistle, all before the puck crossed the goal line, you can't call it a goal. Firstly, because that is the opposite of the rule. But furthermore, if you do, you open up a huge can of worms. You are allowing scoring plays to happen after play has stopped. How is that different from a player scoring 1 second after the final horn sounds yet the refs letting it count? Its not.
Look, we've all been there, our NHL team scores a clear goal, but the ref lost sight of it and blew it dead as it was happening. Sure it sucks, but we all accept it because we understand the rule and move on. That's why seeing all these posts with ridiculous theories and guesses to what the ref was thinking and how it legitimizes the goal call because it benefited your country is frustrating and ridiculous.
Not always, but usually when they're alerted to it the first time, they take notice the second time around.
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It's not much of a comeback, in fact it's the smallest comeback possible, but it's still technically a comeback.
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Both are correct.
In this case because of the timing of the whistle, either could have been the ruling by the ref, she either believed the puck covered or lost sight of it. Puck out of sight, as you can see, kills the play regardless of if the puck is still loose. This happens almost every NHL game by the way, so it's a little surprising to see the willful ignorance.
In the end, the ref made the call and clearly declared the play dead before the puck entered the net, then changed her mind when she saw the puck go into the net. That is 100% improper.
And that was the end of the play. It was not in the net when she lost sight of it, so no goal. She got influenced by the players celebrating and seeing the puck end up in the net, which is about the worst thing a ref could do. She has to stand by her call or it's total failure.
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I just saw the "controversial" goal.
I don't view it as controversial at all. The whistle shouldn't have blown in the first place. It would have been more controversial if it wasn't a goal.
Tough game for the Americans, but I have confidence they will get them back when it matters most.
I don't view it as controversial at all. The whistle shouldn't have blown in the first place. It would have been more controversial if it wasn't a goal.
Tough game for the Americans, but I have confidence they will get them back when it matters most.
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P. Kane scored a SLC wining goal, a few years back, which went in the goal and back out again. And he seemed to be the only one on the ice that knew it. Obviously the refs lost sight of the puck, since the play carried on even after the goal, and that's happened tons of times.
This year Detroit scored a GWG after the puck went over the glass and back in off the netting. Clearly refs lost sight of it, temporarily, but play was NOT blown dead. Just because ref temporarily loses sight of puck doesn't automatically mean the play is dead.
The ref today ruled that she did NOT blow play dead until AFTER the puck crossed the line. So in her mind that was a good goal.
She didn't have benefit of video review, since it wasn't reviewable, so by the strict letter of the IIHF Rule Book: IT WAS A GOOD GOAL ENDOFSTOREY !!!
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The game meant nothing. The two teams will meet in the final and the U.S. will have the edge because of it.
I hate to say it but I can't see the U.S. losing twice.
That's what I'm saying the ref was out if position
The whistle should not have been blown period and canada didn't actually even score the damn goal I don't see how people can say we got that call when it was an own goal
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I love how the Americans are complaining about the blown call on the second game, yet conveniently forget the absolute disgrace of the Gold medal game in Salt lake City where the refs attempted to do their upmost to help USA win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkLR5g_-IMI
Be happy this happened in a round robin game, not in the final.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkLR5g_-IMI
Be happy this happened in a round robin game, not in the final.
I missed the 3rd period. I will watch it tonight and I am looking forward to it. It sounds like it was crazy - both in a good and bad way.
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As far as the goal...
Again, it means nothing. In a week, after the GMG, no one will remember it.
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As far as the goal...
Again, it means nothing. In a week, after the GMG, no one will remember it.
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Well it allows Canada to put Wickenheiser and Ward out against the Knight line which is something.
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I don't disagree. The game was fairly meaningless, except as a set up for the next time they play.
It just irks me a bit to see people trying to justify it. It was a bad call. Just because it was a quick whistle doesn't change that. Play is dead the instant the whistle blows. Quick whistles happen all the time, and you see them in every game. It's a bit more unusual to see a goal called good when the whistle blows before it crosses the line. The referee needs to make decisions based on what they actually see, not in response to the players. I think that call tainted a good game.
At any rate, if the US wants the gold, they'll shake it off and move on. I'm confident they will. On to the next game(for both teams).
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I'm pretty sure a game that was over a decade ago has little relevance today.
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