Expansion Draft Thread II

[Curufinwe]

Are you kidding? That's what you point to? Really substantiated your claim... so it your your stance that players can simply point to an injury they played on to not be bought out? worked well for Jared cowen.

The spirit of the unwritten rule is that you cannot buy out a player whose injury could prevent him from finding NHL work - That obvioulsy is not the case for Bieksa

Or Despres.

 

[mouser]

Could we please not duplicate the Anaheim thread in here. There's a whole huge ongoing thread in the trade forum if you want to participate.

 

[nbducksfan19]

And I'm the condescending one...

Never said I wasn't condescending. I just pointed out that you were condescending and ignorant on the subject matter.

 

[tomd]

If reports are correct that's likely just protection trades. Supposedly McPhee is handling the "auction" phase of unprotected players today.

wouldn't it be great if he gave an auction and nobody came? Honestly, for the most part the guys available have flaws...too expensive, too old, just not very good, etc. I can see selective demand for certain players but bidding wars? Not so much.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Could we please not duplicate the Anaheim thread in here. There's a whole huge ongoing thread in the trade forum if you want to participate.

fair enough.

 

[RandV]

Or you know, actual reasons if you could comprehend them. I do think Anaheim (like most teams) will lose something of value - but if you think it will be something like Manson or Theodore and two 1sts, you have clearly don't have a clue.

IMO Vegas was smart. They could have played hard ball, but what would have happened is what many expected to happen. Before the expansion there would be a ton of horse trading - say the ducks trade Sami to a team with a weak D and protection space for a 2nd round pick. That is not ideal for the ducks, and not ideal for vegas as they get nothing of value for that. Instead, Vegas can be flexible and not force teams to horse trade prior to the ED, while collecting a smaller bit of value just for showing up.

Yeah this is how I'm calling it. I think we didn't see barely any trades because Vegas undercut the market and was very reasonable on 'protection' trades. This way may hurt them in the quality of players they can select, but with the trade off of building up a huge draft haul for them.

 

[mouser]

wouldn't it be great if he gave an auction and nobody came? Honestly, for the most part the guys available have flaws...too expensive, too old, just not very good, etc. I can see selective demand for certain players but bidding wars? Not so much.

Dunno, I thought the Vegas auction thread I started has been enlightening.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2358619

Obvious a lot of the players being bid on are going to end up being protected due to a deal with Vegas. But there are still quite a lot of "lesser" players with bids of 2nd round+ values. Many of the bids have been kinda light on exemption free players/prospects that Vegas may seek out in the real auction.

 

[Sojourn]

Yeah this is how I'm calling it. I think we didn't see barely any trades because Vegas undercut the market and was very reasonable on 'protection' trades. This way may hurt them in the quality of players they can select, but with the trade off of building up a huge draft haul for them.

I think that's the best approach for Vegas. They will build a better team in the long-term with picks and prospects, and playing the long game, than (I think) they would just grabbing current NHL depth players. There is some pretty decent talent available, but just not enough. Build from the prospect pool out.

Edit: I see you added that. I know some people think McPhee would be stupid to pass up some players, but I think he's taking the smarter approach. He needs young talent. Players who could be gone in a few years aren't going to help much.

 

[tomd]

Dunno, I thought the Vegas auction thread I started has been enlightening.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2358619

Obvious a lot of the players being bid on are going to end up being protected due to a deal with Vegas. But there are still quite a lot of "lesser" players with bids of 2nd round+ values. Many of the bids have been kinda light on exemption free players/prospects that Vegas may seek out in the real auction.

Yeah, only so many players can be flipped for draft picks or prospects who are years away. Ultimately, LV has to field a team and stock a minor league team as well. They'll need to find 40-50 guys to get under contract by September.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Yeah this is how I'm calling it. I think we didn't see barely any trades because Vegas undercut the market and was very reasonable on 'protection' trades. This way may hurt them in the quality of players they can select, but with the trade off of building up a huge draft haul for them.

completely agreed.

 

[nbducksfan19]

I think that's the best approach for Vegas. They will build a better team in the long-term with picks and prospects, and playing the long game, than (I think) they would just grabbing current NHL depth players. There is some pretty decent talent available, but just not enough. Build from the prospect pool out.

Edit: I see you added that. I know some people think McPhee would be stupid to pass up some players, but I think he's taking the smarter approach. He needs young talent. Players who could be gone in a few years aren't going to help much.

Right, and most of the people saying that Mchphee is an idiot for not taking the better players, doesn't realize that those players would likely never be made available to him if they played hard ball.

 

[Crede777]

I think that's the best approach for Vegas. They will build a better team in the long-term with picks and prospects, and playing the long game, than (I think) they would just grabbing current NHL depth players. There is some pretty decent talent available, but just not enough. Build from the prospect pool out.

Edit: I see you added that. I know some people think McPhee would be stupid to pass up some players, but I think he's taking the smarter approach. He needs young talent. Players who could be gone in a few years aren't going to help much.

My only hesitation is that they're building up in (presumably) the 2017 draft. With 5 first round picks, I'd anticipate that ~2 of them would become solid NHL'ers.

 

[jcbeze]

My only hesitation is that they're building up in (presumably) the 2017 draft. With 5 first round picks, I'd anticipate that ~2 of them would become solid NHL'ers.

they won't all be for 2017 draft

 

[scrappylilnobody]

So what time do we have to wait to for the team to be announced? 10am? Noon? Or sometime during the NHL awards?

 

[s7ark]

Could we please not duplicate the Anaheim thread in here. There's a whole huge ongoing thread in the trade forum if you want to participate.

Sorry about contributing to that. It's a moot argument anyways, we'll see what happens tomorrow.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

So what time do we have to wait to for the team to be announced? 10am? Noon? Or sometime during the NHL awards?

Knowing a Bettman run NHL, they'll make us sit through the entire NHL awards ceremony and run the Vegas selections during the credits.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

So McPhee has confirmed he's made 6 deals. Who are the likely candidates? Ducks, Isles, Columbus, Minny are probables, Florida? Who else? Apologies if this has been asked already.

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

So what time do we have to wait to for the team to be announced? 10am? Noon? Or sometime during the NHL awards?

They're announcing them pick by pick from the bottom of the standings up (Colorado to Washington) throughout the awards show.

Desperate play to get people to actually watch the show

 

[Spectra]

So McPhee has confirmed he's made 6 deals. Who are the likely candidates? Ducks, Isles, Columbus, Minny are probables, Florida? Who else? Apologies if this has been asked already.

Hawks.

 

[FadeToBlack]

They're announcing them pick by pick from the bottom of the standings up (Colorado to Washington) throughout the awards show.

Desperate play to get people to actually watch the show

Lol what? I thought that was a joke by another poster.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

So McPhee has confirmed he's made 6 deals. Who are the likely candidates? Ducks, Isles, Columbus, Minny are probables, Florida? Who else? Apologies if this has been asked already.

According to speculation by Bob McKenzie, the six teams are Anaheim, NY Islanders, Columbus, Chicago, Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh.

At least, for the 'protection' portion of this process.

Perhaps tomorrow we will hear about more deals for the 'auction' portion of this process.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Does anyone know when the trades will be announced with Vegas? is it at 10 am tomorrow?

 

[GoldiFox]

Does anyone know when the trades will be announced with Vegas? is it at 10 am tomorrow?

Read the thread. Selections and trades are announced throughout the award show tomorrow night. The NHL isn't going to spill the beans when they have an opportunity to increase viewership for their boring awards show.

 

[wingsfan17]

Any new on the Nashville/James Neal situation? I'd assume they try and do a trade around Craig Smith+ if possible.

You'd have to think the price would be high, higher than Nashville would want to pay. If Nashville really wanted to keep both Jarnkrok and Neal they messed up by not selecting the one with more value/demand around the league, because McPhee is just going to say "you have to give me more than I could get in a trade". Neal is easily a 1st, Jarnkrok? Maybe a 1st, more likely like a 2nd and 3rd.

To Vegas the value would be:
1. Likely bottom 10 1st round pick at the deadline for Neal.
2. Value of having a quality player before the deadline so at least you can put a decent product on the ice.
3. Having to take Smith's bad contract

That probably puts you in pick 10-15 territory, I'm guessing the asking price for McPhee would be 31 this year and 1st next year, that's probably similar value. I can't see Nashville paying that unless Neal re-signs at a decent rate, which he probably won't unless Nashville acquires a center for Neal, which will cost you another 1st probably. Doubtful poille wants to pay that.

 

[mouser]

Does anyone know when the trades will be announced with Vegas? is it at 10 am tomorrow?

I think it's safe to predict none of them will be announced until the awards show.