Player Discussion: Dylan DeMelo

[Duke749]

This is good value but ultimately I'm still not a fan of moving any draft picks for rentals when our team is as bad as it is. Maybe we get lucky and he re-signs but hard to count on that.

It’s a pick that likely never makes an impact.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Seems like a good move.

 

[DannyGallivan]

He automatically becomes our third best defenseman. A plus 3 on Ottawa isn't bad (then again, Ron Hainsey is a plus 5). I'm okay with this. Ottawa fans seemed perturbed, so it must be good for us, right?

 

[Channelcat]

Chevy being Chevy! Nice. Just hope they don't give up any more picks.

 

[DJB]

@DJB Maybe you can give us some info on him? I know I don't know much.

Done!

 

[Beville]

Definitely robbed us with this; he was part of the Karlsson package.

Not sure why we’ve got rid to be honest.

 

[Ducky10]

Good move right now and a great move if he resigns.

 

[Bob E]

Like the move.

I’m thinking Chevy might not be done either.

Maybe he moves Kulikov for a 2nd or 3rd, too? As a pending UFA.

 

[CorgisPer60]

As a fellow bargain hunter, I appreciate the shrewdness of the deal. A 3rd round pick for a top-4 defenseman is great value. Certainly better than the prices that we've seen. It can be further ameliorated by trading back in the draft - say - moving down in the 2nd round to pick up a spare 3rd. If this is the _only_ move the Jets make, I'll consider it a win. Now to get him sold on the market and re-signed.

This is good value but ultimately I'm still not a fan of moving any draft picks for rentals when our team is as bad as it is. Maybe we get lucky and he re-signs but hard to count on that.

Why is the team bad?

"Lack of good, quality NHL D."

What did we pick up?

"A good, quality NHL D."

What did we pay?

"A lottery draw based on projected outcomes of less than 30% certainty."

I fail to see the problem here.

 

[Buffdog]

Seems like an underpayment for a solid RHD. Maybe Dorian felt guilty for taking advantage of chevys hospitality last trade deadline and then turning around and dealing stone to vegas

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

It’s a pick that likely never makes an impact.

Maybe, but we've drafted a few good players with 3rd round picks and later (Copp, Helle, Lowry, Niku, Appleton). It doesn't happen consistently but throwing them away is still not a smart thing to do

 

[Duke749]

Maybe, but we've drafted a few good players with 3rd round picks and later (Copp, Helle, Lowry, Niku, Appleton). It doesn't happen consistently but throwing them away is still not a smart thing to do

How are we throwing it away?

 

[TheJadePipe]

Maybe, but we've drafted a few good players with 3rd round picks and later (Copp, Helle, Lowry, Niku, Appleton). It doesn't happen consistently but throwing them away is still not a smart thing to do

But with a 3rd rounder you hope to get a Demelo kind of player.... this trade makes it a for sure not a hope! I like it

 

[Weezeric]

I wonder if they play Demelo with Morrisey as a shutdown pair? Kulikov with Pionk and Beaulieu with Niku?

 

[Daximus]

He's a definite upgrade on Poolman as far as defence goes. Seems to make all the offensive Dmen he plays with better. Poolman provides more offence but he can do so from the 3rd pairing now. Maybe we put Bealieau next to Pionk now.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

As a fellow bargain hunter, I appreciate the shrewdness of the deal. A 3rd round pick for a top-4 defenseman is great value. Certainly better than the prices that we've seen. It can be further ameliorated by trading back in the draft - say - moving down in the 2nd round to pick up a spare 3rd. If this is the _only_ move the Jets make, I'll consider it a win. Now to get him sold on the market and re-signed.



Why is the team bad?

"Lack of good, quality NHL D."

What did we pick up?

"A good, quality NHL D."

What did we pay?

"A lottery draw based on projected outcomes of less than 30% certainty."

I fail to see the problem here.

The problem here is the team is bad not because we are missing one defensemen. We are one of, if not the worst analytical team in the league. Demelo is a nice complimentary top 4 guy (if we're being generous because he has never done it before this season), but he is not the saviour of our team. We're giving away a 3rd round pick and the best possible return is we sneak into the playoffs and get slaughtered.

Giving away assets for anything that was a rental was never going to be a good idea in my books.

 

[voyageur]

I am happy with this deal. I mean I think De Melo's stats have been carried a bit by how good Chabot is, but we don't have a legitimate top 4 option. To get one for a 3rd rd pick suits me. Bargain shopping is what Winnipeg is all about. Obviously should start with Morrissey. But the reverberation is Poolman likely drops down to the bottom pairing, with Sbisa out. When Sbisa comes back, does Niku stay up? I'd be surprised given how bad he was picked apart on the road. After tonight 13 of 21 left are on the road. Good time to stabilize the defense.

At least we know that Chevy is trying to push this team into the playoffs. Hopefully no more trades involving picks though.

 

[MardyBum]

It’s a pick that likely never makes an impact.

We have 6 players third round or later on our team currently that we've drafted, out of 31 3rd or later picks from 2011-2016. Can add 6 more for 6 out of 37 if you want to include 2017 though they're still fairly young.

For how bad we play 5v5 this seems like a meh move unless we can re-sign him. He's a good player and is solid defensively but how much impact can he make? I'd rather a small chance at an NHLer tbh.

Maybe he'll rub off on the rest of the guys and help them figure out how to play defense.

 

[surixon]

I wonder if they play Demelo with Morrisey as a shutdown pair? Kulikov with Pionk and Beaulieu with Niku?

My guess is that is indeed what they are planning on doing. Although they may elect Poolman over Niku.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

How are we throwing it away?

We're throwing it away if Demelo isn't here for more than one season. This season is a write off with an outside chance at getting destroyed in the first round of the playoffs.

But with a 3rd rounder you hope to get a Demelo kind of player.... this trade makes it a for sure not a hope! I like it

If Demelo had term he would be worth a lot more than a 3rd rounder for sure.

 

[CorgisPer60]

He's a definite upgrade on Poolman as far as defence goes. Seems to make all the offensive Dmen he plays with better. Poolman provides more offence but he can do so from the 3rd pairing now. Maybe we put Bealieau next to Pionk now.

Oh yeah. Play him with Morrissey and move Poolman down the line up. I don't think they'll start there, though.

Morrissey - Poolman
Kulikov - DeMelo
Beaulieu - Niku

I like the look of that in theory. Then Sbisa comes back and the bottom pair resumes getting caved again.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Weezeric]

My guess is that is indeed what they are planning on doing. Although they may elect Poolman over Niku.

ya, I forgot about poolman. I wouldn’t mind a Niku-Poolman bottom pair but I doubt they go there.

 

[Duke749]

The problem here is the team is bad not because we are missing one defensemen. We are one of, if not the worst analytical team in the league. Demelo is a nice complimentary top 4 guy (if we're being generous because he has never done it before this season), but he is not the saviour of our team. We're giving away a 3rd round pick and the best possible return is we sneak into the playoffs and get slaughtered.

Giving away assets for anything that was a rental was never going to be a good idea in my books.

So no matter what happens, someone added without term regardless of who or at what price, it’s always a bad idea? Ok then...

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

So no matter what happens, someone added without term regardless of who or at what price, it’s always a bad idea? Ok then...

When your team isn't good and doesn't have a shot at winning the Stanley Cup? 100% yes.

(with the obvious exception of like Sidney Crosby for a 2030 7th round pick).

 

[Rheged]

Lack of RHD in the system plus the fact that DeMelo isn't a big scorer makes feel like there's a pretty good chance of retaining him. Would probably end up being less than we're paying Kulikov this year.