Speculation: Dreger: Devils/Flames had a tentative deal in place for Markstrom, Flames ownership said no

thaman8765678

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If Mercer is now on the table, see if Conroy gets management approval.

Be hilarious if we turn that down.
 

Ted Hoffman

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That would be the St. Louis Blues in the 2002-2005 part of the Bill Laurie Rain of Terror, when his right-hand man dictated to the GM what the Blues would and wouldn't do.
 
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Yeah man, I'm sure the guy that's had a garbage season would be traded for a 34 Y/O Markstrom. Trading Mercer at his lowest would be the dumbest thing NJ could do
 

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The Flames lost their two best defensive Dmen and their #1 Centre, but they’re somehow going to possibly go on a playoff run this year lol.

The odds of that happening are like 0.0000001%.
 
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Lunatik

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I'm with ownership on this.

If you deal Markstrom right now, you might as well put a giant neon sign in the dressing room that says "you suck, you can't win"

While you already know it, and they know it too, it's not something to put out there or you lose every player on that room.

It's like dating a big girl, she knows she's overweight, you know she's overweight, but you don't f***ing tell her she's fat.

The only was he moves in-season is if it's an offer you can't refuse. Something the players look at and are like "sucks, but I get it"
 
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I'm with ownership on this.

If you deal Markstrom right now, you might as well put a giant neon sign in the dressing room that says "you suck, you can't win"

While you already know it, and they know it too, it's not something to put out there or you lose every player on that room.

It's like dating a big girl, she knows she's overweight, you know she's overweight, but you don't f***ing tell her she's fat.

The only was he moves in-season is if it's an offer you can't refuse. Something the players look at and are like "sucks, but I get it"
After being sellers they have already put up that giant neon sign. That's why keeping Markstrom makes 0 sense. They already lost the room & have for years. It started with Gaudreau, then Tkachuk. Now look at what they sold this year. At this point they would be wise to just go close up shop.
 

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I'm with ownership on this.

If you deal Markstrom right now, you might as well put a giant neon sign in the dressing room that says "you suck, you can't win"

While you already know it, and they know it too, it's not something to put out there or you lose every player on that room.

It's like dating a big girl, she knows she's overweight, you know she's overweight, but you don't f***ing tell her she's fat.

The only was he moves in-season is if it's an offer you can't refuse. Something the players look at and are like "sucks, but I get it"
And all the other players Calgary traded didn't tell the flames "you fat"?
 

Lunatik

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After being sellers they have already put up that giant neon sign. That's why keeping Markstrom makes 0 sense. They already lost the room & have for years. It started with Gaudreau, then Tkachuk. Now look at what they sold this year. At this point they would be wise to just go close up shop.
There is a big difference between moving pending UFAs and moving someone with term.

And all the other players Calgary traded didn't tell the flames "you fat"?
Not when they're pending UFAs.
 

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There is a big difference between moving pending UFAs and moving someone with term.


Not when they're pending UFAs.
The fact Markstrom got so pissed off to the point he's talking bad about your management to the media. It's safe to say the room is lost. Do you not think him & the boys are all talking crap behind the scenes on how terrible things are? Your management dropped the ball big time. Rule #1 is never piss off a player because it will spread like wildfire in that locker room. Whatever he says to the media is very tame compared to what's being said behind closed doors.
 

Lunatik

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The fact Markstrom got so pissed off to the point he's talking bad about your management to the media. It's safe to say the room is lost. Do you not think him & the boys are all talking crap behind the scenes on how terrible things are? Your management dropped the ball big time. Rule #1 is never piss off a player because it will spread like wildfire in that locker room. Whatever he says to the media is very tame compared to what's being said behind closed doors.
"Got so pissed"? All he f***ing said was they could've done it differently. Stop blowing things out of proportion. This kind of overreaction are why players give boring, stock responses.
 
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The fact Markstrom got so pissed off to the point he's talking bad about your management to the media. It's safe to say the room is lost. Do you not think him & the boys are all talking crap behind the scenes on how terrible things are? Your management dropped the ball big time. Rule #1 is never piss off a player because it will spread like wildfire in that locker room. Whatever he says to the media is very tame compared to what's being said behind closed doors.
You are wildly overexaggerating his one comment to the media
 

Lunatik

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Calgary ownership is somehow worse than Katz
Might want to take a closer look at Katz... Offering to get a Brazilian actress a role in a movie if she has sex with him... And let's not forget him allegedly offering millions to an underage ballerina for sex.

Our owner might be a cheap asshole, but Katz is a vile piece of human shit that should be in prison.
 

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Might want to take a closer look at Katz... Offering to get a Brazilian actress a role in a movie if she has sex with him... And let's not forget him allegedly offering millions to an underage ballerina for sex.

Our owner might be a cheap asshole, but Katz is a vile piece of human shit that should be in prison.
Ah such an innocent soul. Katz got caught being a pervert and I despise him, but to think most billionaires don’t do that stuff is naive
 

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The fact Markstrom got so pissed off to the point he's talking bad about your management to the media. It's safe to say the room is lost. Do you not think him & the boys are all talking crap behind the scenes on how terrible things are? Your management dropped the ball big time. Rule #1 is never piss off a player because it will spread like wildfire in that locker room. Whatever he says to the media is very tame compared to what's being said behind closed doors.

Jack Hughes made some comments on the the Devils goaltending last week. Clearly he wants out and is counting down the days until traded. Probably taking half the room with him.
 

Lunatik

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Ah such an innocent soul. Katz got caught being a pervert and I despise him, but to think most billionaires don’t do that stuff is naive
Not innocent nor naive.

Is it possible Edwards is that big of a piece of shit too? Yes.
Is there any actual indication of this being true? No there isn't.

I'm not just going to assume things about people because they have a large bank account.
 

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Might want to take a closer look at Katz... Offering to get a Brazilian actress a role in a movie if she has sex with him... And let's not forget him allegedly offering millions to an underage ballerina for sex.

Our owner might be a cheap asshole, but Katz is a vile piece of human shit that should be in prison.
You do realize those were completely unfounded allegations by defendants in a sexual abuse case right?
 

thaman8765678

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Got reports that Murray Edwards was watching 2004 Flames playoff run highlights all night, after beating Tampa last night.

He's contacted Conroy this morning and strictly forbid selling any more assets.
 
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BLNY

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When the owners start micromanaging, it's time to quietly start looking for other opportunities. It's such a toxic work trait.
 

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After being sellers they have already put up that giant neon sign. That's why keeping Markstrom makes 0 sense. They already lost the room & have for years. It started with Gaudreau, then Tkachuk. Now look at what they sold this year. At this point they would be wise to just go close up shop.
It's more complicated than that. They only sold off the expiring vet contracts. With those guys you have 3 choices: let them walk for nothing, give into their contract demands, or trade them.

It made sense to trade them. The flames also took back roster players.

The plan isn't a full rebuild, it's a retool. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames sign a dman in the off season. It seems insane, but with all the guys like Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, etc ready to step up, they may come out with a better team plus all the picks.

A lot of what happens will depend on markstrom in the off season. He seems to like the playing in Calgary though.
 
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thaman8765678

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It's more complicated than that. They only sold off the expiring vet contracts. With those guys you have 3 choices: let them walk for nothing, give into their contract demands, or trade them.

It made sense to trade them. The flames also took back roster players.

The plan isn't a full rebuild, it's a retool. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames sign a dman in the off season. It seems insane, but with all the guys like Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, etc ready to step up, they may come out with a better team plus all the picks.

A lot of what happens will depend on markstrom in the off season. He seems to like the playing in Calgary though.
I always pictured a retool being used for teams with elite players already there. Who you just need to change a few parts around them.

For example the Bruins have changed a bunch of players, but they have had their core players for years.

The Flames are in need of a full rebuild. But ownership will not allow it.
 

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