Looks like they're being run by a private equity company to me.Yup. Careful what you wish for.
Still, there is a middle ground. But you're not getting that middle ground from the subprime auto guy, looks like
Looks like they're being run by a private equity company to me.Yup. Careful what you wish for.
Still, there is a middle ground. But you're not getting that middle ground from the subprime auto guy, looks like
They might …. If Cole was still affiliated with the Canes.Gold saying TDA is like Hamilton on the ice. Cole chuckles and says I hope not. Does the organization just push Cole to do an interview with A Gold when a big name is moved / let go to help justify it?
They might …. If Cole was still affiliated with the Canes.
But he isn’t.
Hamilton is a good player, but a team paying him 9 million a year is not a cup winner
At one point, yes. I’m fairly certain that is not the case now.Team ambassador Erik Cole
Whether or not he is an official ambassador, he is an ambassador, and talking shit about a guy who was a good teammate and a Norris candidate is a bad look.At one point, yes. I’m fairly certain that is not the case now.
I could be wrong.
I think I actually AM wrong about the affiliation … I was misinformed.Whether or not he is an official ambassador, he is an ambassador, and talking shit about a guy who was a good teammate and a Norris candidate is a bad look.
I think I actually AM wrong about the affiliation … I was misinformed.
However, I still don’t think it’s a big deal. We all want honest assessments from athletes, and we got one. I don’t think Cole is “taking orders” from anyone, that was about as honest as it gets. A snort and a chuckle.
Now it could a be a wrong assessment…but it’s still an honest opinion.
But even then, when it was over Skinner, at least there were some strong whispers that things were off behind the scenes and that there wasn't a good fit. With this one about Dougie, it kind of came out of nowhere.If it were a one-off I’d agree. But this has become a conspicuous thing where Erik Cole kneecaps reputations of former players. He doesn’t have anything meaningful to say for years, then five minutes after a guy stops being Canes property over a money decision he’s on the next radio show with hot takes about the guy’s character?
That looks a lot less like an “honest assessment” than the organization doing a really trashy thing to control a media narrative. And it has an extremely strong smack of the Karmanos/Rutherford culture wherein Erik Cole learned exactly how to get high-level shitty over contracts.
But even then, when it was over Skinner, at least there were some strong whispers that things were off behind the scenes and that there wasn't a good fit. With this one about Dougie, it kind of came out of nowhere.
Oh agreed. All I'm saying is that at least with Skinner we already had an idea that something like this was going on, so to hear it verified publicly was at least somewhat easy to stomach. This time, it just isn't landing the same way, and almost feels like contrived bullshit.Sure, but there’s a difference between random people gossiping about a bad fit, and Erik Cole showing up at the draft party and choke-slamming Skinner’s reputation as an official ambassador of the organization.
For as much as some think this is a habit from Cole, looking at the other side of things, this is also becoming a habit with Hamilton. Fan bases (and teams) haven't been very complimentary of Dougie upon his departure for a variety of reasons. Justifiable reasons? I can't say, but if anything, the team and fans in Carolina have been a heck of a lot more complimentary of Dougie (or at least less derogatory) upon his departure than the prior two teams.
Some people are never going to like a player like Dougie, no matter what. For example:
- Doesn't come across as taking things too seriously, which can rub some people the wrong way.
- Is a big guy that doesn't use his size, and at times avoids contact.
- is more prone to defensive gaffs
I like Dougie and had hoped we could keep him as he brings way more positives than negatives. Even before his departure, there were some that didn't care for him though and some are now more vocal now that he's gone.
re: Finlandia's post above, to me it's #1 - the Canes didn't really want him with their offer.
Was this always the plan? To trade two good pieces for him and then let him walk? Were they hoping for what didn't happen with Ferland would happen with Hamilton?
But bah gaad his music was playin'!Sure, but there’s a difference between random people gossiping about a bad fit, and Erik Cole showing up at the draft party and choke-slamming Skinner’s reputation as an official ambassador of the organization.
So what you're saying is in fact...I don't think they were expecting him to be in Norris contention. That put him in a conversation with guys like Carlson ($8M two years ago) and Josi (starting $9M) rather than guys like Faulk and Krug (both $6.5M) which is about where he had been up until he came to Carolina.
I think the plan was for him to be a $6.5M type of player and maybe have to stretch up uncomfortably to $7M after a hard negotiation, not for him to be an $8M type of player and be faced with a $9M stretch. It's basically the exact same thing that happened with Ned, where a trophy-worthy season added a million or two to his market value. That wasn't part of the plan.
The Canes *were* offering a fair offer with term. But "fair" in this case incorporates the bad as well as the good. Dougie is a player that contributes a lot, but also has major flaws that aren't just figments of imagination. There are a lot of warts to his game. New Jersey signed him to a contract that flat out ignored all the warts in his game.
I'm as close to a hard Dougie critic as you'll actually find around here, and I still wanted to keep him- but at a value close to what the Canes ultimately were offering. I think he's a good and useful player. But I'm not paying him 9 f***ing million dollars a year. That is utterly insane and we were right not to even try to come close to it.
I think the plan was for him to be a $6.5M type of player and maybe have to stretch up uncomfortably to $7M after a hard negotiation, not for him to be an $8M type of player and be faced with a $9M stretch. It's basically the exact same thing that happened with Ned, where a trophy-worthy season added a million or two to his market value. That wasn't part of the plan.
So what you're saying is in fact...
We're still lowballers and cheap.
Girl we been known.