Speculation: Dougie Hamilton Negotiations (Pt. 2)

[Navin R Slavin]

He may not be a "franchise guy" but I don't see us being able to replace what he brings anytime soon.

We'd replace him by committee.

 

[mikeyfan]

The question Dougie needs to ask himself, IMO, is can he handle the Press pressure he will be getting is such a larger market?

Boston was a bust,
Calgary better but didn't associate with teammates supposedly
Carolina relaxed and prospered teammates liked him.

I understand he is older and more mature but the question still remains will he be as successful if he moves to a market where he is going to be hounded day in and day out by the Press.

To me if not Carolina, Dougie would be better off going someplace like Nashville, Dallas, maybe Colorado or Seattle, where he won't constantly be hounded by the Press, just my opinion.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The question Dougie needs to ask himself, IMO, is can he handle the Press pressure he will be getting is such a larger market?

Boston was a bust,
Calgary better but didn't associate with teammates supposedly
Carolina relaxed and prospered teammates liked him.

I understand he is older and more mature but the question still remains will he be as successful if he moves to a market where he is going to be hounded day in and day out by the Press.

To me if not Carolina, Dougie would be better off going someplace like Nashville, Dallas, maybe Colorado or Seattle, where he won't constantly be hounded by the Press, just my opinion.

I think all this is probably bunk, tbh.

If he stays, it's probably because he wants to stay, and the offer satisfies his ego.

If he leaves, it's probably because he believes he's worth more and wants to feel valued, which also satisfies his ego.

Either way, the money will be astronomical. Some folks keep score with money, and if he is one of those people, the highest score will be somewhere else.

 

[mikeyfan]

I think all this is probably bunk, tbh.

If he stays, it's probably because he wants to stay, and the offer satisfies his ego.

If he leaves, it's probably because he believes he's worth more and wants to feel valued, which also satisfies his ego.

Either way, the money will be astronomical. Some folks keep score with money, and if he is one of those people, the highest score will be somewhere else.

I agree it will probably be about the money, That is why I stated in my opinion I think he should consider.

However, I believe that in a lot of athletes going for Free Agency and they take the money, Some succeed and some fail after they land that big contract. I see Dougie as having a potential of being on the failing end if he goes someplace where he will be constantly under the presses eyes.

I for one hope he stays, and if he goes I wish him luck, but if he goes to NJ, or another high profile team where the Press will constantly be on him, it will not surprise me to see him traded in 3 to 5 years with his team eating a big portion of the contract.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I agree it will probably be about the money, That is why I stated in my opinion I think he should consider.

However, I believe that in a lot of athletes going for Free Agency and they take the money, Some succeed and some fail after they land that big contract. I see Dougie as having a potential of being on the failing end if he goes someplace where he will be constantly under the presses eyes.

I for one hope he stays, and if he goes I wish him luck, but if he goes to NJ, or another high profile team where the Press will constantly be on him, it will not surprise me to see him traded in 5 to 5 years with his team eating a big portion of the contract.

Any contract will give him legacy money.

He needs to decide what value money is in relation to who he will work with, the community he will live in and the team/franchise he will join

Plenty of folks (particularly short work lived athletes) have taken the extra money only to regret where they ended up.

 

[hblueridgegal]

So would Dougie be considered "the big splash" at the price points discussed above?

 

[DougieSmash]

I hope it's true... But I don't believe.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So would Dougie be considered "the big splash" at the price points discussed above?

I have a feeling this might be the setup for;

“we like Dougie and gave him a fair offer, but we needed an answer now so we could plan for free agency. Ultimately, he wants more than we are offering so we have to move on.

 

[DougieSmash]

I have a feeling this might be the setup for;

“we like Dougie and gave him a fair offer, but we needed an answer now so we could plan for free agency. Ultimately, he wants more than we are offering so we have to move on.

The problem is that Donnie says pretty much the same about Fox. "Yeah, I feel good about this, everything would be fine".

Honestly I'm not sure it's good strategy to pay that much for Dougie. But Tampa pay a lot and find a way to keep the things balanced, so... I prefer to keep the core, to keep the really good players. Hamilton is good player, really great fit. If Dundon wants to pay, he will.

 

[mikeyfan]

I think the Canes are looking at if Dougie Signs they Buyout Gardiner, If Dougie Doesn't sign they keep Gardiner on the roster, hoping he can play and be the point man on the PP. That is why they need Dougie to give them an answer within the next 48 hours.

 

[GoldiFox]

To me it seems like Rod pretty strongly hates Gardiner's game to the point of playing Maxime Lajoie over him in the Playoffs and I'd be really surprised if Jake had a role moving forward outside of being bought out, traded with assets, or as a #7 for the next 2 years.

 

[Borsig]

Stupid question - if you buy him out, why not just bury him? Whats the diff? If you can't get anything for the asset, can you just waive him and see if someone takes that horrid contract? If not you use the 22m expansion fees to pay his stupid salary.

I'd MUCH rather have Deangelo than Gardiner. Dougie to gards is a massive slap in the face.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Stupid question - if you buy him out, why not just bury him? Whats the diff? If you can't get anything for the asset, can you just waive him and see if someone takes that horrid contract? If not you use the 22m expansion fees to pay his stupid salary.

I'd MUCH rather have Deangelo than Gardiner. Dougie to gards is a massive slap in the face.

I guess it depends on how much cap space they need this season. They free up more by buying him out than burying him.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Stupid question - if you buy him out, why not just bury him? Whats the diff? If you can't get anything for the asset, can you just waive him and see if someone takes that horrid contract? If not you use the 22m expansion fees to pay his stupid salary.

I'd MUCH rather have Deangelo than Gardiner. Dougie to gards is a massive slap in the face.

You save 2.8 million in space with a buyout only 1.125 with a bury in the minors.

 

[HellOnIce]

I agree it will probably be about the money, That is why I stated in my opinion I think he should consider.

However, I believe that in a lot of athletes going for Free Agency and they take the money, Some succeed and some fail after they land that big contract. I see Dougie as having a potential of being on the failing end if he goes someplace where he will be constantly under the presses eyes.

I for one hope he stays, and if he goes I wish him luck, but if he goes to NJ, or another high profile team where the Press will constantly be on him, it will not surprise me to see him traded in 3 to 5 years with his team eating a big portion of the contract.

NJD fan here....the Devils are not a high profile team. We have a couple of beat writers, that's about it. The media market barely knows we exist. It's perfect for a guy like him if he wants low key.

 

[mikeyfan]

Stupid question - if you buy him out, why not just bury him? Whats the diff? If you can't get anything for the asset, can you just waive him and see if someone takes that horrid contract? If not you use the 22m expansion fees to pay his stupid salary.

I'd MUCH rather have Deangelo than Gardiner. Dougie to gards is a massive slap in the face.

Cap hit on buried $2,975,000 X 2 years = 5,950,000
Cap hit on buyout: $1,441,667 X 4 years = 5,766,668
Savings all around for the Buyout.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I have a feeling this might be the setup for;

“we like Dougie and gave him a fair offer, but we needed an answer now so we could plan for free agency. Ultimately, he wants more than we are offering so we have to move on.

I agree. Also, think it's a big mistake to overpromise and put hope out there so soon after after the Ned situation if he knows a deal isn't getting done. A more measured and restrained approach might have been the way to go given the state of the fanbase right now.

It almost feels like the FO is overreacting to the playoff performance as much as fans sometimes do. Negating how a tough learning experience, along with an added year of maturity, could serve as a performance motivator with someone like Ned, for example.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Don't think it he came out and said we have no f***ing chance to sign him anyone would actually feel any better.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Oh please, he could have mentioned the negotiation deadline and level set..a little transparency can go a long way. Particularly, when he's already built up expectations on the Ned replacement front.

 

[Identity404]

If Dougie Doesn't sign they keep Gardiner on the roster, hoping he can play and be the point man on the PP. That is why they need Dougie to give them an answer within the next 48 hours.

 

[Identity404]

Seems like a thinly veiled attempt to squeeze a 4th/5th round pick from the devil's to me.

I hope I eat crow... because I really want Dougie back, but I'm getting sick of the BS Don and the FO feeds the media.

All of this hardball negotiation is going to backfire really quickly.

 

[GoldiFox]

Seems like a thinly veiled attempt to squeeze a 4th/5th round pick from the devil's to me.

I hope I eat crow... because I really want Dougie back, but I'm getting sick of the BS Don and the FO feeds the media.

All of this hardball negotiation is going to backfire really quickly.

I do think this could be true.

Devil's have a 7 year $63 million deal on the table and want him bad. Ideally they just wait out the clock and sign him.

Waddell sees this and makes his final pitch. Let's say he matches the $55-60 million over 8 years. Ideally Hamilton would prefer to play in Carolina or the point is moot.

Now NJ can either lose Hamilton or pay Carolina assets to up their offer to $72 million over 8 years. Waddell can decide what that may be worth to him versus retaining Hamilton. That 8th year is Waddell's last chance to extract value, either through trade or a lower AAV.

 

[DougieSmash]

Well, if he lie to us, that's another questionable move from the Regime.

 

[Joe McGrath]

We'd replace him by committee.

Thats true and it isn’t. Hamilton completely changes the way you play when he’s on the ice, you don’t replace something like that by committee. The replacements will be a different PP QB/shooter, and a new partner for Slavin (probably different players) so I’m that sense, yes. But it’s not replacing what he actually brings to the table.

 

[dogbazinho]

Wonder how no D on the PP would look