Rumor: Dhaliwal- Tanev's preference was to get traded to Van at the Deadline. Van had a better offer than Dallas but Calgary rejected it

[Some Other Flame]

Both Podkolzin and Raty are milquetoast and uninspiring prospects at this stage. Neither are all that attractive league wide because every team has formerly hyped prospects that are trending towards being busts.

That Podkolzin can't even manage a ppg pace in the AHL as a 22 soon to be 23 year old suggests there's not an impact offensive NHL'er there. Ditto for Raty's although he's a year younger. That's not to say that can't still carve out NHL careers, it's just increasingly unlikely that they'll ever be difference makers.

 

[PettersonHughes]

I'm glad we didn't trade for him in Vancouver, we really shouldn't spend more assets on pending UFAs after trading for Lindholm already. Adding another defensive RD probably wouldn't be the difference maker anyways when the GAA isn't even that high and the team may risk losing him in the future when we still have several other prominent FA's to re-sign. I'm good with running with what we have on the back end and have the forwards remember how to score again (thankfully Mikheyev seems to possibly have turned a corner).

 

[Cogburn]

Both Podkolzin and Raty are milquetoast and uninspiring prospects at this stage. Neither are all that attractive league wide because every team has formerly hyped prospects that are trending towards being busts.

That Podkolzin can't even manage a ppg pace in the AHL as a 22 soon to be 23 year old suggests there's not an impact offensive NHL'er there. Ditto for Raty's although he's a year younger. That's not to say that can't still carve out NHL careers, it's just increasingly unlikely that they'll ever be difference makers.

Have you actually watched Podkolzin play?

 

[gianni]

He's playing 4th line and averages 10 minutes a night. Good for him if he carves out a career as a 4th line winger at this point. I'll take the chance on Grushnikov though. Again it's been reported that Calgary values him as more than a late 1st in this draft, I doubt anyone would trade a late 1st for Podkolzin at this point in time

Yeah, we heard the same thing about Nils Hoglander... Not worried about Vasili Podkolzin

Both Podkolzin and Raty are milquetoast and uninspiring prospects at this stage. Neither are all that attractive league wide because every team has formerly hyped prospects that are trending towards being busts.

That Podkolzin can't even manage a ppg pace in the AHL as a 22 soon to be 23 year old suggests there's not an impact offensive NHL'er there. Ditto for Raty's although he's a year younger. That's not to say that can't still carve out NHL careers, it's just increasingly unlikely that they'll ever be difference makers.

Podkolzin wasn't drafted to be a high end offensive player. He was drafted to be a fiesty, hardworking, middle-six power forward. He'll be better than all of the Flames' recent 1st round picks imo. He has the same amount of career NHL goals than Matt Coronato, Connor Zary, and Jakob Pelletier combined.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Yeah, we heard the same thing about Nils Hoglander... Not worried about Vasili Podkolzin



Podkolzin wasn't drafted to be a high end offensive player. He was drafted to be a fiesty, hardworking, middle-six power forward. He'll be better than all of the Flames' recent 1st round picks imo. He has the same amount of career NHL goals than Matt Coronato, Connor Zary, and Jakob Pelletier combined.

Canucks drafted Podkolzin 10th overall to be a middle six player? Sure okay

He's also played 16 more NHL games then those 3 Flames prospects combined so, that all seems pretty meaningless

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yeah, we heard the same thing about Nils Hoglander... Not worried about Vasili Podkolzin



Podkolzin wasn't drafted to be a high end offensive player. He was drafted to be a fiesty, hardworking, middle-six power forward. He'll be better than all of the Flames' recent 1st round picks imo. He has the same amount of career NHL goals than Matt Coronato, Connor Zary, and Jakob Pelletier combined.

Nils was a buy low target a year ago. He was already clearly better than Podkolzin from his rookie year success. Podkolzin and Hoglander aren't remotely comparable.

Better than all the Flames recent 1sts? Lmao are you on drugs?

 

[gianni]

Canucks drafted Podkolzin 10th overall to be a middle six player? Sure okay

He's also played 16 more NHL games then those 3 Flames prospects combined so, that all seems pretty meaningless

Yup, you don't get a 1st line Power Forward w/ pedigree at 10th overall; they go top-5 like the Tkachuk brothers.

You get the Lawson Crouse's of the world at the 10th range.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Yeah, we heard the same thing about Nils Hoglander... Not worried about Vasili Podkolzin



Podkolzin wasn't drafted to be a high end offensive player. He was drafted to be a fiesty, hardworking, middle-six power forward. He'll be better than all of the Flames' recent 1st round picks imo. He has the same amount of career NHL goals than Matt Coronato, Connor Zary, and Jakob Pelletier combined.

lmao
Vasili Podkolzin is absolutely nothing in this league and never will be

 

[Soups On]

Love the revisionist nonsense as well as the clear lack of viewing of Podkolzin by other fans. He was absolutely drafted with the intention of being a top 6 power forward, not a middle six. He's only shown a few glimpses of that and unfortunately it isn't reflected on the scoresheet. He's shown enough to have Canucks fans convinced he can be a very effective middle six 20-20 guy. A more physical and bigger Jannick Hansen and I'm happy with that at this rate.


Absolutely nothing in this league and never will be lmao - melodramatic and nonsensical, just like the absolute statements that he's better than all the recent Flames 1st round picks when a guy like Zary has fit in nicely with the Flames this season.

 

[gianni]

Love the revisionist nonsense as well as the clear lack of viewing of Podkolzin by other fans. He was absolutely drafted with the intention of being a top 6 power forward, not a middle six. He's only shown a few glimpses of that and unfortunately it isn't reflected on the scoresheet. He's shown enough to have Canucks fans convinced he can be a very effective middle six 20-20 guy. A more physical and bigger Jannick Hansen and I'm happy with that at this rate.


Absolutely nothing in this league and never will be lmao - melodramatic and nonsensical, just like the absolute statements that he's better than all the recent Flames 1st round picks when a guy like Zary has fit in nicely with the Flames this season.

Podkolzin's floor was seen as a 3rd liner, and ceiling as a 2nd liner = middle-six.

When he was drafted, the lotto line was the 1st line, so he was never gonna displace JT Miller & Brock Boeser.


Anyone that thought the Canucks drafted a likely 1st line power forward is delulu

 

[Rpenny]

Do we know what the actual offer was? Oilers had an offer for Tanev as well that was reportedly better than what Dallas ended up giving.

Love the revisionist nonsense as well as the clear lack of viewing of Podkolzin by other fans. He was absolutely drafted with the intention of being a top 6 power forward, not a middle six. He's only shown a few glimpses of that and unfortunately it isn't reflected on the scoresheet. He's shown enough to have Canucks fans convinced he can be a very effective middle six 20-20 guy. A more physical and bigger Jannick Hansen and I'm happy with that at this rate.


Absolutely nothing in this league and never will be lmao - melodramatic and nonsensical, just like the absolute statements that he's better than all the recent Flames 1st round picks when a guy like Zary has fit in nicely with the Flames this season.

agreed. Whomever a team takes in the top 20, they assume it will be a player who is either top 6 fwd or top 4 D--not a plugger

 

[bleedgreen]

Op should change the title, Vancouver “felt” they had the best offer means very little and shouldn’t be left out of the title. Shouldn’t set up the thread to spark arguments and criticism when it’s not the truth. Intentionally argumentative.

 

[Soups On]

Podkolzin's floor was seen as a 3rd liner, and ceiling as a 2nd liner = middle-six.

When he was drafted, the lotto line was the 1st line, so he was never gonna displace JT Miller & Brock Boeser.


Anyone that thought the Canucks drafted a likely 1st line power forward is delulu

You don't draft middle 6 forwards because you have a 1st line. You get the forwards with the most amount of upside, especially at the top end of the draft.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

The Flames org is a mess. Why are we even trying to figure out their mentality logically?

Look at the drama the last few seasons: Sutter, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Kadri, Markstrom, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanafin, Dube, etc.

 

[gianni]

You don't draft middle 6 forwards because you have a 1st line. You get the forwards with the most amount of upside, especially at the top end of the draft.

Sometimes it's a weak draft like 2019 is looking to be. 1st line talent isn't always gonna be available at #10 unless the scouting staff is topnotch.

It's not always about most amount of upside, sometimes it's about having a high floor as well. At #10, some gm's would go w/ the fiesty 2nd/3rd line upside player vs a high ceiling/low floor player.

Cole Caufield was taken 15th b/c some teams weren't sure his game would translate.

 

[gianni]

The Flames org is a mess. Why are we even trying to figure out their mentality logically?

Look at the drama the last few seasons: Sutter, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Kadri, Markstrom, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanafin, Dube, etc.

Yup, the Matt Tkachuk trade set them back 6-7 years; should've been able to get a young superstar. Also should've gotten something for Johnny Gaudreau before he hit UFA.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Clearly Tkachuk stirred the drink on that line as Gaudreau and Lindholm have not been close to the same since.

 

[thefutures]

Loved hearing about podkolzin, raty and hoglander from Pens fans. Equally amusing reading about them from flames fans. I thought hanafin was supposed to bring back borque or something? maybe learn about the prospects first. Canucks gave you guys your only good trade this season.

 

[Fig]

Everyone and their mother knows that Tanev ends up in Vancouver this summer.

The Canucks media is kicking up a fuss over nothing. Aatu Raty sucks anyway

I was chatting with a season ticket holder who told thinks that Calgary will be a finalist for re-signing Tanev. Rumors is that Tanev really enjoyed his time in Calgary and is building a house here.

It's not guaranteed. But supposedly, Tanev is open to coming back if a competitive offer is fielded.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Don't worry, Tanev will sign with Vancouver in the summer.

 

[seafoam]

You tellin' me there's a guy who wants to play in Canada???

 

[Nanuuk]

The Flames org is a mess. Why are we even trying to figure out their mentality logically?

Look at the drama the last few seasons: Sutter, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Kadri, Markstrom, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanafin, Dube, etc.

The Flames org is not a mess. They've had their fair share of hard to handle issues though.

 

[treple13]

Clearly Tkachuk stirred the drink on that line as Gaudreau and Lindholm have not been close to the same since.

That's a hilariously bad revisionist take. Someone obviously didn't watch the 2022 playoffs where Gaudreau was cooking, Lindholm was sniping and Tkachuk was just floating (outside two games). Gaudreau was the best player on that line that year and it isn't close.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

That's a hilariously bad revisionist take. Someone obviously didn't watch the 2022 playoffs where Gaudreau was cooking, Lindholm was sniping and Tkachuk was just floating (outside two games). Gaudreau was the best player on that line that year and it isn't close.

Nah I don't watch Flames games. Seems like only one is still producing though.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Podkolzin's floor was seen as a 3rd liner, and ceiling as a 2nd liner = middle-six.

When he was drafted, the lotto line was the 1st line, so he was never gonna displace JT Miller & Brock Boeser.


Anyone that thought the Canucks drafted a likely 1st line power forward is delulu

Podkolzin was literally drafted before the Canucks even acquired Miller. Do you even watch the Canucks

Gotta say, that's probably one of the funniest attempts to spin drafting a trending bust I've seen in a while, even with the incorrect timeline. "Oh we had too many good players on the team, that's why we wanted to make sure we picked a bad one with the 10th overall pick in the draft."