Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part I

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I thought Ruff's comment after yesterday's game on the system they have was interesting. Nothing ground breaking but just reinforced some of the discussions and observations we've had here.

It was something like "it's a system built on constant puck pressure and if we miss some things then sure we'll give up some chances but when we're on our game we don't give opponents much time."

After the last few years, and even as early as the first few games this year, I just didn't think this roster could play that way successfully. I don't know if something just clicked with them or what but during this stretch I think we've seen what good execution of that system looks like. There are definitely the occasional breakdowns still but in the grand scheme of things it can work well if they keep this up.
I'll admit I was pretty down on how things were going after the first two games because they were just such a microcosm of how it went last year, but I think there's something from a mentality standpoint that is different. Last year you would see us dominate games all the time to start, then the goaltending gives up a soft chance and the team would just fold. This year, they've been getting out in front earlier, and then once you're ahead all the score effects of the other team chasing the game come into play so they start taking more risks, you start to exploit them, and if the goaltending actually holds up and you already have a lead or are at least controlling the game, it gives you more confidence to take those aggressive lines.

Also, this system is close enough to what they wanted to do last year, but it requires a high-intensity and effort level to do right. Across sports we've seen that athletes can give that kind of effort when they believe it's going to matter. But if in the back of your head you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop like they clearly were last year, it's harder to maintain that intensity. It's not a conscious decision a player is making, but rather just the endorphins telling you that you can do it when you truly believe in what you're working for. (This isn't a shortcoming of the player, BTW. This is just human nature. It's unreasonable to expect otherwise).
 

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I'll admit I was pretty down on how things were going after the first two games because they were just such a microcosm of how it went last year, but I think there's something from a mentality standpoint that is different. Last year you would see us dominate games all the time to start, then the goaltending gives up a soft chance and the team would just fold. This year, they've been getting out in front earlier, and then once you're ahead all the score effects of the other team chasing the game come into play so they start taking more risks, you start to exploit them, and if the goaltending actually holds up and you already have a lead or are at least controlling the game, it gives you more confidence to take those aggressive lines.

Also, this system is close enough to what they wanted to do last year, but it requires a high-intensity and effort level to do right. Across sports we've seen that athletes can give that kind of effort when they believe it's going to matter. But if in the back of your head you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop like they clearly were last year, it's harder to maintain that intensity. It's not a conscious decision a player is making, but rather just the endorphins telling you that you can do it when you truly believe in what you're working for. (This isn't a shortcoming of the player, BTW. This is just human nature. It's unreasonable to expect otherwise).
This is why it's so important that Vitek start the majority of games.

Because unlike Blackwood, the team actually believes he will keep them in the game more often than not so they can have a chance at winning.
 

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Tatar isn't productive enough for the top 6 and is too soft and bad defensively for the bottom 6.

That's usually the formula for guys who suck in the playoffs.
Tatar is soft and bad defensively? Really? He is a pretty darn good possession player but he doesn't have strong finishing ability IMO. I don't want him in the top 6 in an ideal world, but he is not playing poorly.
 

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Meier is a very good player and he is guaranteed going to get far more than $6M. IMO he would be a good addition depending on the cap hit.

Yea, that's what I'm thinkng too and why I'm not interested. Outside of his rookie season, he has 2 good seasons, and 2 really meh seasons. He's off to a really bad start this season. Not enough to make me comfortable committing to this guy.
 

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Why? Alex has only played 13 NHL games so far in his career and he hasn’t looked bad this year when given a shot (he definitely improved on what management told him to). Hard to evaluate him when he’s out every other game and has 0 opportunity to build chemistry with anyone and establish/acclimate himself.

He’s off a stellar AHL season (1st as a pro in North America) and has looked good in 2 of his 3 games so far this year (the 3rd being after a few games off on a weird line). Way too early to tell with Holtz either way, writing him off right now seems premature to me.

I said impact player, as in a superstar. It's not a good sign that he can't lock in a spot in his +3 year. It's really funny how defensive you guys get about our prospects.

I can see him rounding out as a pp specialist eventually, but that would be exactly what I said, a complimentary player. That wouldn't make him a bust.
 

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Yea, that's what I'm thinkng too and why I'm not interested. Outside of his rookie season, he has 2 good seasons, and 2 really meh seasons. He's off to a really bad start this season. Not enough to make me comfortable committing to this guy.

he leads the league in shots on goal (nearly 5 per game) and is having terrible puck luck. He isn't going to shoot 2% forever.

FYI he also has 3 points in his last 2 games so his numbers are already starting to creep up
 

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Why? Alex has only played 13 NHL games so far in his career and he hasn’t looked bad this year when given a shot (he definitely improved on what management told him to). Hard to evaluate him when he’s out every other game and has 0 opportunity to build chemistry with anyone and establish/acclimate himself.

He’s off a stellar AHL season (1st as a pro in North America) and has looked good in 2 of his 3 games so far this year (the 3rd being after a few games off on a weird line). Way too early to tell with Holtz either way, writing him off right now seems premature to me.

I think at the worst, he turns into a Mike Hoffman type who excels on the powerplay and is meh 5v5 due to skating. I still would be willing to trade him if the piece we get back is pretty good as well, but it's wait and see right now. Devils are playing with house money in regards with their prospects and flipping them for future assets.
 

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I said impact player, as in a superstar. It's not a good sign that he can't lock in a spot in his +3 year. It's really funny how defensive you guys get about our prospects.

I can see him rounding out as a pp specialist eventually, but that would be exactly what I said, a complimentary player. That wouldn't make him a bust.
Apologies, to me impact player doesn’t mean a superstar. For example, I see Palat as being an impact player, not a superstar, but a player who makes a difference on the team. Understand your point better now, wasn’t trying to be defensive!
 
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Apologies, to me impact player doesn’t mean a superstar. For example, I see Palat as being an impact player, not a superstar, but a player who makes a difference on the team. Understand your point better now, wasn’t trying to be defensive!

You do have a point there. I think of Palat as a complimentary player as well because he's the type of player you add to improve the team, not build around, but he still is definitely going to make a big difference for the team. I probably used the wrong word in my other post.

I think at the worst, he turns into a Mike Hoffman type who excels on the powerplay and is meh 5v5 due to skating. I still would be willing to trade him if the piece we get back is pretty good as well, but it's wait and see right now. Devils are playing with house money in regards with their prospects and flipping them for future assets.

Considering their weakness still is goal scoring and their defense honestly looks pretty damn set, I think they should focus on drafting snipers for the next several drafts. Snipers and power forwards (which is also a weakness still).
 

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You do have a point there. I think of Palat as a complimentary player as well because he's the type of player you add to improve the team, not build around, but he still is definitely going to make a big difference for the team. I probably used the wrong word in my other post.



Considering their weakness still is goal scoring and their defense honestly looks pretty damn set, I think they should focus on drafting snipers for the next several drafts. Snipers and power forwards (which is also a weakness still).
I think we mostly agree though. I’m not sure Holtz will be a superstar, in the sense that I see him more as a 30-30/35 guy who scores a lot on the PP. In my opinion definitely an impact player in the top-6, not a superstar.
 
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I think at the worst, he turns into a Mike Hoffman type who excels on the powerplay and is meh 5v5 due to skating. I still would be willing to trade him if the piece we get back is pretty good as well, but it's wait and see right now. Devils are playing with house money in regards with their prospects and flipping them for future assets.

Holtz may turn out to just be a meh 5 on 5 guy and better on the PP, but FYI, Hoffman (not sure anymore) used to be a pretty fast skater back in the day.
 

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Nico had 8 shots yesterday and is up to nearly 4/game so far this year. I think Nico's shooting troubles stemmed in part from his injuries last season - he'll shoot when he gets to the scoring area, which he is doing a lot this year.
I think playing with Hall in his 1st season was a bit detrimental to him. He basically turned into a "Always pass to hall" center. I think its taken awhile to get back to who he originally was.

I thought Ruff's comment after yesterday's game on the system they have was interesting. Nothing ground breaking but just reinforced some of the discussions and observations we've had here.

It was something like "it's a system built on constant puck pressure and if we miss some things then sure we'll give up some chances but when we're on our game we don't give opponents much time."

After the last few years, and even as early as the first few games this year, I just didn't think this roster could play that way successfully. I don't know if something just clicked with them or what but during this stretch I think we've seen what good execution of that system looks like. There are definitely the occasional breakdowns still but in the grand scheme of things it can work well if they keep this up.
Or its perhaps one of those strategies that is "only as good as its weakest link". If one person isn't fully committed then it all falls apart.
 

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You do have a point there. I think of Palat as a complimentary player as well because he's the type of player you add to improve the team, not build around, but he still is definitely going to make a big difference for the team. I probably used the wrong word in my other post.



Considering their weakness still is goal scoring and their defense honestly looks pretty damn set, I think they should focus on drafting snipers for the next several drafts. Snipers and power forwards (which is also a weakness still).
I hope we draft C and in later rounds look for a player like a Zajac ?
 
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Really nice to see Zetterlund thriving. Very likeable player IMO

Post draft 4 years between Swedish leagues and the AHL, and while he showed slight improvement every year there wasn't a ton of hype around him.

Starts popping off in the AHL last year, gets a brief callup in November where he barely plays, (under 20 minutes over 3 games) and people were saying he doesn't look like an NHL player.

Back down to the AHL where he keeps putting up impressive results. Recalled late in the year and since then
15 NHL games, 10 points (All ES), +8, 48 shots while playing a solid all around game and looking competent in a top 9 role.
 

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Really nice to see Zetterlund thriving. Very likeable player IMO

Post draft 4 years between Swedish leagues and the AHL, and while he showed slight improvement every year there wasn't a ton of hype around him.

Starts popping off in the AHL last year, gets a brief callup in November where he barely plays, (under 20 minutes over 3 games) and people were saying he doesn't look like an NHL player.

Back down to the AHL where he keeps putting up impressive results. Recalled late in the year and since then
15 NHL games, 10 points (All ES), +8, 48 shots while playing a solid all around game and looking competent in a top 9 role.

I feel like he's the only one that just SHOOTS THE PUCK on this team.

He's like a bumper in a pinball game. As soon as it gets to him it's off his stick.
 
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