Devils Team Discussion (current team/player news and notes) ‎2014-2015 edition

[JimEIV]

1.5m is a reasonable amount if you compare to other young offensive defensemen. I feel he's getting lowballed here.

Who? Show me a playet who hasn't completed 1 full season that is making 1.5 million as a base contract.

He hasn't even proven he can take a regular shift.

 

[MadDevil]

Larsson is making 900K with twice as many games under his belt as Gelinas. I think it's pretty reasonable to say he should be getting paid similarly.

 

[JimEIV]

Look at this way...Mark Fayne was making 1.4 last season.... Gelinas and his agent are a nut job if they think they should be in that range.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Who? Show me a playet who hasn't completed 1 full season that is making 1.5 million as a base contract.

He hasn't even proven he can take a regular shift.

tell me what you think Gelinas should be making

anything under like, $850k and you are out to lunch.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Yea, I'd give Gelinas what Larsson just got but I assume he wants 6 figures because of what he did on the powerplay.

 

[Emperoreddy]

tell me what you think Gelinas should be making

anything under like, $850k and you are out to lunch.

$900k is what he should make. Honestly $850 is more like it but Lars' contract makes sense for him.

$1.5 is way out of the ball park for a PP specialist with defensive issues and only 60 games under his belt.

If he was cruising on both ends of the ice maybe a different story, but its not the case here.

 

[manilaNJ]

I keep misreading the capgeek page for Gelinas. I learn something new everytime I click on it. I didn't know he had performance bonuses included initially.

He was making $650k - and if my math on capgeek is correct, it does not look like he hit whatever mark was necessary to receive his performance bonus.

Had he, the total would have been around $870k.
Merrill is making $840+ on his ELC, Larsson is making $900 straight up on 2nd contract as a "prove yourself" type of deal.
So I think it's a fair assumption to say that Lou's offer is somewhere in that area.

TG noted that the Devils did indeed offer a 1 way deal to Gelinas.
Lupien mentioned that he's not asking for $1.5+

So we're talking about ~$600k, at most.
That's some nickle and dime bull****tery. Even for a 2nd contract.

Somebody in this equation (Lou, Lupien, or Gelinas) is digging their heels in for the hell of it.

 

[AfroThunder396]

If we start the season with Gelinas unsigned it brings to light an interesting question of who they play on the PP. Do you give Greene more PP minutes, or do you save him for ES? Do Merrill or Larsson get a shot? Or do we play Harrold on the PP, which Pete inexplicably loves to do?

Some interesting choices and I guarantee whatever happens I probably won't agree with it. Blegh.

 

[JimEIV]

Don't discount Severson.

 

[NJDevs26]

If we start the season with Gelinas unsigned it brings to light an interesting question of who they play on the PP. Do you give Greene more PP minutes, or do you save him for ES? Do Merrill or Larsson get a shot? Or do we play Harrold on the PP, which Pete inexplicably loves to do?

Some interesting choices and I guarantee whatever happens I probably won't agree with it. Blegh.

You answered your own question. It probably should be Zidlicky-Larsson-Greene-Merrill. But it probably will be Zidlicky-Merrill-Greene-Harrold.

 

[NJDevs26]

I keep misreading the capgeek page for Gelinas. I learn something new everytime I click on it. I didn't know he had performance bonuses included initially.

He was making $650k - and if my math on capgeek is correct, it does not look like he hit whatever mark was necessary to receive his performance bonus.

Had he, the total would have been around $870k.
Merrill is making $840+ on his ELC, Larsson is making $900 straight up on 2nd contract as a "prove yourself" type of deal.
So I think it's a fair assumption to say that Lou's offer is somewhere in that area.

TG noted that the Devils did indeed offer a 1 way deal to Gelinas.
Lupien mentioned that he's not asking for $1.5+

So we're talking about ~$600k, at most.
That's some nickle and dime bull****tery. Even for a 2nd contract.

Somebody in this equation (Lou, Lupien, or Gelinas) is digging their heels in for the hell of it.

I'll take door #2 Monty.

 

[manilaNJ]

If we start the season with Gelinas unsigned it brings to light an interesting question of who they play on the PP. Do you give Greene more PP minutes, or do you save him for ES? Do Merrill or Larsson get a shot? Or do we play Harrold on the PP, which Pete inexplicably loves to do?

Some interesting choices and I guarantee whatever happens I probably won't agree with it. Blegh.

Perhaps they'll go back to using 4f/1d. They were basically rolling with that until Gelinas.
Of the 14 forwards signed, 11 have some use on the power play. 12 if you count Bernier being a net front presence.

Zajac has manned the point on the PP, as has Elias (but no one is really a fan of that).
Henrique is usually the forward on his line covering at the point when a dman has pinched. Just as ES, but that might be worth a shot.

Then you have Larsson and Merrill who'll probably get a look. Shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Still have some holes on the PK to fill. That's what my mind has been on.
But, the coaches have actually made good use of guys like Zidlicky and Loktionov on the PK... so maybe that's not a concern.

 

[NJDevs26]

Perhaps they'll go back to using 4f/1d. They were basically rolling with that until Gelinas.
Of the 14 forwards signed, 11 have some use on the power play. 12 if you count Bernier being a net front presence.

How many of those can actually play the point though? Not many...one at most and Zajac never uses his slapshot there anyway so there's hardly a point to it. I think Brunner CAN play the point but they never used him there (and the one time they tried he bombed iirc). That's why it's tough to see 4-1 for any stretch.

 

[Bleedred]

Harrold shouldn't even be in the lineup. I'd rather sign Kaberle if this Gelinas thing goes on for long.

Harrold on the PP is *********. If Harrold is in the lineup every night, we're in some serious trouble. It's gonna be a rough season if that's the case.

Let Larsson play the PP. To hell with Petey Jr and his 8 career PP points in 200+ games. Call up Severson or sign Kaberle to a one year deal.

 

[NJDevs26]

Harrold shouldn't even be in the lineup. I'd rather sign Kaberle if this Gelinas thing goes on for long.

Harrold on the PP is *********. If Harrold is in the lineup every night, we're in some serious trouble. It's gonna be a rough season if that's the case.

Let Larsson play the PP. To hell with Petey Jr and his 8 career PP points in 200+ games. Call up Severson or sign Kaberle to a one year deal.

I could definitely see them rotating Harrold and Kaberle assuming no Gelinas and they sign Kaberle, really neither one should be playing everyday but both can spot in.

Of course there's always the possibility Severson blows the doors off the house in camp too, which would really be death to Gelinas here.

 

[manilaNJ]

How many of those can actually play the point though? Not many...one at most and Zajac never uses his slapshot there anyway so there's hardly a point to it. I think Brunner CAN play the point but they never used him there (and the one time they tried he bombed iirc). That's why it's tough to see 4-1 for any stretch.

I forgot about Brunner, too.
We'll probably see a bunch of "what the **** are they thinking?" combinations throughout camp/preseason and see what sticks -- I'm going to assume, without much confidence, that Larsson gets some more PP time to start off.

But his PK minutes are going to need to increase, too. It all depends upon how many "big" minutes they're going to hand to him right off the bat.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Harrold shouldn't even be in the lineup. I'd rather sign Kaberle if this Gelinas thing goes on for long.

Harrold on the PP is *********. If Harrold is in the lineup every night, we're in some serious trouble. It's gonna be a rough season if that's the case.

Let Larsson play the PP. To hell with Petey Jr and his 8 career PP points in 200+ games. Call up Severson or sign Kaberle to a one year deal.

I agree. At least Kaberle has a history of putting up points. Harrold has a history of not being any good. It would be the lesser of 2 evils since Kaberle isn't what he used to be but I'd still easily take him over Harrold.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Don't discount Severson.

If Severson makes the team just to play on the PP I'll be disappointed. I mean, I'll be happy he's an NHL caliber guy already but I think he should prove himself at ES before he gets big special teams minutes.

Also, if Severson makes the team out of camp we'll be at 7D with Gelinas and Kaberle unsigned which makes another mess we'll have to deal with at some point. Not saying we should reject a ready talent because of numbers, but it's a future headache we don't need to deal with.

Honestly, I think Severson has a strong camp and finishes the season in New Jersey, but he'll be more Merrill than Oduya. Strong camp, victim of a numbers game, but gets a seizes his opportunity and refuses to get sent down.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Torey Krug is unsigned too. VERY similar players when it comes to production and age. I wonder if a contract given to Krug would be used as a benchmark for Gelinas.

 

[njdevils6]

are we sure the problem isn't years and not money maybe he doesn't want more then 1 year

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Torey Krug is unsigned too. VERY similar players when it comes to production and age. I wonder if a contract given to Krug would be used as a benchmark for Gelinas.

What about using Tyson Barrie's new contract as a benchmark for Gelinas - 2 years $2.6m per season.

 

[schoenfeld]

What about using Tyson Barrie's new contract as a benchmark for Gelinas - 2 years $2.6m per season.

i'm usually not the type to harp over contract details but holy hell get out no way

 

[MadDevil]

are we sure the problem isn't years and not money maybe he doesn't want more then 1 year

We really have no idea what's holding the process up. It's all just speculation.

Personally, it wouldn't surprise me if Lou is offering a "show me" contract similar to what he gave Larsson and Gelinas' camp is looking for more money/term. I just hope he's not holding out for something like Schultz or Barrie got, because I don't see Lou going that high for a guy who has 60 games of NHL experience, and Gelinas really can't afford to miss training camp.

 

[Sheros expletives]

What about using Tyson Barrie's new contract as a benchmark for Gelinas - 2 years $2.6m per season.

That's the one i was thinking about.

 

[Sheros expletives]

We really have no idea what's holding the process up. It's all just speculation.

Personally, it wouldn't surprise me if Lou is offering a "show me" contract similar to what he gave Larsson and Gelinas' camp is looking for more money/term. I just hope he's not holding out for something like Schultz or Barrie got, because I don't see Lou going that high for a guy who has 60 games of NHL experience, and Gelinas really can't afford to miss training camp.

According to Gelinas agent it's money and money alone that's causing the hold up.