Prospect Info: Devils Picking 4th Overall, Part II

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Completely ok with Hughes, Guenther, Eklund or Clarke tomorrow night.

 

[Nico Hughes]

Dont overthink it

Draft Luke Hughes and prosper, both on ice and in marketing

he isnt going top-3, though he should

 

[Emperoreddy]

Draft Hughes. Clarke never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

Draft Hughes. Clarke never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

Queso? Kraft? Cheese in a can? Does this exist in linear reality?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Just went over to the Ducks board to see where their heads are with this draft since they’re an insane wildcard imo, apparently Bob Murray said they need someone to play in their top 6 forwards as a quote leading up to tomorrow’s draft. Hughes should be at 4 if that’s the case.

 

[Hisch13r]

Just went over to the Ducks board to see where their heads are with this draft since they’re an insane wildcard imo, apparently Bob Murray said they need someone to play in their top 6 forwards as a quote leading up to tomorrow’s draft. Hughes should be at 4 if that’s the case.

I really think they should be going with Eklund

 

[Guadana]

I don’t do enough personal research on the prospects to have a firm opinion. I listen to all of you folks on here that watch the young players. I would be fine with whoever the team takes ultimately. They know more than me. My preference would be the team takes all right hand defenders since we have so few. I realize that’s silly. My guess is they take Hughes if he is there but if they took Edvinsson I’d be fine if that’s who they think will pan out for them. For what it is worth Edvinsson sounds like the sort of player they have been trying to add on defense (big frame, long reach, good skater, some physicality, and solid tools for a balanced game). That said he may be a bit similar to guys like Mukhamadullin and Bahl and Vukojevic so it might make more sense to go in another direction. That’s too much effort to get too attached to any one player so I’m open to all the prospects.

If they will sign Hamilton for 7 years, devils will hardly needs in real top defenseman with good defensive ability. And we dont have a clue we have one at least. Think about it. Anyway Edvinsson is the best defenseman out of three, but needs and prospect pool do exist.
Anyway if Devils will draft Clarke i will be pretty happy. He is the smartest one on this draft. From defensemen and forwards. And Devils will find homestand defenseman for him in our prospect pool easily.

I just dont like to not have a guy like Seider or Sanderson, because I think that it is what all teams need to find to build a winning team, but who I am.

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Like in the pasr review I add bad and good plays of Edvinsson.
I prefer to pick a game where edvinsson team suck to show all of his sides. I`m not the "oh, hughes is a good skater, look at this and this highlight" guy. Sad but true.

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CANADA 12 -1 SWEDEN

first period
13-16 Defensive play
14-33 bright problem of Edvinsson - he makes raw decisions when he tries to throw the puck quickly
14-59 Edvinsson's bright advantage is correct positioning, winning the fight for the puck, working with the body
15-33 go to intercept, pokechek, defused the moment
15-46 seems to be a simple moment, he took the puck simply, but here you can see how correctly he moves and protects the puck relative to the opponent
19-12 slot cleaning, positioning
19-16 puck protecting
19-32 defensive game, pushing player out of the zone, winning the fight for the puck
22-27 zone entrance, puck control
22-54 preventive neutralize
25-21 blockshot. He losed a puck, but everybody losed it
25-39 was hitten
28-23 puck battle
29-09 shot
29-58 missing goal. Bright example - he blocked one of canadian sticks, but he cant neutralize two players in this moment. "team work"
33-17 zone exit, puckhandling
34-07 pokechek
34-22 gap control, hit
34-34 zone exit, protecting the puck
37-18 protect the puck, passing
37-33 moment, when you can think - oh, this is mistake. for a fast view. but this is not. canadian player goin forward on the full speed, edvinsson must turn around, he was in worser position for start the race. Edvinsson work like a great defensive iq player, he saw his partner and touch canadian stick to save a second for his partner, who did moving on a full speed and have a moment to take away the puck. This little moment shows big things.
41-17 Skating, puckhandling, zone entrance. Tell me story he has no offensive upside

Second period
56-31 break the pass
56-33 take away the puck, body work
59-36 takeaway, zone exit, and... bad passing
1-00-30 - Goal, and here it is his fault. Bad puck dicision and he didnt go to the free canadian player.
1-03-23 - big sequance - borad play, puck protecting, stick work
1-07-08 puck race, puck battle against two players.
1-07-24 neutralize offense
1-14-26 when his partners cant handle it, he did what he can in situation
1-16-54 pokecheck
1-17-45 battle on the slot
1-17-59 puck battle against two players
1-18-20 bad passing for breakaway
1-21-40 puckhandling
1-22-18 puck battle, body work
1-22-36 bad passing decision
1-23-55 bad desicion in puck battle
1-24-15 zone entrance with the pass

3 период
1-40-35 puck battle, zone entrance, pass to the slot
1-40-52 board battle
1-43-48 board battle
1-43-57 forecheck
1-44-08 mistake on the blue line, but he did good start and made enough, body work
1-49-45 pokecheck
1-56-08 board battle against one, after second canadian player stole the puck. sweden players "help" each other
1-56-11 Another "team" work from sweden. Edvinsson clean the slot, but two sweden players... I dont know how they did what they did.

He wasn`t as good in this game as he was good in 1-8 in second game with Canada. But he work hard, win everything he can, made some upside for offense. He has problems with passing desicion, but problem is consistent. if you watch his alssvenskan game you will see how he play clean solid defensive game.

His ppg result is SECOND BEST in the last ten years for 17yo allsvenskan player.

He is solid defensively, he is very good skater and puck handler. That makes him great defensive prospect. Who can be a bust after drafting? Softy puckmovers or slow and big defensive defensemen like Reinhart. Edvinsson owns good pack of skills.

Do we know how Hughes will develope his defensive abuility? I dont know, he is very passive in defensive zone. In USHL. Clarke will be a great puckmover, he is the smartest one, but he will never skates faster. I think his skating is good enough, I dont share the oppinion that he is a weak skater. But he will never win a puck race agaisnt some young "coleman".

Guys like Edvinsson are the part of winning team. And we have none in the devils roster. We have some options in prospect pool, yeah. Bahl is confusing skater. Misyul is playing 5-8 min per game in KHL. Mukhamadullin is very raw and he isnt good skater. Okhotyuk is great defensive defenseman potentially, but he will never have offensive upside. Vukoevich isnt great skater too, both are not on the same level of talent.
We have only Smith in the roster. And he is puckmover. And I dont think he will be ever really good defensively. Severson? Good board playin and on the blue line. He is very bad against breakaways and in zone protecting. Subban? How long he will be a devils player? Graves? same question.

Edvinsson is an answer.
But I dont think and I dont wait for drafting him. I will be very glad if we will draft Clarke. Because we are lack of right defenseman and I think some of our defensive left defensemen will be great pair for him.

But I think devils will draft Hughes. And its sucks.

 

[Guadana]

The problem is how Edvinsson could look in USHL. He did all offensive things year before. And as I watched him, he is good puckhandling player and play very well with the puck. Passes - yes, he is in out of control. But he is much better in defensive zone. He makes mistakes but he is an active defensive player. Hughes is not, he is passive defensive player, and he is completly disaster if you put him in SHL\Allsvenskan.
I dont know circumstances of why Edvinsson wasnt play pp role in junior team, but he change 3 squads\leagues per year, he was on covid lists as I remember, and managed his season with travel. And if you will remember u-20 and u-18 sweden squads didn`t look well both.
Edvinsson is much better prospect with much better ceiling and little risks. Because he need to fix passing under pressure and shooting. Hughes produce enough but he has a ton to fix in his game. And his trump doesnt work against Edvinssov, because Edvinsson is great skater too.

I will not take games from alssvenskan to disassemble, where edvinsson team was good and he was good, where he makes good moves at both ends and his team win it. I`m takin a game where Edvinsson team fvcked up. To show how he makes his job well and how bad you are when trying to refer on it.

canada 8-1 sweden
6-49 This is how he work with his body and close gaps. against Clarke btw
20-03 Stick work
22-34 easy thing to protect the partner. how often Hughes did make it.
26-00 Edvinsson against Guenther. He did it ok, sweden partners? nope
26-18 tell me how a guy like Clarke and especially Hughes are better defensemen
27-45 yeah. some hightlights, thanks
for this moment of the game edvinsson didnt make any mistake, make two or three entrance and lost the puck because because was covered by 2 canada players, no help from partners, full sweden squad cant build offensive game. covid? coach? I dont know. Best two attacks begin from his pass and one of his zone entrance
29-40 physic dominance
32-40 takeaway
33-33 save the puck in offensive zone in pp. interesting pp. does edvinsson was lookin bad? nope/
36-15 forechecking. body work and stick work in the short moment
37-09 Edvinsson against Guenther
37-22 first mistake. his partner was goin to defense and he should stay on the slot in this moment. and then good body work
38-53. This is how he can work with the puck
47-59 stick work
52-00 create offense
56-55 another pp where edvinsson did everything right
59-20 stick work to trying to save the puck in offensive zone. another time when his partners didnt help him against two opponents.
1-00-38 board battle
1-06-10 pass right into the slot
1-08-37 is it his mistake or team missclick? and what was goin after. no goal, but this team wasnt clickin. and as we will see after - there are no problem in Edvinsson
1-11-29 same move, different result
1-11-58 board battle
1-14-55 makin mistake and neutralize it right after
1-15-10 board play in the corner of blue line
1-15-37 zone entrance
1-19-30 skating, passing and body work to neutralize player when he has partner from the back
1-28-40 gap control
1-29-05 offensive move and than his comeback. If bedard did make a pass - he have to cover it. Anyway Olsson and goalie did fvcked up.
1-32-20 I think he must create pressure here but their full line didnt make it and if he will make a pressure it would have ended with a pass into the opened zone and the Canadians would have scored.
1-37-15 skating that helps to make a safe play
1-38-12 puck racing, puck protection and neutralization. awesome moment against two canadian players.
1-41-20 makin play to safe the puck in offensive zone
1-41-35 - create offense.
1-41-59 - he is still on the ice, he broke the stick and solve the problem by his tools he have
1-42-20 - legs is an option too
1-42-25 - he returned with the stick and neutralize canadian offense. sweden didnt work without him. he is the батя here.
1-43-54 - body work and celan the slot
1-46-53 - Edvinsson against THREE canadian player
1-47-52 - clean the slot. and right after swdish goalie lose the puck after viewable shot.
1-55-52 7th goal of canada. What he actually could do here? And what did olsson do? He was been baaad all game long.
1-59-18 - board battle
1-59-54 - pokechecking, neutralize canadian offense
2-00-12 - 2-00-23 gap control, body work

This was a freakin 1-8 against Canada. And Edvinsson waas lookin like a best player even in disaster game for defense. Everywhere he could make something to save - he did. Only one of his moves was ended with dangerous chance. In the game where canada create 56 shots! And he create some offense.
Lysell over Edvinsson. My God. Lysell was on the ice every time in this game. I could agree that the 4th number is too high for Edvinsson, despite his obvious talent and good defensive play, which significantly distinguishes him from his peers. But 18? Even in the two games with Canada Edvinsson made mistakes, but the whole team did not work. And they, like the U-20 team, looked weak. But when he played against Guenther personally, Edvinsson worked well against Guenther and looked head and shoulders better than him, both physically and in the game against him. Canada managed 20 goals in those two games and Guenther didnt score. Edvinsson worked well against anyone and didnt lose in battles.

Even after this disaster game for sweden you can easily see why you are takin Edvinsson in top-5 over Guenther, over Lysell, over Hughes, who couldn't even come close to being able to endure such pressure.

The story about his lack of offense is a lie. He was pretty productive year before. Yes, he wasnt this year when he play against men. j-20 problems? ok, he is ppg allsvenskan best u-18 defenseman in the past 5 years. second best in ten years. So what?

Right in this game we can see great flashes of his offensive potential. We couldnt see how Hughes can play in this swedish roster against canada. He didnt play with usa against canada or russia. It would be hallerious to see how he could play against wright, bedard, mitchkov. Hughes and Edvinsson are nowhere close.

This is a serious mistake, Steven. And in your delusion, you are deluding other people. Edvinsson is what he actully is. He is sweden defenseman with good skating. But with great defensive abulity, bodywork and understanding the gap. He isn`t Broberg. He is "why we didnt draft him? Because he didnt produce in adult leagues in covid year when he was 17 yo guy?" guy. Like Power, he is close to have a floor to be top-4 guy, and ceiling to be best defenseman of the team. Hughes has a floor to be 3rd pairing pp specialist and ceiling to be 1st pair pp specialist, who will not play in hard minutes against top-players. If you want to draft #4 you must draft the player with better ceiling and better floor.

My second post with review of Edvinsson play against Canada in 1-8 game

 

[Oneiro]

I suppose if the rumors are true about Buffalo's interest in Eklund, Ducks can pick him and buy time to figure out a deal for Eichel. Deal falls through, you still have a damn good player.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

If they will sign Hamilton for 7 years, devils will hardly needs in real top defenseman with good defensive ability. And we dont have a clue we have one at least. Think about it. Anyway Edvinsson is the best defenseman out of three, but needs and prospect pool do exist.
Anyway if Devils will draft Clarke i will be pretty happy. He is the smartest one on this draft. From defensemen and forwards. And Devils will find homestand defenseman for him in our prospect pool easily.

I just dont like to not have a guy like Seider or Sanderson, because I think that it is what all teams need to find to build a winning team, but who I am.

________________
Like in the pasr review I add bad and good plays of Edvinsson.
I prefer to pick a game where edvinsson team suck to show all of his sides. I`m not the "oh, hughes is a good skater, look at this and this highlight" guy. Sad but true.

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CANADA 12 -1 SWEDEN

first period
13-16 Defensive play
14-33 bright problem of Edvinsson - he makes raw decisions when he tries to throw the puck quickly
14-59 Edvinsson's bright advantage is correct positioning, winning the fight for the puck, working with the body
15-33 go to intercept, pokechek, defused the moment
15-46 seems to be a simple moment, he took the puck simply, but here you can see how correctly he moves and protects the puck relative to the opponent
19-12 slot cleaning, positioning
19-16 puck protecting
19-32 defensive game, pushing player out of the zone, winning the fight for the puck
22-27 zone entrance, puck control
22-54 preventive neutralize
25-21 blockshot. He losed a puck, but everybody losed it
25-39 was hitten
28-23 puck battle
29-09 shot
29-58 missing goal. Bright example - he blocked one of canadian sticks, but he cant neutralize two players in this moment. "team work"
33-17 zone exit, puckhandling
34-07 pokechek
34-22 gap control, hit
34-34 zone exit, protecting the puck
37-18 protect the puck, passing
37-33 moment, when you can think - oh, this is mistake. for a fast view. but this is not. canadian player goin forward on the full speed, edvinsson must turn around, he was in worser position for start the race. Edvinsson work like a great defensive iq player, he saw his partner and touch canadian stick to save a second for his partner, who did moving on a full speed and have a moment to take away the puck. This little moment shows big things.
41-17 Skating, puckhandling, zone entrance. Tell me story he has no offensive upside

Second period
56-31 break the pass
56-33 take away the puck, body work
59-36 takeaway, zone exit, and... bad passing
1-00-30 - Goal, and here it is his fault. Bad puck dicision and he didnt go to the free canadian player.
1-03-23 - big sequance - borad play, puck protecting, stick work
1-07-08 puck race, puck battle against two players.
1-07-24 neutralize offense
1-14-26 when his partners cant handle it, he did what he can in situation
1-16-54 pokecheck
1-17-45 battle on the slot
1-17-59 puck battle against two players
1-18-20 bad passing for breakaway
1-21-40 puckhandling
1-22-18 puck battle, body work
1-22-36 bad passing decision
1-23-55 bad desicion in puck battle
1-24-15 zone entrance with the pass

3 период
1-40-35 puck battle, zone entrance, pass to the slot
1-40-52 board battle
1-43-48 board battle
1-43-57 forecheck
1-44-08 mistake on the blue line, but he did good start and made enough, body work
1-49-45 pokecheck
1-56-08 board battle against one, after second canadian player stole the puck. sweden players "help" each other
1-56-11 Another "team" work from sweden. Edvinsson clean the slot, but two sweden players... I dont know how they did what they did.

He wasn`t as good in this game as he was good in 1-8 in second game with Canada. But he work hard, win everything he can, made some upside for offense. He has problems with passing desicion, but problem is consistent. if you watch his alssvenskan game you will see how he play clean solid defensive game.

His ppg result is SECOND BEST in the last ten years for 17yo allsvenskan player.

He is solid defensively, he is very good skater and puck handler. That makes him great defensive prospect. Who can be a bust after drafting? Softy puckmovers or slow and big defensive defensemen like Reinhart. Edvinsson owns good pack of skills.

Do we know how Hughes will develope his defensive abuility? I dont know, he is very passive in defensive zone. In USHL. Clarke will be a great puckmover, he is the smartest one, but he will never skates faster. I think his skating is good enough, I dont share the oppinion that he is a weak skater. But he will never win a puck race agaisnt some young "coleman".

Guys like Edvinsson are the part of winning team. And we have none in the devils roster. We have some options in prospect pool, yeah. Bahl is confusing skater. Misyul is playing 5-8 min per game in KHL. Mukhamadullin is very FG raw and he isnt good skater. Okhotyuk is great defensive defenseman potentially, but he will never have offensive upside. Vukoevich isnt great skater too, both are not on the same level of talent.
We have only Smith in the roster. And he is puckmover. And I dont think he will be ever really good defensively. Severson? Good board playin and on the blue line. He is very bad against breakaways and in zone protecting. Subban? How long he will be a devils player? Graves? same question.

Edvinsson is an answer.
But I dont think and I dont wait for drafting him. I will be very glad if we will draft Clarke. Because we are lack of right defenseman and I think some of our defensive left defensemen will be great pair for him.

But I think devils will draft Hughes. And its sucks.

Yep, madness. Off you go.

 

[Guadana]

Yep, madness. Off you go.

Did you think I wrote earlier about a psychiatrist for joke?

 

[beekay414]

Thing is, Edvinsson isn't a Sanderson or Seider, like you're claiming above. Edvinsson isn't a shut down defenseman in the slightest so there is risk there, just as there is with Luke. When that's the case, you take the higher upside offensive player of the two. Edvinsson would have to really, REALLY separate from Hughes in the defensive zone to be worth taking over him and, with my viewings and the polarity among draftniks regarding him, there's nothing definitive that says he's guaranteed to be better in his own end than Luke. They both have their merits but Luke's ceiling is quite a bit higher than Edvinsson's.

I get preferring guys to others but let's not make Edvinsson out to be something he's not.