Devils 2017-18 team discussion (player news and notes) - Offseason part IV

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

This pre-expansion draft "Frenzy" has been some dud so far.

Time is still on their side.

 

[ScottyK]

This pre-expansion draft "Frenzy" has been some dud so far.

lot of teams balking it seems. no one willing to make the first move.....also Vegas seems to have a lot of side deals done

 

[Emperoreddy]

Doesn't seem to be a ton of guys really available.

Brodin seems the biggest name, some smaller guys like Kirk Cousins who just got shipped to Arizona for peanuts.

That said those trades aren't done yet apparently.

Vegas side deals are playing a part it seems. Might of taken the Ducks out of needing to make any larger move.

Didn't Nashville need to make a move or lose someone good for free? Same with Tampa?

 

[Nubmer6]

Vegas side deals are playing a part it seems. Might of taken the Ducks out of needing to make any larger move.

Didn't Nashville need to make a move or lose someone good for free? Same with Tampa?

Tampa made their move

 

[Devils Dominion]

It doesn't make sense. It isn't even a suggestion of trading for a potential young equivalent D. It isn't swapping Zacha for Ivan, Hanafin, or some other equivalent.

Trading for a winger that is older? And what happens to the people calling for this when the guy we trade for downfrades on our team while Zacha flourishes into a 60 point player for years elsewhere?

Shipping your 19 year olds out like that makes no sense.

It's baffling that fans are in the mindset of unloading PZ.

He should be a cornerstone.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Doesn't seem to be a ton of guys really available.

Brodin seems the biggest name, some smaller guys like Kirk Cousins who just got shipped to Arizona for peanuts.

That said those trades aren't done yet apparently.

Vegas side deals are playing a part it seems. Might of taken the Ducks out of needing to make any larger move.

Didn't Nashville need to make a move or lose someone good for free? Same with Tampa?

Nick Cousins.

His cousin Kirk plays QB for Wash.

 

[Emperoreddy]

It's baffling that fans are in the mindset of unloading PZ.

He should be a cornerstone.

It just isn't a move a rebuilding team makes. We aren't so loaded at forward where really aby of our forward prospects are suddenly expendable.

It also falls under the same argument on why you don't trade a top 10 pick right now. We need to be gambling on the potential high upside with really young prospects and picks.

Zacha's upside is higher than Nino's, and we need to stick with that.

 

[MadDevil]

Doesn't seem to be a ton of guys really available.

Brodin seems the biggest name, some smaller guys like Kirk Cousins who just got shipped to Arizona for peanuts.

That said those trades aren't done yet apparently.

Vegas side deals are playing a part it seems. Might of taken the Ducks out of needing to make any larger move.

Didn't Nashville need to make a move or lose someone good for free? Same with Tampa?

I think Nashville would need to work a backdoor deal to keep one of Jarnkrok or Neal. Or they could just expose Neal, who is more expensive and only signed through 2017-18.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I think Nashville would need to work a backdoor deal to keep one of Jarnkrok or Neal. Or they could just expose Neal, who is more expensive and only signed through 2017-18.

Losing the Ducks as a potential trade partner really makes Shero's job harder.

The Brodin or Dumba ask is most likely very high.

 

[Nubmer6]

I'm not sure we had the guns to make a deal with the Ducks anyway. Maybe we could have taken on some salary, I guess, but Vatanen wasn't going to be cheap.

 

[GeNeXt]

I'm expecting Shero to do at least something before the freeze, unless he has something planned with Vegas. He talked way to much about using the expansion draft for leverage along with all of our picks. Would be a slight fail in my eyes if he doesn't do anything, but my expectations are lower now that we've seen no teams do what was expected. Who knows, maybe tomorrow will be wild.

 

[TheDuke93]

It doesn't make sense. It isn't even a suggestion of trading for a potential young equivalent D. It isn't swapping Zacha for Ivan, Hanafin, or some other equivalent.

Trading for a winger that is older? And what happens to the people calling for this when the guy we trade for downfrades on our team while Zacha flourishes into a 60 point player for years elsewhere?

Shipping your 19 year olds out like that makes no sense.

Yeah I really don't see how going from the best Offensive team to the worst, and vice versa for Zacha would not backfire

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'm expecting Shero to do at least something before the freeze, unless he has something planned with Vegas. He talked way to much about using the expansion draft for leverage along with all of our picks. Would be a slight fail in my eyes if he doesn't do anything, but my expectations are lower now that we've seen no teams do what was expected. Who knows, maybe tomorrow will be wild.

Literally as the Wild might end up getting a haul for Brodin

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I'm not sure we had the guns to make a deal with the Ducks anyway. Maybe we could have taken on some salary, I guess, but Vatanen wasn't going to be cheap.

There have been some speculations that Anaheim tries to combine Stoner (or other player) and Vatanen to the same trade package.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Taking on a contract to lower the asset cost going the other way would be something to look out

Also I hate the Toronto media. Leafs are in on everything. Lou must be losing his mind that he can't just hang up on those guys or let the ravens get lost with his press releases.

 

[TheDuke93]

Taking on a contract to lower the asset cost going the other way would be something to look out

Also I hate the Toronto media. Leafs are in on everything. Lou must be losing his mind that he can't just hang up on those guys or let the ravens get lost with his press releases.

Is Stoner serviceable? I would gladly take him if it ment getting Vatananen for less.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Is Stoner serviceable? I would gladly take him if it ment getting Vatananen for less.

I'm not sure but it's only one season and $3,250,000.

 

[blood gin]

Taking on a contract to lower the asset cost going the other way would be something to look out

Also I hate the Toronto media. Leafs are in on everything. Lou must be losing his mind that he can't just hang up on those guys or let the ravens get lost with his press releases.

Heh. Lou parachuted into Toronto just as things were getting good. He isn't the top boss like he was here with, he doesn't have that kind of control. Stuff like this drives him radek bonkers I'm sure. But he does get to attach his name to what will likely be an impressive rejuvenation of a high profile franchise.

I'm not convinced he'll stick around Toronto to see the whole thing through though. Too big a microscope there and he'll grow tired of it in his old age

 

[MadDevil]

Is Stoner serviceable? I would gladly take him if it ment getting Vatananen for less.

We'd have a nice collection of useless defensemen with Stoner, Prout, and Lovejoy.

 

[Ripshot 43]

There have been some speculations that Anaheim tries to combine Stoner (or other player) and Vatanen to the same trade package.

This is exactly our type of deal. I would do something like this, for picks (not touching our top prospects) and then we would have to try to find a spot for one of our bottom D to be off the roster.

Step 1 of D rebuild happens in 2017

Greene - Severson
Merrill -Vatanen
Moore - Santini
Lovejoy

Man that's a Charmin soft D

 

[Zippy316]

At this point, I'm getting the feeling that the Devils aren't going to be able to capitalize on the ED.

Vegas seems to be undercutting the ED with all these little side deals (as they should) and are likely going to accumulate a lot of prospects/picks because of it.

Devils best bet was being able to get to these teams like CBJ and ANA first or offering up picks/prospects to Vegas for someone the picked. With deals like (supposedly) #24 + prospect + Clarkson going down between CBJ/VEG, it seems like Vegas is going to get better pieces than we can even give up.

 

[NJDevs26]

T-7 hours till the roster freeze. Glad it'll at least be over before 5 PM since I'll be out for the night

 

[Devils Dominion]

At this point, I'm getting the feeling that the Devils aren't going to be able to capitalize on the ED.

Vegas seems to be undercutting the ED with all these little side deals (as they should) and are likely going to accumulate a lot of prospects/picks because of it.

Devils best bet was being able to get to these teams like CBJ and ANA first or offering up picks/prospects to Vegas for someone the picked. With deals like (supposedly) #24 + prospect + Clarkson going down between CBJ/VEG, it seems like Vegas is going to get better pieces than we can even give up.

If we don't and if Kovy decides to stay in Russia another season, those are two huge missed opportunities to improve the team.

 

[Cheddabombs]

I think it's easier for teams, especially contending teams with more to protect, to trade away picks and futures so that Vegas doesn't take certain players than it is to actually trade those players for proper value. There's still time left but it looks like Vegas is holding all the cards

 

[HBK27]

I think it's easier for teams, especially contending teams with more to protect, to trade away picks and futures so that Vegas doesn't take certain players than it is to actually trade those players for proper value. There's still time left but it looks like Vegas is holding all the cards

Yeah, definitely won't get proper value from another team as it bumps down the list of who they have to protect and exposes a better player. Vegas is also smart to cut as many deals as possible, but also hearing that teams like Minnesota and Nashville don't have a deal in place, so this likely goes down to the wire. They probably try to work something out with Vegas first, but have another deal with a different team on the backburner in case Vegas won't flinch.