drax0s
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I've actually liked his passing a lot from what I've seen of him, but his skating seems like it definitely needs work. He also seems super tentative, which is likely confidence.
Justin Schultz got a 3rd round pick at the TDL the year he was an absolute disaster for the Oilers. Baertschi would easily garner a 2nd, IMO. Hell, UFA Lee Stempniak got a 2nd and a 4th.A 2nd round pick is not “complete crap”. Tbh it’s debatable if you could get a 2nd back for Baertschi today and he’s actually improved from the time of the trade.
Really? Harder to armchair QB? You're likening the pressures of running a multimillion dollar business to critiquing from a hockey message board? Derided over and over again for years? You're being melodramatic here, you can basically spew any nonsense you want on here and if repeated often enough, before long you'll get a following that regards it as fact. There's no pressure at all except as a figment of your imagination. Benning's boss holds his feet to the fire. Have you and others here taken it upon yourself to hold Benning accountable because the press isn't doing it's job? Very noble.
Of course fans are limited in the information they have, that's why a lot of posts are nothing but speculation at best and bs at worst.
Not going to get into arguing about MS and his high 'hit' frequency over the years.
Glad that we agree on Pouliot. I like what I've seen so far.
Justin Schultz got a 3rd round pick at the TDL the year he was an absolute disaster for the Oilers. Baertschi would easily garner a 2nd, IMO. Hell, UFA Lee Stempniak got a 2nd and a 4th.
I disagree with the statement in bold. A "serviceable regular" can be had on a bottom-pairing salary, or be claimed off of waivers. Wiercioch can be a serviceable regular. He can be used as a #6 Dman. Biega can be argued to be a serviceable regular. If that's the absolute height Pouliot is able to achieve, then that trade is most definitely not a "win". It would be the equivalent of paying a 4th round pick for a bottom pairing Dman at the deadline -- and few tend to think of those trades as good value deals.
On 20 points vs 25 points: You are effectively arguing for no reason. A 5 point variance over an 82 game sample is more attributable to luck than innate ability. It's not a hill to die on.
Pouliot being serviceable doesn’t make this a win. You can get serviceable defenseman for free off of waivers.
I'm not 'boasting' and never bring up my track record here except when someone says 'yeah, you don't know what you're talking about because you were wrong on Granlund!' or something like that. And when someone does, yeah, I'm going to defend myself.
You're pointlessly arguing semantics about a +/- 5 points projection because you don't like me.
People were impressed with Pouliot? He looked terrible to me. Got Stecher rocked with an ill advised pass, completely killed a play by missing a saucer pass. Really don't see a big difference in Weircioch and him that's worth a 4th except #pedigree
It certainly is an improvement for trading for a #5 guy for a recently drafted 1st round pick + high 2nd round pick.Times have changed. A "bottom pairing" Dman who is a regular in your lineup is worth a 4th round pick, especially at the deadline. Actually, it was worth a 4th round pick in years past. We acquired Andrew Alberts for a 3rd. I think that was a good trade at the time and still do now. I think the term "serviceable" is a bit ambiguous.
Might want to refresh your memory. You frequently bring up your track record. That's fine. You can boast all you want. For me, being wrong doesn't mean you don't know what you're talking about. I am of the opinion that you clearly do. You see what you see. I also think Benning is a better scout than you are but that's another discussion altogether.
No. You argued that Pouliot needs to put up 25 points in order for the trade to be a win when last season no Dman on the Canucks put up 25 points. The year before only 1. The year before that? Only 1. The year before that? Guess what? Only 1. So in the last 4 seasons, only one Dman put up 25 points or more on the Canucks on average. Yet you expect Pouliot to put up 25 points in 3rd pairing minutes with 2nd unit PP time without the need for this team to be one of the top offensive teams and or the scoring increasing.
I think I made good points that you cannot counter. If you think that's pointlessly arguing semantics, then so be it.
Which Dman on the Canucks looked impressive to you in the Boston loss..?Fan you seem like the type who likes the sound of his own voice
People were impressed with Pouliot? He looked terrible to me. Got Stecher rocked with an ill advised pass, completely killed a play by missing a saucer pass. Really don't see a big difference in Weircioch and him that's worth a 4th except #pedigree
Which Dman on the Canucks looked impressive to you in the Boston loss..?
Really,...?..I thought Tanev was equally as bad as Hutton when the PK imploded on the major to Guddy...Anyway,more to the point from the other poster,I don't think you single out Pouliot as having a terrible game (considering his circumstances,he's played a solid game).Tanev was good although maybe not as good as usual and Stecher's last 40 minutes were his best hockey this season.
Really,...?..I thought Tanev was equally as bad as Hutton when the PK imploded on the major to Guddy...Anyway,more to the point from the other poster,I don't think you single out Pouliot as having a terrible game (considering his circumstances,he's played a solid game).
Really,...?..I thought Tanev was equally as bad as Hutton when the PK imploded on the major to Guddy...Anyway,more to the point from the other poster,I don't think you single out Pouliot as having a terrible game (considering his circumstances,he's played a solid game).
Times have changed. A "bottom pairing" Dman who is a regular in your lineup is worth a 4th round pick, especially at the deadline. Actually, it was worth a 4th round pick in years past. We acquired Andrew Alberts for a 3rd. I think that was a good trade at the time and still do now. I think the term "serviceable" is a bit ambiguous. What I mean is a Dman who isn't a guy you regularly scratch (i.e. not a fringe NHL Dman who will pass through waivers easily).
I ended up bringing it up more than I'd like because of these stupid 'WELL YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT GRANLUND SO YOU'LL BE WRONG ABOUT THIS!' posts and it's really the only way to respond.
Times haven't changed relative value. You could argue that Benning has changed expectations to the point where people are accepting mediocre moves as good moves, but I know you would not do that...
Deadline prices are inflated. You know that don't you?
Even a bottom pair Dman that plays regularly is not worth a pick in most cases.
Pouliot looks like a bit of a tire fire to me in his own end. Against Buffalo he made 2 terrible plays, that led to high scoring chances...1 may have even led to a goal, can't remember.
He's like a Cam Barker back there. Doesn't have a clue and is afraid to get hit.