Value of: Danault + Lehkonen to Avs

[Cousin Eddie]

Why would an elite defensive C (top10 in tue league possibly) who can score 50pts a season not be worth a late 1st and a prospect?

You do not get Danault to score. You get him so you do jot have to matchup Mack to the other team's top line. Danault shuts them down, Mack can score.

1st 2022 + Bower or Barron, anything less and it's just not worth it, and Habs will jist wait post ED to sign himback

Yeah it’s not like Kadri already does that or anything.

 

[Not The One]

can Danault score 42 goals lol ?

Can a 36 year-old Staal score 42 goals? And more seriously, can he replace Danault on the PK or DZ face-offs?

 

[Techcoockie]

Can a 36 year-old Staal score 42 goals? And more seriously, can he replace Danault on the PK or DZ face-offs?

no and no, he is a PP and Ozone specialist.

 

[Richard88]

Why would an elite defensive C (top10 in tue league possibly) who can score 50pts a season not be worth a late 1st and a prospect?

You do not get Danault to score. You get him so you do jot have to matchup Mack to the other team's top line. Danault shuts them down, Mack can score.

1st 2022 + Bower or Barron, anything less and it's just not worth it, and Habs will jist wait post ED to sign himback

2021 1st + Bowers/Timmins is probably as high as you'll get from the Avs. Sakic has never traded a 1st though so even that idea is questionable.

 

[Mersss]

2021 1st + Bowers/Timmins is probably as high as you'll get from the Avs. Sakic has never traded a 1st though so even that idea is questionable.

No to the 2021 1st rd pick.
2022, 2023, Habs are not interested in the 2021 draft

 

[Avaholic29]

No to the 2021 1st rd pick.
2022, 2023, Habs are not interested in the 2021 draft

Mr bergevin, is that you?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

No to the 2021 1st rd pick.
2022, 2023, Habs are not interested in the 2021 draft

Habs: Have gathered 12 draft picks for the 2021 draft.

Habs fan on HFBoards: Habs have no interest in the 2021 draft

 

[Avaholic29]

Habs: Have gathered 12 draft picks for the 2021 draft.

Habs fan on HFBoards: Habs have no interest in the 2021 draft

Habs fans on Hf are a different kind of breed.

 

[Mersss]

Habs: Have gathered 12 draft picks for the 2021 draft.

Habs fan on HFBoards: Habs have no interest in the 2021 draft

That's the thing, we already have 12 picks. No need to add other picks in this draft

 

[Hasbro]

His choice is basically -

Waive for the expansion draft, and most likely spend the rest of his contract with the Avs, since Seattle should pick Graves.

or

Play hardball, force Sakic to make tough choices, and potentially end up getting traded somewhere he doesn't want to be with no chance at the Cup. Or bought out.


Why would he choose to pick a fight he's not going to win, rather than going with the win-win situation?

Cause he’s get all butthurt about being asked to waive. Duh!

 

[IdontSpitOnTheIce]

If we can figure out a way to do 12 draft picks in 2021 + cap dumps for McKinnon, then I’m interested.

 

[Perratrooper]

It's very crazy. Danault is a 2nd line centre, Graves is a 3rd pairing defensemen.

Danault is a UFA on pace for just under 40 points in an 82 game season and while he is considered to be a great shut down player, I don’t think that pace dictates a second line center this year. However I agree that he’s a better player than Graves and has in the past played as a second line center. A trade comparable would be Stastny from a few seasons ago (first, prospect and a fourth).

Now Graves might be a third pairing defenseman on Colorado, but not many teams have the LHD depth that the Avs have. I would argue that while he’s having a bit of a down year compared to his rookie year, he’s a 4/5 with term on a reasonable contract. I would personally make the argument that his value is comparable to Brady Skjei, where as he might not be quite as good as Skeji, but is on a more reasonable contract and is younger than Skeji. Other examples albeit better players that are older with less term were Martinez (two seconds) and Muzzin (first and two prospects). Graves is younger, has shown that he has top4 capability and is signed for 2 more seasons after this at just under $3.2mil.

So while you might think the gap between these values of these two players is way off, I still don’t think it’s a crazy starting point.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If we can figure out a way to do 12 draft picks in 2021 + cap dumps for McKinnon, then I’m interested.

I invite you back to your cave for the next 10 years.

 

[dahrougem2]

Danault is a UFA on pace for just under 40 points in an 82 game season and while he is considered to be a great shut down player, I don’t think that pace dictates a second line center this year. However I agree that he’s a better player than Graves and has in the past played as a second line center. A trade comparable would be Stastny from a few seasons ago (first, prospect and a fourth).

Now Graves might be a third pairing defenseman on Colorado, but not many teams have the LHD depth that the Avs have. I would argue that while he’s having a bit of a down year compared to his rookie year, he’s a 4/5 with term on a reasonable contract. I would personally make the argument that his value is comparable to Brady Skjei, where as he might not be quite as good as Skeji, but is on a more reasonable contract and is younger than Skeji. Other examples albeit better players that are older with less term were Martinez (two seconds) and Muzzin (first and two prospects). Graves is younger, has shown that he has top4 capability and is signed for 2 more seasons after this at just under $3.2mil.

So while you might think the gap between these values of these two players is way off, I still don’t think it’s a crazy starting point.

No. Anyone that watches Ryan Graves will be able to tell immediately that he is nothing more than a 5/6 defensemen. He's a #4 on a really bad team, sure. But he is a 3rd pairing defensemen through and through.

 

[Perratrooper]

No. Anyone that watches Ryan Graves will be able to tell immediately that he is nothing more than a 5/6 defensemen. He's a #4 on a really bad team, sure. But he is a 3rd pairing defensemen through and through.

He was a #4 on our team last season and didn’t look out of place, I think this year he’s struggled as he’s been asked to carry the bottom pairing with AHL level defenders. He’s been paired with a mix of Pateryn, Renouf, Gilbert and Timmins, with Byram the only player I would consider a legit NHL player.

 

[glenbuis]

I actually like graves but with edmundson, Weber , kulak and even chariot we need a different type of defenseman. More offensive, and not defensive. Maybe someone can start a thread for hampus lindholm

 

[General Disarray]

I will never understand how no one else offered more than 2 2nd round picks.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Cause he’s get all butthurt about being asked to waive. Duh!

Oh yeah, I forgot that all professional athletes are expected to act like petulant children when it comes to dealing with the business side of the sport. I was assuming it would be a cordial conversation between Sakic and EJ's agent, with them both understanding that it's a business and that waiving his NMC for the expansion draft gives him a better chance at potentially getting his name on the Cup as a member of the Avs. My mistake.

 

[Hasbro]

Oh yeah, I forgot that all professional athletes are expected to act like petulant children when it comes to dealing with the business side of the sport.

It’s a SMACK IN THE FACE!