OT: Covid-19 (Part 52) Meet the New Year, same as the Old Year

[cajmonkey]

Unless someone has a proven medical condition creating lack of vaccination tolerance - the decision to not get vaccinated is not only ignorant but stupidity at its highest level.

Playing Russian roulette with one’s life is the utmost selfish play one can make. Its akin to saying suicide effects no one by me…

If you say so.

 

[cajmonkey]

No, we were talking about the mutation that became omicron. Vaccinated people weren’t as susceptible to catching it let alone spreading it. The mutations have happened in largely unvaccinated countries.

There’s nothing ‘informed’ about not taking a vaccine.

Sure it would.

If anything though, counting a patient with a broken leg who’s got Covid is more likely to result in skewing the vaccinated hospital numbers.

More like 2/3rds of hospitalizations are unvaxed. Look at Ontario’s latest numbers: 70 percent are unvaxed or partially vaxed.

There are definitely informed people who have chosen not to get vaccinated.

And yes, those vaccinated people who broke their legs and then tested positive are skewing the numbers. The skewing is my problem, not which way the numbers are leaning.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

There are definitely informed people who have chosen not to get vaccinated.

Elaborate. And please don't get into the immocompromised who doctors would advise not to take the shot.

 

[cajmonkey]

Elaborate. And please don't get into the immocompromised who doctors would advise not to take the shot.

Some healthy young men that have recovered from covid have weighed the benefits of the supposed extra protection that comes from vaccination vs their own healthy natural immunity.

They looked at the data, and felt that it's not conclusive long-term evidence. They have gone through a multitude of other health issues in their life and have determined that for them, their body is great at protecting itself and they don't require the protection given by the vaccines.

I didn't spend my life in their body so I can't say whether or not they are correct or not, I can only accept that after looking into the matter at length, they chose what they feel is best for their body. They may be scientists or doctors themselves. They may be specialists in the field.

But I can guarantee you that educated people that are informed on the matter have chosen not to get vaccinated. I know some. And just because you dismiss their opinion on the matter, or everyone here as a group dismisses their opinion on the matter, doesn't mean they're misinformed.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Some healthy young men that have recovered from covid have weighed the benefits of the supposed extra protection that comes from vaccination vs their own healthy natural immunity.

How about people who haven't been infected? What information do they have that we don't?

But I can guarantee you that educated people that are informed on the matter have chosen not to get vaccinated. I know some. And just because you dismiss their opinion on the matter, or everyone here as a group dismisses their opinion on the matter, doesn't mean they're misinformed.

What is their reasoning? What do they know that everyone else doesn't?

Btw, they aren't 'misinformed' because of the opinions on here, they're misinformed because they are ignoring the data.

 

[MXD]

How would you translate Premier Trudeau's describing everybody's favourite traveling influencers?

I got "Vacationing ostrogothic dumbf***s"

Which is the right amount of culture for the prime minister and the right amount of piss & vinegar for the citizen.

World leaders are all out of f***s to give about their ilk, it looks like. Legault's veiled "f*** YOU" last week, Macron's comments yesterday, Trudeau and his ostrogoths today...

Legault got his licks in on the Ostrogoths indirectly too. They tried booking Air Transat to come back. The Legault-founded Air Transat that's still full of people he put there. Guess how that ended.

... I really wanna hear that Trudeau soundbite.

I would've prefered "Vandals" to "Ostrogoths" honestly, just for the awesome double entendre.

EDIT : Okay, I just did. He did say "ostrago(th)", which sounded partly like an insect, partly like a veggie. But, whatever. Didn't expect that word to be used as an insult in 2022.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

It's not ignorance and superstition. Some people are making an informed choice about their personal health.

How is that any different than the people that believe earth is flat? They just choose the information that fit their beliefs and ignore all the rest. Random info from twitter, youtube or reddit doesn't count as being informed. Not all information as equal value,

I mean, at first I can somewhat understand people being a bit scared of the vaccine but 1+ year after we started vaccinating people (meaning around 2 years of testing have been done at this point)? There isn't any argument to be made against the vaccine outside of the rare, serious medical condition.

 

[cajmonkey]

How is that any different than the people that believe earth is flat? They just choose the information that fit their beliefs and ignore all the rest. Random info from twitter, youtube or reddit doesn't count as being informed. Not all information as equal value,

I mean, at first I can somewhat understand people being a bit scared of the vaccine but 1+ year after we started vaccinating people (meaning around 2 years of testing have been done at this point)? There isn't any argument to be made against the vaccine outside of the rare, serious medical condition.

If you say so.

Keep belittling intelligent healthy people by throwing out twitter/youtube/reddit strawmen or saying they're scared.

 

[OnTheRun]

Some healthy young men that have recovered from covid have weighed the benefits of the supposed extra protection that comes from vaccination vs their own healthy natural immunity.

They looked at the data, and felt that it's not conclusive long-term evidence. They have gone through a multitude of other health issues in their life and have determined that for them, their body is great at protecting itself and they don't require the protection given by the vaccines.

I didn't spend my life in their body so I can't say whether or not they are correct or not, I can only accept that after looking into the matter at length, they chose what they feel is best for their body. They may be scientists or doctors themselves. They may be specialists in the field.

But I can guarantee you that educated people that are informed on the matter have chosen not to get vaccinated. I know some. And just because you dismiss their opinion on the matter, or everyone here as a group dismisses their opinion on the matter, doesn't mean they're misinformed.

That's pretty ironic when covid itself can become a comorbidity. The damn thing is documented to cause damage in key organs like the brain, lungs, kidneys, heart and can also evolve into a chronic disease after an asymptomatic or mild infection. And once again, vaccination reduces the risk.

Being healthy is great, staying healthy is even better.

 

[Milhouse40]

Some healthy young men that have recovered from covid have weighed the benefits of the supposed extra protection that comes from vaccination vs their own healthy natural immunity.

They looked at the data, and felt that it's not conclusive long-term evidence. They have gone through a multitude of other health issues in their life and have determined that for them, their body is great at protecting itself and they don't require the protection given by the vaccines.

I didn't spend my life in their body so I can't say whether or not they are correct or not, I can only accept that after looking into the matter at length, they chose what they feel is best for their body. They may be scientists or doctors themselves. They may be specialists in the field.

But I can guarantee you that educated people that are informed on the matter have chosen not to get vaccinated. I know some. And just because you dismiss their opinion on the matter, or everyone here as a group dismisses their opinion on the matter, doesn't mean they're misinformed.

Well, why not take the vaccine....even if they don't get any other protection?
Answer: They are scared of the vaccine

They are simply scared cause that's why they are even hesitating, they think the vaccine might be dangerous to them. That's the disinformation at work

 

[Kriss E]

Well, why not take the vaccine....even if they don't get any other protection?
Answer: They are scared of the vaccine

They are simply scared cause that's why they are even hesitating, they think the vaccine might be dangerous to them. That's the disinformation at work

Not necessarily. I know a few people who don't want it because they just don't think the government knows wtf they're doing so they don't want to follow the directives.

 

[Deebs]

If you say so.

Keep belittling intelligent healthy people by throwing out twitter/youtube/reddit strawmen or saying they're scared.

So who are these people, do you have some names for us that we might know of?

 

[cajmonkey]

Well, why not take the vaccine....even if they don't get any other protection?
Answer: They are scared of the vaccine

They are simply scared cause that's why they are even hesitating, they think the vaccine might be dangerous to them. That's the disinformation at work

Nice conflation between fear and personal choice and maybe even wisdom.

Since the beginning, some posters here have been allowed to claim, without proof, that others are "scared" of the vaccines when choosing not to get one. Basic bully tactic.

 

[Crusher117]

Same thing happening here, I wonder if that influenced the curfew decision. With a curfew in place, you don't need as much police working the night shifts.

The Omicron wave is such a different pandemic from the last 2, many industries are having the same issues. A bunch of chickens had to be put down due to lack of staff at Olymel last week.

 

[Deebs]

 

[Crusher117]

Wow, that's a big decision to take. Guess if you can't work remote, you gotta get vaxxed or lose your job. Intense but enough is enough.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

If you say so.

Keep belittling intelligent healthy people by throwing out twitter/youtube/reddit strawmen or saying they're scared.

So we should just put on a equal foot everything we hear on the internet? Every opinion is equal no matter what arguments back them?

Can people be wrong about stuff sometimes? Why isn't this one of those cases?

 

[MasterD]

How is that any different than the people that believe earth is flat? They just choose the information that fit their beliefs and ignore all the rest. Random info from twitter, youtube or reddit doesn't count as being informed. Not all information as equal value,

I mean, at first I can somewhat understand people being a bit scared of the vaccine but 1+ year after we started vaccinating people (meaning around 2 years of testing have been done at this point)? There isn't any argument to be made against the vaccine outside of the rare, serious medical condition.

YouTube and Twitter and Reddit and Facebook are publishing platforms. LaPresse publishes there, the CDC publishes there, doctors publish there, Christian Dubé publishes there... That argument is worthless.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If you say so.

Keep belittling intelligent healthy people by throwing out twitter/youtube/reddit strawmen or saying they're scared.

Are all opinions equal?

If I argue that Tie Domi was better than Gretzky, don't you have the right to challenge that opinion?

Nice conflation between fear and personal choice and maybe even wisdom.

Since the beginning, some posters here have been allowed to claim, without proof, that others are "scared" of the vaccines when choosing not to get one. Basic bully tactic.

Show us how it's wise to decline a medicine designed to protect you from a virus that's killed millions of people. I don't see it. Where is the 'wisdom' in this decision?

There will always be exceptions to the rule of course. For some, the vaccine simply isn't an option. Everyone gets that. But the vast majority of the unvaccinated talk about everything from 'control', to 'fear' to natural immunity... it's a hodge podge of misinformation. There's no wisdom in closing your eyes to the data.

For some (the true believers that vaccines are a corporate conspiracy - and there are many) the beliefs are genuine. What bothers me though are the people who know better and still spread misinformation online. And what's really reprehensible are the political leaders who've taken the vaccine themselves who then go out and discredit it.

It's become politicized. If it weren't, many more would have gotten the shots. Getting vaccinated is common sense.

 

[GrandBison]

Are all opinions equal?

If I argue that Tie Domi was better than Gretzky, don't you have the right to challenge that opinion?

It would be more like you argue that Wayne Gretzky was a professional baseball player.

 

[Milhouse40]

Not necessarily. I know a few people who don't want it because they just don't think the government knows wtf they're doing so they don't want to follow the directives.

Well...basically they don't do it because they are afraid of the government?
Same thing for me. They are afraid of something that makes them refuse the vaccine

 

[Milhouse40]

Nice conflation between fear and personal choice and maybe even wisdom.

Since the beginning, some posters here have been allowed to claim, without proof, that others are "scared" of the vaccines when choosing not to get one. Basic bully tactic.

You mean like all those who keeps coming here since day 1 to tell us that we should stop living in fear....that we are scared of the virus?

I think it include you.

But many people have unrational fear of something, in fact most people do.....planes, bees, heights, elevator, germs, spiders, dogs, you name it. It's not a weakness for me, it is a weakness to not admit it and try to rationalize it with anything you can.

 

[Milhouse40]

 

[PhysicX]

I'm in agreement with this.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

YouTube and Twitter and Reddit and Facebook are publishing platforms. LaPresse publishes there, the CDC publishes there, doctors publish there, Christian Dubé publishes there... That argument is worthless.

I should have specified: random accounts on those platforms.