Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] F Nathan MacKinnon signs extension with the Avalanche (8 years, $12.6M AAV)

[TomppaKoo]

Anyone claiming this is a bad deal aren’t factoring in the coming inflation. Mackinnon is the 4th or 5th best forward, really in that second tier right below McDavid alone. That calibre of player is today worth AT LEAST 12.6 million today on the open market

Johnny B Good signed for 9,75 M
HubyDuby signed for 10,5 M

Both as UFAs in new teams...

 

[Avsboy]

Johnny B Good signed for 9,75 M
HubyDuby signed for 10,5 M

Both as UFAs in new teams...

Mack is better, younger

 

[Shark Finn]

I guess they're done winning cups.

He's arguably not even the best player on his team and they never made it anywhere in the playoffs until they assembled really good depth that they already couldn't afford to keep (Kadri). You'd think both the Avs and MacKinnon would know this is the end of them being a contender.

Maybe... But they won the Cup. That's all matters for now.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

When was the last time a player got anywhere close to max contract?

He might “sell seats” but basically no one can afford a max contract and ice a Cup contending team

They don’t need to be a cup contender with Mackinnon jersey sales. I guarantee Arizona would give him a max contract just for the Jersey sale revenue. No player has signed a max contract but no player as good as Mackinnon has left as a UFA. John Tavares was offered 7 years at 13 million years ago by San Jose just imagine what Mackinnon would be offered.

 

[nbwingsfan]

They don’t need to be a cup contender with Mackinnon jersey sales. I guarantee Arizona would give him a max contract just for the Jersey sale revenue. No player has signed a max contract but no player as good as Mackinnon has left as a UFA. John Tavares was offered 7 years at 13 million years ago by San Jose just imagine what Mackinnon would be offered.

JT of 2017 was viewed as a top 5C back then by many.

And no I really don’t believe Arizona or anyone would be offering that, essentially handcuffing your team for 5-6 years.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

JT of 2017 was viewed as a top 5C back then by many.

And no I really don’t believe Arizona or anyone would be offering that, essentially handcuffing your team for 5-6 years.

I dissagree but there is no way to prove it anyways

 

[DallasGaume]

Johnny B Good signed for 9,75 M
HubyDuby signed for 10,5 M

Both as UFAs in new teams...

Career playoffs stats:

Gaudreau - 33 pts in 42 games (-11)
Huberdeau - 21 pts in 26 games (-1)
MacKinnon - 93 pts in 70 games (+26)

And MacKinnon is also two years younger than both those guys.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Johnny B Good signed for 9,75 M
HubyDuby signed for 10,5 M

Both as UFAs in new teams...

Um.......those guys aren't close to McKinnon's level. Not sure what point you are trying to make?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Johnny B Good signed for 9,75 M
HubyDuby signed for 10,5 M

Both as UFAs in new teams...

And neither of them is as good as Nathan MacKinnon. So, I'm not understanding your point here.

 

[TomppaKoo]

Um.......those guys aren't close to McKinnon's level. Not sure what point you are trying to make?

I was responding to this comment:

Anyone claiming this is a bad deal aren’t factoring in the coming inflation. Mackinnon is the 4th or 5th best forward, really in that second tier right below McDavid alone. That calibre of player is today worth AT LEAST 12.6 million today on the open market

If you are saying Johnny B Good and HubyDuby are not same calibre players as Nate dog, you are simply wrong. Nate is flashy and brings more entertainment to the game than those two and has earned every penny he got, but to say he is clearly better than them is a fan boy comment.

Player	Season	Team	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-
Connor McDavid	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	44​	79​	123​	28​
Jonathan Huberdeau	20212022​	FLA	L	C	80​	30​	85​	115​	35​
Johnny Gaudreau	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	40​	75​	115​	64​
Leon Draisaitl	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	55​	55​	110​	17​
Kirill Kaprizov	20212022​	MIN	L	L	81​	47​	61​	108​	27​
Auston Matthews	20212022​	TOR	L	C	73​	60​	46​	106​	20​
Steven Stamkos	20212022​	TBL	R	C	81​	42​	64​	106​	24​
Matthew Tkachuk	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	42​	62​	104​	57​
J.T. Miller	20212022​	VAN	L	C	80​	32​	67​	99​	15​
Mitchell Marner	20212022​	TOR	R	R	72​	35​	62​	97​	23​
Artemi Panarin	20212022​	NYR	R	L	75​	22​	74​	96​	21​
Roman Josi	20212022​	NSH	L	D	80​	23​	73​	96​	13​
Kyle Connor	20212022​	WPG	L	L	79​	47​	46​	93​	-3​
Mikko Rantanen	20212022​	COL	L	R	75​	36​	56​	92​	35​
Patrick Kane	20212022​	CHI	L	R	78​	26​	66​	92​	-19​
Alex Ovechkin	20212022​	WSH	R	L	77​	50​	40​	90​	8​
Nathan MacKinnon	20212022​	COL	R	C	65​	32​	56​	88​	22​

 

[nbwingsfan]

I dissagree but there is no way to prove it anyways

Fair.

I was responding to this comment:

If you are saying Johnny B Good and HubyDuby are not same calibre players as Nate dog, you are simply wrong. Nate is flashy and brings more entertainment to the game than those two and has earned every penny he got, but to say he is clearly better than them is a fan boy comment.

Player	Season	Team	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-
Connor McDavid	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	44​	79​	123​	28​
Jonathan Huberdeau	20212022​	FLA	L	C	80​	30​	85​	115​	35​
Johnny Gaudreau	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	40​	75​	115​	64​
Leon Draisaitl	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	55​	55​	110​	17​
Kirill Kaprizov	20212022​	MIN	L	L	81​	47​	61​	108​	27​
Auston Matthews	20212022​	TOR	L	C	73​	60​	46​	106​	20​
Steven Stamkos	20212022​	TBL	R	C	81​	42​	64​	106​	24​
Matthew Tkachuk	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	42​	62​	104​	57​
J.T. Miller	20212022​	VAN	L	C	80​	32​	67​	99​	15​
Mitchell Marner	20212022​	TOR	R	R	72​	35​	62​	97​	23​
Artemi Panarin	20212022​	NYR	R	L	75​	22​	74​	96​	21​
Roman Josi	20212022​	NSH	L	D	80​	23​	73​	96​	13​
Kyle Connor	20212022​	WPG	L	L	79​	47​	46​	93​	-3​
Mikko Rantanen	20212022​	COL	L	R	75​	36​	56​	92​	35​
Patrick Kane	20212022​	CHI	L	R	78​	26​	66​	92​	-19​
Alex Ovechkin	20212022​	WSH	R	L	77​	50​	40​	90​	8​
Nathan MacKinnon	20212022​	COL	R	C	65​	32​	56​	88​	22​

You’re ignoring games played here.

I’m fine with saying Huberdeau is just as good but Gaudreau isn’t. Look their PPG the last 4 seasons

 

[Patagonia]

I was responding to this comment:

If you are saying Johnny B Good and HubyDuby are not same calibre players as Nate dog, you are simply wrong. Nate is flashy and brings more entertainment to the game than those two and has earned every penny he got, but to say he is clearly better than them is a fan boy comment.

Player	Season	Team	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-
Connor McDavid	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	44​	79​	123​	28​
Jonathan Huberdeau	20212022​	FLA	L	C	80​	30​	85​	115​	35​
Johnny Gaudreau	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	40​	75​	115​	64​
Leon Draisaitl	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	55​	55​	110​	17​
Kirill Kaprizov	20212022​	MIN	L	L	81​	47​	61​	108​	27​
Auston Matthews	20212022​	TOR	L	C	73​	60​	46​	106​	20​
Steven Stamkos	20212022​	TBL	R	C	81​	42​	64​	106​	24​
Matthew Tkachuk	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	42​	62​	104​	57​
J.T. Miller	20212022​	VAN	L	C	80​	32​	67​	99​	15​
Mitchell Marner	20212022​	TOR	R	R	72​	35​	62​	97​	23​
Artemi Panarin	20212022​	NYR	R	L	75​	22​	74​	96​	21​
Roman Josi	20212022​	NSH	L	D	80​	23​	73​	96​	13​
Kyle Connor	20212022​	WPG	L	L	79​	47​	46​	93​	-3​
Mikko Rantanen	20212022​	COL	L	R	75​	36​	56​	92​	35​
Patrick Kane	20212022​	CHI	L	R	78​	26​	66​	92​	-19​
Alex Ovechkin	20212022​	WSH	R	L	77​	50​	40​	90​	8​
Nathan MacKinnon	20212022​	COL	R	C	65​	32​	56​	88​	22​

Nate compared to Hubby and Gaud IHSA leader, played fewer games, plays 1C, more rounded defensively and superior playoff performer. He’s often ranked among the top 5 best overall players in the league for a reason.

Mackinnon contract will be rightly exceeded in a few years by McDavid. Comparable players Matthew, Draisatl etc will be higher so it’s really a non-issue in the coming years.

 

[tucker3434]

I was responding to this comment:

If you are saying Johnny B Good and HubyDuby are not same calibre players as Nate dog, you are simply wrong. Nate is flashy and brings more entertainment to the game than those two and has earned every penny he got, but to say he is clearly better than them is a fan boy comment.

Player	Season	Team	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-
Connor McDavid	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	44​	79​	123​	28​
Jonathan Huberdeau	20212022​	FLA	L	C	80​	30​	85​	115​	35​
Johnny Gaudreau	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	40​	75​	115​	64​
Leon Draisaitl	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	55​	55​	110​	17​
Kirill Kaprizov	20212022​	MIN	L	L	81​	47​	61​	108​	27​
Auston Matthews	20212022​	TOR	L	C	73​	60​	46​	106​	20​
Steven Stamkos	20212022​	TBL	R	C	81​	42​	64​	106​	24​
Matthew Tkachuk	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	42​	62​	104​	57​
J.T. Miller	20212022​	VAN	L	C	80​	32​	67​	99​	15​
Mitchell Marner	20212022​	TOR	R	R	72​	35​	62​	97​	23​
Artemi Panarin	20212022​	NYR	R	L	75​	22​	74​	96​	21​
Roman Josi	20212022​	NSH	L	D	80​	23​	73​	96​	13​
Kyle Connor	20212022​	WPG	L	L	79​	47​	46​	93​	-3​
Mikko Rantanen	20212022​	COL	L	R	75​	36​	56​	92​	35​
Patrick Kane	20212022​	CHI	L	R	78​	26​	66​	92​	-19​
Alex Ovechkin	20212022​	WSH	R	L	77​	50​	40​	90​	8​
Nathan MacKinnon	20212022​	COL	R	C	65​	32​	56​	88​	22​

Costs an extra $2.5m to not disappear when the games matter most I suppose.

 

[ohcomeonref]

You can be happy your player is locked up without pretending this is some amazingly good deal. Some weird takes in here.

 

[Spirits]

JT of 2017 was viewed as a top 5C back then by many.

And no I really don’t believe Arizona or anyone would be offering that, essentially handcuffing your team for 5-6 years.

Arizona won't make any moves until/unless they land Bedard imo.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Over the last 5 years, MacKinnon has the 3rd highest PPG in the NHL (1.31 PPG), behind only McDavid (1.53) and Kucherov (1.38).

Huberdeau's PPG over that time is 1.13. Gaudreau's is 1.09, and that's significantly inflated by a single year. Before their most recent, career best seasons, they were at 1.04 and 1.01 since 2017-18.

They aren't in the same tier. It's not even close.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Over the last 5 years, MacKinnon has the 3rd highest PPG in the NHL (1.31 PPG), behind only McDavid (1.53) and Kucherov (1.38).

Huberdeau's PPG over that time is 1.13. Gaudreau's is 1.09, and that's significantly inflated by a single year. Before their most recent, career best seasons, they were at 1.04 and 1.01 since 2017-18.

They aren't in the same tier. It's not even close.

What’s their overall PPG between 18/19 and now? When Huberdeau broke out. I actually don’t know but I imagine it’s much, much closer.

Injuries past also comes into the equation when it comes to these contracts as well. Mackinnon has been a good bet to miss some games

 

[TomppaKoo]

Fair.


You’re ignoring games played here.

I’m fine with saying Huberdeau is just as good but Gaudreau isn’t. Look their PPG the last 4 seasons

It's going to be Johnny with Laine next year getting all the prime ice time. This will be an interesting revisit.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

What’s their overall PPG between 18/19 and now? When Huberdeau broke out. I actually don’t know but I imagine it’s much, much closer.

Injuries past also comes into the equation when it comes to these contracts as well. Mackinnon has been a good bet to miss some games

MacKinnon 1.29
Huberdeau - 1.12
Gaudreau - 0.99

Still a significant margin. It does get closer as you reduce the sample size, but MacKinnon's sustained dominance is why he deserves more.

 

[TomppaKoo]

Over the last 5 years, MacKinnon has the 3rd highest PPG in the NHL (1.31 PPG), behind only McDavid (1.53) and Kucherov (1.38).

Huberdeau's PPG over that time is 1.13. Gaudreau's is 1.09, and that's significantly inflated by a single year. Before their most recent, career best seasons, they were at 1.04 and 1.01 since 2017-18.

They aren't in the same tier. It's not even close.

What are the numbers for previous season? All the contracts were signed this summer and the only thing that matters is the current ability to perform. I love Nate and he is very entertaining although sometimes frustrating to watch, but to claim he is a tier above from Johnny and Jonathan is a silly take.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

What are the numbers for previous season? All the contracts were signed this summer and the only thing that matters is the current ability to perform. I love Nate and he is very entertaining although sometimes frustrating to watch, but to claim he is a tier above from Johnny and Jonathan is a silly take.

Yes, the contracts were signed this summer. And this summer, MacKinnon is getting sized for his Stanley Cup ring.

He's also scored 1.3 PPG or higher in 4 of the last 5 seasons. The premise that only last season matters, like Huberdeau and Gaudreau will definitely repeat those performances, is just laughable. MacKinnon is a top 5 player in the league, without much question. Huberdeau and Gaudreau aren't even top 10 players. Claiming those are the same tier is the only silly take here.

 

[AvStock]

I was responding to this comment:

If you are saying Johnny B Good and HubyDuby are not same calibre players as Nate dog, you are simply wrong. Nate is flashy and brings more entertainment to the game than those two and has earned every penny he got, but to say he is clearly better than them is a fan boy comment.

Player	Season	Team	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-
Connor McDavid	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	44​	79​	123​	28​
Jonathan Huberdeau	20212022​	FLA	L	C	80​	30​	85​	115​	35​
Johnny Gaudreau	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	40​	75​	115​	64​
Leon Draisaitl	20212022​	EDM	L	C	80​	55​	55​	110​	17​
Kirill Kaprizov	20212022​	MIN	L	L	81​	47​	61​	108​	27​
Auston Matthews	20212022​	TOR	L	C	73​	60​	46​	106​	20​
Steven Stamkos	20212022​	TBL	R	C	81​	42​	64​	106​	24​
Matthew Tkachuk	20212022​	CGY	L	L	82​	42​	62​	104​	57​
J.T. Miller	20212022​	VAN	L	C	80​	32​	67​	99​	15​
Mitchell Marner	20212022​	TOR	R	R	72​	35​	62​	97​	23​
Artemi Panarin	20212022​	NYR	R	L	75​	22​	74​	96​	21​
Roman Josi	20212022​	NSH	L	D	80​	23​	73​	96​	13​
Kyle Connor	20212022​	WPG	L	L	79​	47​	46​	93​	-3​
Mikko Rantanen	20212022​	COL	L	R	75​	36​	56​	92​	35​
Patrick Kane	20212022​	CHI	L	R	78​	26​	66​	92​	-19​
Alex Ovechkin	20212022​	WSH	R	L	77​	50​	40​	90​	8​
Nathan MacKinnon	20212022​	COL	R	C	65​	32​	56​	88​	22​

Always with the regular season bafoonery come back to us when you figure out what happens in the yoffs.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

When was the last time a player got anywhere close to max contract?

He might “sell seats” but basically no one can afford a max contract and ice a Cup contending team

A lot of GMs don't think that far. Selling seats is a huge reason that superstars are really worth more than they get. Max contract in sports is pretty much just because NHLPA wants some level of equity for their players.

 

[Ceremony]

Good thread, this.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If you think it’s too much (it’s not), just average it with Makar’s and now you have both guys making $10.925 million. An exceedingly reasonable number for both.

The idea that this is going sink any further Cup chances is nonsense.