Doomsayers about the TDL on HFAvs have to be feeling like even bugger schmucks by the day,
Massive schmucks.
Massive schmucks.
Confirmed Trade: [COL/BUF] Casey Mittelstadt for Bowen Byram
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milehigh11
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Shoulda got one game in
Byram played great in Calgary last night. Excellent analytics in a nice road win. If Buffalo can acquire more scoring depth at winger, they should make the playoffs next season.
And the Avs have lost 0 games since the trade deadline. They are quite clearly now the NHLs team to beat. And although Mitts played his first poor game for the Avs against Pitt（holy overpassing) but Mitts has otherwise been a brilliant fit.
This trade looks like a great hockey deal.
And the Avs have lost 0 games since the trade deadline. They are quite clearly now the NHLs team to beat. And although Mitts played his first poor game for the Avs against Pitt（holy overpassing) but Mitts has otherwise been a brilliant fit.
This trade looks like a great hockey deal.
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This is an unusual scenario where both teams (so far) have got exactly what was advertised.
Mittelstadt has continued doing what he was doing in Buffalo and Byram is showing his high-end talent.
It is quite enjoyable to see.
While Byram is a very good young talent, he's not the type of player that Buffalo needed. It hasn't exactly worked out for Buffalo...6-6-1 since the trade while their GA and xGA are right back up to around last season's pace. They were 14-10 from Jan 1st until the trade. They needed more two-way responsible play (especially from the FWs), not less of it. Krebs is being forced into a 3C role to justify part of the Eichel trade. He's not ready and won't ever be as good at Mitts at either end of the ice.
Djp
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So, how are BUF and CO fans feeling about the trade now? Mittelstadt has scored 9 pts. in 17 gp, Byram 8. CM mediocre on FO's, playing 16 mins/night. Byram firmly in the top 4, playing 21 min.
The Flying Octopus
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I think it was a pretty dumb decision by the Avs.
Finding top 4D that make impacts like him and for his age, don’t fall from trees. Casey Middelstat, you can find them all over the draft.
Finding top 4D that make impacts like him and for his age, don’t fall from trees. Casey Middelstat, you can find them all over the draft.
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To an extent sure. But they aren't worried about what they can find in the draft, they are worried about what they need to win a Cup right now.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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He wasn't a top 4D nor making an impact on the Avs for about a year and a half, so I'd say it still could be a win-win for each team.
SeanMoneyHands
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I expect Byram to have a very good year next season for Buffalo. He's no doubt their #2 dman.
Mittelstadt will come back down to earth next year and expect no more than 55pts from him. He's a dime a dozen player, nothing special.
Mittelstadt will come back down to earth next year and expect no more than 55pts from him. He's a dime a dozen player, nothing special.
Satoru Gojo
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Sabres were always thinking past this season, depsite what the GM says. I'll wait to see the results of that. Byram didn't/doesn't fit what we need, but he was an elite prospect for a reason, and that talent has definitely shown in spots. He just needs to never again be paired with Jokiharju.
Zman5778
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Byram has decidedly fallen off some since his excellent 2-3-4 game debut. That said, Granato decided to take Byram away from Dahlin and stick him with Jokiharju...........that pairing has NOT done well. Like at all. Problem is, Dahlin/Power have been excellent and Bryson/Clifton have been fine as our 3rd pair.
Really, this trade is about the future for Buffalo. If we stick with Power/Dahlin.....that would likely make Byram/Samuelsson a pair next year -- and Dahlin took flight when he was paired with Sammy.
That said, he does show glimpses every game.....especially on zone exits/defensive zone passing. Dude can be SLICK getting the puck out of the zone or to a forward who should get the puck out of the zone.
StumpyTown
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Not sure Colorado wins this trade as many suggest. Byram was huge for the Avalanche during their Stanley Cup run and is a solid player when healthy. Byram is a solid #2-4 D on almost any team in the league. The only place I think the Avs really win this is if Byram is chronically on IR and Mittlestadt gets much, much better. While I like Mittlestadt he is on a 50-60 point centre which makes him a 2b-3a type of centre. I like this trade for both teams.
bleedgreen
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I don’t get the fuss about “winning” this trade. Both teams got what they wanted and needed. The Avs are about the now and are competing for the cup, they’re ok with maybe Buffalo getting the edge down the road. Sacrificing the future for the now is the reality of a cup winning team. With Byrams injury history there’s also a legit chance he won’t reach his potential.
Mitts has looked great for the Avs and definitely improves an important spot on the team as they go for it again. It doesn’t matter if Mitts settles in to be mid range 50-60 pt 2C, that’s what they need to win more right now. I don’t think anyone for the Avs assumes his explosion this year is what he’s going to be moving forward or that there is a higher offensive ceiling coming.
Both teams got what they needed. Win/win.
Mitts has looked great for the Avs and definitely improves an important spot on the team as they go for it again. It doesn’t matter if Mitts settles in to be mid range 50-60 pt 2C, that’s what they need to win more right now. I don’t think anyone for the Avs assumes his explosion this year is what he’s going to be moving forward or that there is a higher offensive ceiling coming.
Both teams got what they needed. Win/win.
Zman5778
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Ehhhhhhh.
Buffalo didn't "need" Byram. Buffalo needed a top 4 defenseman, yes. Preferably right-handed......but DEFINITELY on the more defensively stout side of things. Byram's skillset is hellaciously and ridiculously redundant given the presence of Dahlin and Power......and to a lesser extent Jokiharju and Ryan Johnson. Yes, Byram has a legit top-pair potential. But we didn't NEED a left-handed, smooth-skating, good-first-pass-making, good-to-great-offensively defenseman who's overtly questionable in his own end.
It legitimately brings into question our GM's ability to build a team. Right now, it looks to a lot of Sabres fans that Adams' idea of team building is to acquire as much talent as possible and then let it all sort itself out. If this were 10 years ago and our rebuild was in its infancy, fine. But we've got a ton of talent and now we need to fine-tune and build a roster. Byram is just yet another high-end talent that's redundant on our blue line.
bleedgreen
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You know your team, I just think these things tend to sort themselves out. Mitts needs a contract and Buffalo didn’t want to be on the hook for that, so they moved him for the highest value they could get. Presumably there wasn’t a righty that was available and made sense. More moves could come, and from a distance I think he did a good job acquiring a strong piece for a guy that likely wasn’t around next year.
9 points in 17 games, terrible at FO and not exactly a shutdown C, what exactly has he looked great at?
I get that they needed a 2c but Byram despite having a so so season I'm sure still has cache around the league and who knows maybe they tried to move him somewhere else but I have to think Kadri could have been had and I get he makes more but won't Mitts be looking for similar money next year?
What about Zegras? I dunno I'm sure Avs fans will attack me but Mitts is a 40-50 point vanilla player and I just don't think he's a 2C on a team with cup aspirations.
Maybe an Avs fan can answer in a non dick way and explain the reasoning why Mitts and if there were any other rumours.
I mean isn't Girard more on a mitts level?
A year ago Avs fans said they felt Byram had more value than Quinn. A ridiculous take of course but his game couldn't have fallen that much that he went from insane takes on his value to mitts 1 for 1?
