Value of: Claude Giroux

[HuGo Sham]

Galchenyuk for Giroux straight up.

Philly get's a bit younger, sheds some salary.

Montreal seems to be a bit more competitive now, could use a #1 C to play with Drouin.

no. montreal isn't doing this

 

[whitstifier]

no. montreal isn't doing this

If that's the cost, they absolutely would.

 

[Tripod]

no. montreal isn't doing this

It is sort of funny that the Flyers 4th best C was a target on Montreal at the deadline and would likely be on Montreal's top line.

I wonder if Filppula would reconsider going to MTL?

 

[hockeyheadlines]

If that's the cost, they absolutely would.

Not a chance. Giroux is 6 years older and has been on a downhill course for the last 5 years, on a horrible contract with term.

 

[IvanProvorov]

Montreal doesn't have any pieces that'd I be interested in besides Drouin.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

I would say he has similarly low value around the league like Weber last year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If that's the cost, they absolutely would.

No deal if Galchenyuk is involved. Flyers would need to add and they won't like what we ask for on top of Giroux. Patch for Giroux ($2M) retained is a solid offer. If the Flyers retain $2M for the last 5 years, I'd even be willing to trade Hudon as well.

Patch & Hudon for Giroux ($2M retained). Flyers create cap space and acquire a great 30+ goal scorer on a great contract. The issue is re signing him but you rid yourselves of a bad contract. Habs are happy with a 60 pts center from age 29-34.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montreal doesn't have any pieces that'd I be interested in besides Drouin.

So if it's not Montreal. Who do you think your getting for Giroux? Show us a proposal?

 

[Scotty Pucks]

Claude will be back up to 70 pts next year, at least. And in Philly, too.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Claude will be back up to 70 pts next year, at least. And in Philly, too.

After hip surgery, his salary and regressing play? Of course he'll be in Philadelphia.

 

[Accelleratii]

Giroux was incredibly productive when flanked by larger wingers. Remember how dominant the line of Jagr Giroux and Hartnell was? A team with that kind of size up front could find themselves with a rejuvenated player, potentially achieving point per game production once again. The Flyers are the smallest team in the league. I don't think slipping production from their undersized centerman is a coincidence.

But that contract....

You have to figure a team who is SO close to the cup would be willing to add a 1B center with 1A potential. What would it take? Hextall loves his first round picks. Absolutely adores them. I would say a 1st and a top 6 player with lower cap and term cooking back.

But that contract!

A one for one swap might also be required because of Giroux's bloated hit and term. Either way,the return will be less than what it should be because of that contract and the only teams willing to take a chance would be the desperate ones, whose window might be nearing an end.

 

[Fugazy]

Claude will be back up to 70 pts next year, at least. And in Philly, too.

Not sure I can get on board with that.

 

[TheWolfOfBroadStreet]

Not sure I can get on board with that.

I dont think its that unrealistic, I see him between 65-75 pts. He has a better team around him, is not injured and is still running the PP. 58 on a down year, is 15 more points really that hard to imagine?

 

[Makaveli XI]

Pacioretty?

No thanks.

What is your reasoning? I figuered some people would be interested in this.
Pacioretty at nearly half of Giroux's salary. Although, Patch deserves a big increase at the end of this contract. Pacioretty is an elite goal scorer, that's without playing with a number 1/2 Center.
Philly should still be in good shape at Center if they made this deal....

Pacioretty Patrick Simmonds
Konecny Couturier Voracek

 

[Juicy Pop]

Not a chance. Giroux is 6 years older and has been on a downhill course for the last 5 years, on a horrible contract with term.

And MTL desperately needs a center because they have an aging core with a bare cupboard. It's either make a splash, willfully rebuild or slowly fade into a rebuild at this point.

 

[HammerTime44]

I hope the Flyers put Lindblom on Giroux's line so I can see those two dominate.

 

[Makaveli XI]

It is sort of funny that the Flyers 4th best C was a target on Montreal at the deadline and would likely be on Montreal's top line.

I wonder if Filppula would reconsider going to MTL?

Who was the 4th best Center? I didn't get a chance to watch much of Philly because they didn't make the playoffs...kind of funny with that all star roster.

 

[TheWolfOfBroadStreet]

What is your reasoning? I figuered some people would be interested in this.
Pacioretty at nearly half of Giroux's salary. Although, Patch deserves a big increase at the end of this contract. Pacioretty is an elite goal scorer, that's without playing with a number 1/2 Center.
Philly should still be in good shape at Center if they made this deal....

Pacioretty Patrick Simmonds
Konecny Couturier Voracek

I dont think it is smart to pencil in Patrick as the 1c. Philly finally has the ability to roll 4 lines with capable centers, it makes 0 sense to trade anyone right now. Our young guys behind Patrick are not ready yet either (Rubstov, Vrobyov, Frost, Laberge)

Hammer, I am pretty confident in saying Lindblom will be the LW on Giroux's line.

 

[Tripod]

Claude will be back up to 70 pts next year, at least. And in Philly, too.

60-70 is a realistic expectation.

And I have no issue saying he is overpaid. Because he was paid 3.75 million while having 2 top 3 finishes in points and 2 top 4 finishes in Hart voting, he was underpaid. This contract was fair based in what he had done, his underpayment, and where his production was when he signed it.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

And MTL desperately needs a center because they have an aging core with a bare cupboard. It's either make a splash, willfully rebuild or slowly fade into a rebuild at this point.

We're not looking to make a splash. Giroux is not a realistic target for us. He's overpaid, under performing and the ask is nonsensical.

Let's move on shall we?

 

[Tripod]

Who was the 4th best Center? I didn't get a chance to watch much of Philly because they didn't make the playoffs...kind of funny with that all star roster.

Filppula is likely the 4th C on the Flyers this coming season....but was a target in a Montreal at the deadline. Philly will likely move him to wing for this season, but in Montreal, he would likely be on the 1st line.

I was just saying, I wonder if he would re-consider MTL because he told them no at the deadline. Not sure why?

 

[whitstifier]

Who was the 4th best Center? I didn't get a chance to watch much of Philly because they didn't make the playoffs...kind of funny with that all star roster.

Tripod meant 4th best center now, behind Giroux, Couturier and Patrick. Montreal tried to acquire Filppula last TDL.

 

[whitstifier]

We're not looking to make a splash. Giroux is not a realistic target for us. He's overpaid, under performing and the ask is nonsensical.

Let's move on shall we?

Sure, how about Galchenyuk and a second for two 2018 1sts?

 

[Makaveli XI]

Tripod meant 4th best center now, behind Giroux, Couturier and Patrick. Montreal tried to acquire Filppula last TDL.

That was an attempt to plug a hole last minute. Habs have great depth on the wing and would likely trade Galchenyuk or Pacioretty for a real number 1/2 Center.

 

[TheWolfOfBroadStreet]

Older, less productive players usually turn it arpund in their 30s. Everyone knows this. Duh.

Heres a question for you. We trade Andy MacDonald to another team for whatever, do we trade Giroux for Andy MacDonald back to offset there negative trade values?

Edit: Makaveli, I think he would still be your #1/#2