Confirmed Trade: [CHI/DET] Tomas Jurco for 2017 3rd round pick

[Doug Gilmour]

I think Jurco can score some goals on a line that can help carry him. I do question his hockey IQ, though. CHI should be a good fit for him.

I was really rooting for the Leafs to draft him in his draft year cause he has skill to success but this post has answered why that isn't happening. Would still love to see him do well for himself.

 

[BinCookin]

There is maybe a 1/6 chance you get a player who can actually play in the NHL with a third round pick. The Hawks window is right now before their core gets too old. Even if third round pick was an NHL player he wouldn't contribute until the core is too old most likely (5 years from now, considering he isn't even drafted yet). The chances of Jurco who is probably a bust contributing is higher than the chances of a third round pick after this season contributing to the Hawks current window so the low-risk low-reward gamble is worth it for the Hawks here imo.

Basically this is the main point.

Jurco may have struggled for NHL success (since we used him as a 4th line hitter vs the skilled player he is) but he is a star in the AHL.

He is better than an AHL player. If one thus says hes a lower end NHL player, trading 3rds for that player is a better chance of success than the draft pick alone.

 

[obey86]

He'll do well in Chicago.

 

[SenzZen]

Yeah seems like a good deal for Jurco and the Hawks.

Detroit too, I suppose.

 

[Stats01]

With every trade that goes down TSN and Sportsnet must be cringing They are going to have nothing to talk about lol. This is a great move for Chicago though, adds to their depth.

 

[TheMule93]

I was always a believer in Jurco. Hopefully he finds success in a new environment.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

At face value it looks like a bad(or meh) deal for Chicago. But I feel like Jurco is going to have a great run for the rest of the season (not by any logic, just a feeling) and us Detroit fans will argue about whether we traded Jurco for the right value.

 

[Petes2424]

At face value it looks like a bad(or meh) deal for Chicago. But I feel like Jurco is going to have a great run for the rest of the season (not by any logic, just a feeling) and us Detroit fans will argue about whether we traded Jurco for the right value.

He has all the tools to be a successful NHL player. His confidence has been in the toilet for awhile now and he needed a change.

 

[Sharppi]

I have no strong feelings about this trade.

 

[Spectra]

Again, a 3rd round pick has minimal value for a Stanley Cup contender. So even if he bombs spectacularly, that 3rd round pick will not affect the Hawks short term or long term success.

For a rebuilding team however, that picks holds some value. They can for example trade up with it into the second round if someone that they like falls in the draft.

This is a win-win trade, like all trades and life in general should be like.

 

[Dotter]

At face value it looks like a bad(or meh) deal for Chicago. But I feel like Jurco is going to have a great run for the rest of the season (not by any logic, just a feeling) and us Detroit fans will argue about whether we traded Jurco for the right value.

That's exactly what's going to happen.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Jurco fills the expansion draft forward requirement for the Hawks. I believe that's a factor here.

Does he? Jurco hasn't played a whole lot of hockey the last two years and there is a game requirement that he has to be pretty borderline on getting to.

 

[Spectra]

Does he? Jurco hasn't played a whole lot of hockey the last two years and there is a game requirement that he has to be pretty borderline on getting to.

10 more games and he's eligable, huge for the Hawks.

 

[Birko19]

At face value it looks like a bad(or meh) deal for Chicago. But I feel like Jurco is going to have a great run for the rest of the season (not by any logic, just a feeling) and us Detroit fans will argue about whether we traded Jurco for the right value.

This is a weird trade because at the end of the day, no matter who wins in the end, the other side does not exactly lose. Chicago gave away a 3rd which will likely be after the 80th overall pick, in a weak draft like this, even if the Wings draft the next superstar the pick is so low that it's not like Chicago would have made the same exact choice. On the other side if Jurco turns into a star, us Detroit fans can always take the comfort in the fact that he had way too many chances and it never worked out for him in Detroit.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

10 more games and he's eligable, huge for the Hawks.

Hopefully his back holds up then, he hasn't had much luck on the injury front for a while now.

I wish Jurco all the best. This was a good move for Holland though. Hopefully Jurco figures it out in Chicago.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Maybe Q brings out some creativity

 

[tarheelhockey]

Again, a 3rd round pick has minimal value for a Stanley Cup contender. So even if he bombs spectacularly, that 3rd round pick will not affect the Hawks short term or long term success.

That seems a bit short sighted. Granted the Hawks are trying to win in the short term, but that doesn't mean drafting isn't important to their long term success. If Jurco bombs, they're not just losing the player they could have drafted, but also wasting a resource that they could have used more effectively in a different trade.

 

[topnotch]

That seems a bit short sighted. Granted the Hawks are trying to win in the short term, but that doesn't mean drafting isn't important to their long term success. If Jurco bombs, they're not just losing the player they could have drafted, but also wasting a resource that they could have used more effectively in a different trade.

The probability of a 3rd round pick in the 2017 draft helping this core win a Cup is practically zero. Even if that player is successful it will be when Toes and Kane are 32+, and Keith is 37+. The hawks window will likely be closed by then.

Yes they could have used that pick to trade for another player but that player could bomb. A 3rd round pick is not going to return a sure thing.

It is a low risk, moderate reward trade. If Jurco works out he'll be a depth nhler. If he doesn't, the Hawks haven't given up anything significant.

 

[Marky9er]

For a rebuilding team however, that picks holds some value. They can for example trade up with it into the second round if someone that they like falls in the draft.

They also have the leafs 3rd for babcock, and despite not having their own 3rd this is a definite possibility. They are known for trading down, but they probably add more picks for Smith and Vanek so they'll have the currency to do it.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

That seems a bit short sighted. Granted the Hawks are trying to win in the short term, but that doesn't mean drafting isn't important to their long term success. If Jurco bombs, they're not just losing the player they could have drafted, but also wasting a resource that they could have used more effectively in a different trade.

In a normal draft year there are a few players who are "no doubters" ready to step right in to the NHL. Then the next tier is another 10-15 players who almost for sure have NHL talent but may need another year or two to hit their stride in the NHL. Then there is another tier of players who probably make the NHL but they are getting closer to 50-50 in probability of being more than a marginal player in the NHL. In a normal draft year maybe that third tier gets 10-15 players into the 2nd round. In a great year maybe that 3rd tier gets well into the 2nd round. After that it is a crap shoot with a few diamonds in the rough scattered anywhere in the 3rd-7th rounds.

2017 is supposed to be a terrible draft year. The top 3 tiers are probably all in the 1st round, meaning the crap shoot starts in earlier rounds than normal. In other words the 3rd round pick the Hawks traded to Detroit has only a marginally better probability of finding one of those diamonds in the rough as a 4th round or 5th round pick.

 

[Esq]

In a normal draft year there are a few players who are "no doubters" ready to step right in to the NHL. Then the next tier is another 10-15 players who almost for sure have NHL talent but may need another year or two to hit their stride in the NHL. Then there is another tier of players who probably make the NHL but they are getting closer to 50-50 in probability of being more than a marginal player in the NHL. In a normal draft year maybe that third tier gets 10-15 players into the 2nd round. In a great year maybe that 3rd tier gets well into the 2nd round. After that it is a crap shoot with a few diamonds in the rough scattered anywhere in the 3rd-7th rounds.

2017 is supposed to be a terrible draft year. The top 3 tiers are probably all in the 1st round, meaning the crap shoot starts in earlier rounds than normal. In other words the 3rd round pick the Hawks traded to Detroit has only a marginally better probability of finding one of those diamonds in the rough as a 4th round or 5th round pick.

All of this makes perfect sense until it doesn't. Strong players are found every year in mid/late rounds. You can find one if you haven't any picks.

That being said, I am still OK with the value on this trade.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

All of this makes perfect sense until it doesn't. Strong players are found every year in mid/late rounds. You can find one if you haven't any picks.

That being said, I am still OK with the value on this trade.

Hawks still have plenty of picks - 9 in total.

They have their own picks in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th
They have the Canes 5th, the Blues 5th, the Islanders 6th and the Ducks 7th.

 

[sketch22]

All of this makes perfect sense until it doesn't. Strong players are found every year in mid/late rounds. You can find one if you haven't any picks.

That being said, I am still OK with the value on this trade.

The Hawks still have 8 picks in the draft.

 

[Tasteslikekevinbacon]

The potential for jurco to flourish is still there. I'd love to hear them say for him to just go out and play the game to him. I feel like he will also be motivated to play with hossa.

Good luck to the guy! Sincerely hope this works out for Chicago and jurco

 

[DrJustice]

With all due respect to Chicago, this seems like a risky move. Yes they have a need, their forward depth is not very impressive. But is Jurco really the guy you want to pencil onto your third line for a deep playoff run? He has never really proven to be anything more than a role player on a decent Detroit team.

You also have to be cautious about counting on the success of guys like Panik and Schmaltz, neither of which have had much meaningful playoff experience. If I was Chicago, I would have tried to be more aggressive on a guy like Vrbata who you know is going to walk at the end of the year, but I’d have more faith in him in the playoffs than a guy like Jurco. Even a guy like Iginla could be considered. Jurco is also a RFA at the end of the year, so if he doesn’t work out is Chicago gonna still extend him?

Also, the timing of this move is really strange. If a 3rd for Jurco is all you can really get, yeah sure take a risk and do it. But the trading deadline isn’t until Thursday...why not hold onto the pick and see if you can throw it in as part of a better trade?

Take it from a Bruins fan, Sweeny traded a 3rd for freaking Rinaldo. Chicago is trying to win a Cup, and if they want to do that then I hope they have a couple more moves up their sleeve.