Confirmed Signing with Link: [CGY] F Jonathan Huberdeau signs extension with Flames (8 years, $10.5M AAV)

[The Nuge]

The extension was the part of the trade, you can't separate them for each other. Zito would have keep Huberdeau if he was not asking ridiculous contract, it was well known fact at the time.

No it wasn’t. It was done after. I believe the other posters point was that Calgary could have gotten an absolutely massive return for them without the extensions because they’d cost a contender less than 2.25 million combined after retention

 

[Kranix]

That demand was the very reason he was traded, we told you, you didn't believe, Calgary. was screwed with this trade and you have not even yet seen 'Weegar post season show'



The extension was the part of the trade, you can't separate them for each other. Zito would have keep Huberdeau if he was not asking ridiculous contract, it was well known fact at the time.

Huberdeau extension was not part of the trade. Tkachuk was a sign and trade to Florida though.

 

[TGOSnipes99]

Yea Sutter seems like the kind of coach that estinguish offense literally. Huberdeau seems like the kind player that wants more freedom on offense, not be bogged down in too much structure. If I'm the Flames, that 10.5 million is more important than Sutter.



I would do that if you keep some of the $$$.

Then how did so many Flames have career years last year ( a bunch are this year too or close)?

How did JG, Lindholm, Tkachuk all pop off if Sutters system stifles offense? That was the best line in hockey.

Or they just had absolutely insane chemistry (which is also part of it)

 

[Justicebork]

Arizona will need some help getting over the cap min in a couple of years when the Ladd and Little deals expire, so they might take on his contract with assurances that his play won't improve.

 

[MM917]

Then how did so many Flames have career years last year ( a bunch are this year too or close)?

How did JG, Lindholm, Tkachuk all pop off if Sutters system stifles offense? That was the best line in hockey.

Or they just had absolutely insane chemistry (which is also part of it)

it is an easy (and lazy) trope to say that Sutter kills players offense because he is an "old school" coach and a "farmer."

Plenty of guys have had great offensive seasons under him. Plenty of players have had bad years under supposedly top offensive coaches. The reality is that mediocre players, like what most of the Flames are, have up and down seasons so it isn't surprising that guys like Kadri who had an insane offensive year last year isn't repeating it, Mangiapane isn't replicating his insane start of last season and Hubredeau is not matching by far the biggest output of his career.

 

[behemolari]

Huberdeau extension was not part of the trade. Tkachuk was a sign and trade to Florida though.

Of course it was, you're naive to think to was not

When Zito didn't engage in contract extension talks then it's quite clear that Huby wasn't part of his plans. So no need for stating fiction as facts.

That goal last night was very Huby-esque goal: no skill and poor judgement on his part as his first instinct in every situation is to make a pass even when he's right in front the net and no one is open to receive a pass.

And why do you think that happened exactly

 

[BananaSquad]

See what happens once Sutter is gone.

 

[Kimota]

Then how did so many Flames have career years last year ( a bunch are this year too or close)?

How did JG, Lindholm, Tkachuk all pop off if Sutters system stifles offense? That was the best line in hockey.

Or they just had absolutely insane chemistry (which is also part of it)

Because some thrives under that system. Like others don't.

 

[Connor McConnor]

See what happens once Sutter is gone.

Instead of fighting for a WC spot that roster is downright bad and will be for a while. Sutter makes them somewhat competitive.

 

[TGOSnipes99]

Because some thrives under that system. Like others don't.

What is the Flames system in a sentence or two?

 

[GrumpyKoala]

What is the Flames system in a sentence or two?

Accountability, grit, effort, and the minimal amount of smile

belive me, there worst than that

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

What is the Flames system in a sentence or two?

throw everything but the kitchen sink at the goalie and pray one goes in

 

[HighLifeMan]

Then how did so many Flames have career years last year ( a bunch are this year too or close)?

How did JG, Lindholm, Tkachuk all pop off if Sutters system stifles offense? That was the best line in hockey.

Or they just had absolutely insane chemistry (which is also part of it)

Gaudreau had 4 points in 14 or 15 games under Sutter prior to the big three being put together, and no, it was not due to an "adjustment period" either. That lines success came solely due to three elite players finding immediate chemistry together while quite frankly scoring at rates that were unsustainable.

With the exception of the top line last season Darryl has not coached a player who has produced at over a point a game average in over two decades, and he had Jarome Iginla and Anze Kopitar during their prime years. He absolutely stifles the creativity and production of his top end talent.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Deal him at the draft with 50% retention.

 

[TGOSnipes99]

Gaudreau had 4 points in 14 or 15 games under Sutter prior to the big three being put together, and no, it was not due to an "adjustment period" either. That lines success came solely due to three elite players finding immediate chemistry together while quite frankly scoring at rates that were unsustainable.

With the exception of the top line last season Darryl has not coached a player who has produced at over a point a game average in over two decades, and he had Jarome Iginla and Anze Kopitar during their prime years. He absolutely stifles the creativity and production of his top end talent.

So what is the system they play

What does he deploy that stifles creativity
Does he tell guys not to be creative
JG and Tkachuk were creative as hell last year

 

[Intermission]

Because some thrives under that system. Like others don't.

Huberdeaun't.

 

[tarheelhockey]

throw everything but the kitchen sink at the goalie and pray one goes in

It's honestly quite remarkable that they went from Bill Peters to Darryl Sutter, two coaches who Corsi harder than just about anyone else.

 

[HighLifeMan]

So what is the system they play

What does he deploy that stifles creativity
Does he tell guys not to be creative
JG and Tkachuk were creative as hell last year

It's a system that heavily prioritizes shot volume over shot quality, and simplicity/predictability over creativity. He's a coach that is risk averse and loves his "puck management".

Jarome Iginla saw a 30 point drop in production under Darryl directly after winning the Art Ross and Rocket, and remained a 70 point player until Darryl's departure. The season's following he scored 94, and 98, and 89 points respectively. Anze Kopitar saw a 40 point increase the season following Darryl's departure, and produced 92 points. Jonathan Huberdeau has gone from a 1.44 pts/g season to a 0.69 pts/g season. Elite talent has historically struggled under Darryl atleast from a statistical point of view. Now you can argue if what he demands from these players leads to more team success overall, but recent history suggests it doesn't. This is looking like the 4th time in his last 6 years as a head coach that he will miss the playoffs. This isn't a 3-2 league anymore, and the things that made his teams so successful over a decade ago seemingly no longer work. The game is simply far to reliant on skill these days, and he has shown little to no adaptability.

I do however think he was smart enough last year to simply let those guys go out and do their thing, but I don't think a whole lot goes into a decision like that. They were about as dominant of a trio as you could find in recent memory. He doesn't have the luxury to rely on them anymore, and it shows.

 

[VainGretzky]

Sutter is not the coach for the offensive resurgent in the NHL he is too old school for Today's NHL

 

[Dread Clawz]

That demand was the very reason he was traded, we told you, you didn't believe, Calgary. was screwed with this trade and you have not even yet seen 'Weegar post season show'

I know, I'm a Panthers fan not Flames fan.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

And why do you think that happened exactly

Probably because Pagnotta told that. If you don't believe him then that's your problem.

 

[Mogo]

That demand was the very reason he was traded, we told you, you didn't believe, Calgary. was screwed with this trade and you have not even yet seen 'Weegar post season show'



The extension was the part of the trade, you can't separate them for each other. Zito would have keep Huberdeau if he was not asking ridiculous contract, it was well known fact at the time.

Tkachuk extension was part of the deal. Huberdeau was never offered a contract by Panthers

 

[Mogo]

Accountability, grit, effort, and the minimal amount of smile
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belive me, there worst than that

@batting1k had to loan it

 

[BB88]

Sutter is not the coach for the offensive resurgent in the NHL he is too old school for Today's NHL

Didn’t all of Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Lindholm just have career years?

 

[crashthenet]

Sutter is not the coach for the offensive resurgent in the NHL he is too old school for Today's NHL

As an Islander fan I know what a terrible powerplay looks like and it seems so do Flames fans this year. Huberdeau is on pace for an extremely unproductive PP year. Like 18 points compared to his numbers last year. I get the Sutter piece but what the deal with the PP?